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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 11:11 AM
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very thought provocing ..Food Production And Human Population Growth
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 04:16 PM by Skinner
We weren't the only people in ancient times to recognize the benefits of growing all our food. Among the notable adopters of this meme <"growing all your food is the best way to live"> in the New World were the Maya, the Olmec, the people of Teotihuacán, the Hohokam, the Anasazi, the Aztecs, and the Inca.

and where are they now?

http://www.ishmael.com/Education/Writings/kentstate.shtml


I'm talking about the food race—the race to produce enough food to feed our growing population.

There are people in the world—calm, intelligent, reasoning people—who believe that we've already gone over the limit, that even our present population of six billion can't be fed sustainably on this planet. I have no evidence that they're right—and I certainly hope they're wrong. But the six billion is not nearly as alarming as the twelve billion that we will be in your lifetime if we go on growing at this rate.

Now—of course!—there are two handles to this thing. I recently read an Associated Press story that reported that food scientists are confident that they can WIN the food race. By the time there are twelve billion of us, they'll be able to FEED twelve billion. That constitutes a win. SO: Not to worry, folks. The scientists are confident that food will ultimately triumph over population. That's one handle.

The other handle is the one the Union of Concerned Scientists has grabbed. In their "Warning to Humanity," they say: "We must stabilize population," which is of course unarguable. But then they go on to say, "This will be possible only if all nations recognize that it requires improved social and economic conditions, and the adoption of effective, voluntary family planning." I'm afraid that grabbing this handle is an act of faith that has virtually nothing to do with science, but it's easy to do, because it means that, really, nobody has to do anything but pray that someday, through some magical, unknown process all nations of the world will improve social and economic conditions and adopt effective, voluntary family planning.

It has been my misfortune to saddle myself with the really thankless task of bringing into view the third handle on this issue. This is a simple and well-known biological fact—well known at least to biologists and ecologists—that a food race like the one I've just described can no more be won than the arms race could be won—and for the same reason. Because neither race has a finish line—except catastrophe. You can't win an arms race with your enemy, because every advance you make in your weaponry will be answered by an advance in your enemy's weaponry, which of course must be answered by an advance in YOUR weaponry, which stimulates an advance in THEIR weaponry, and so on in a never-ending escalation

(just like the arms race)
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EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

much much more...

this is a very thought provocing site please explore all the links and read...enjoy
http://www.ishmael.com/welcome.cfm


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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 11:47 AM
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1. aww come on ...at least one person should read this
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:04 PM
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4. quite fascinating
I've read a great deal on this subject and haven't yet found anything quite so imaginatively portrayed.

Maybe a lot of people are reading on a phone cnx, like I am today. It's a pain in the neck to post but since we don't have a "views" column I thought I'd chime in with that.

Cher
(sadly away from her NJ broadband cnx)
(for a whole week)
(will she survive?)
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:12 PM
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8. Interesting...
... but there are other variables at work, like how long some of us are able to stick around thanks to the quality of medical care available (to mention only one factor at work.)

My boss has a video you might want to get hold of called "The People Bomb." It was a CBS special and it examines the impact of our population on the earth's limited resources. Good film, but very scary!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:33 PM
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9. LeahMira ...thanks for the film info..yes i want to get a hold of it
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:01 PM
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2. We are going to run out of
water too :-)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:04 PM
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3. malthus was right. Technology has delayed him
But in the end, Natural Law is going to trump all our tiny thrashings as a species.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:45 PM
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11. Malthus was wrong
The biggest problem facing the world in the future will be declining populations, not rising ones.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:05 PM
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5. What an interesting resource
It looks like it will take me awhile to look it over. Thanks for the link!
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:09 PM
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6. Thanks! In February my year's study
in International Development starts - I'll keep this for reference!

:kick:
DemEx
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L.A.dweller Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:16 PM
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7. In an 3rd world Anthropology class i took
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 12:25 PM by L.A.dweller
we learned that there is actually an over production of food but the government does not "release" all of it because it the food has to have some value. I don't know if that is thouroughly correct.

E.U. accord to check food overproduction

By Batuk Gathani


"For some time, the European food industry, under the banner of `CIAA', has been calling for major structural reforms to make the industry more competitive. After 16 hours of intense negotiations, in the early hours, the European Agricultural Ministers and officials said they had agreed on a new CAP system that would reduce the overproduction of food in the E.U. countries, which has triggered much uncertainty in the world food markets. E.U. farmers are recipients of Euro 103,937 millions in direct subsidies, compared to Euro 54,715 millions received by U.S. farmers and Euro 52,750 million by Japanese farmers."
more - http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/2003/06/29/stories/2003062900771500.htm

On edit: The professor asked us if we believed that food should be released since there is an overproduction and millions of people starving. Students (the business majors) actually responded no.


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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:39 PM
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10. This is just wrong
Edited on Tue Nov-04-03 03:02 PM by Nederland
The analogy this guy uses is simply wrong. Human beings do not act like cattle, they act like human beings. He claims that in the history of the world people have never chosen to voluntarily restrict the number of children they have and that humans will always increase their population to whatever food production allows.

I'm not sure what planet this guy lives on but I'm certain its not the same one I'm on. Perhaps he is unaware that the population of Europe is declining, and its not because their food production is declining. The population in the US would be declining if it weren't for immigration. Why are people in the US having fewer children? Its certainly not for lack of food. Don't even start to talk about Japan. Their biggest problem is that they didn't have enough children to support their pension plans.

In sum, this guy is just off. Way off. He believes the same misguided theories that led Paul Ehrlich to predict that England would cease to exist by 2000. Anybody seen England lately? Its actually quite nice.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:50 PM
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12. The reason population growth will stop or reduce
in developed countries is because having children is uneconomical.

In undeveloped countries children are profitable, they add to the family income.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 02:51 PM
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13. Bingo
Which is an excellent example of how people are different from cattle.
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