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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:22 PM Original message |
DLC/New Dems/Third Way vs. Dean discussion |
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caledesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. Dean will be the nominee. It's the $ and a brilliant campaign. |
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StephNW4Clark (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. My "problem" with this argument is... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Well, I see your point, but... |
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StephNW4Clark (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Well, actually |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. In response... |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Wow, perfect example of how Dean will lose |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Actually |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. And Dean will be different how? |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. I can see we are on the same ground here |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. He raised a bunch of money from middle class white liberals |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 03:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
91. Well you've accurately summed up |
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Ardee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-03 09:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
100. For both StephN and Knowledge |
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southpaw72 (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. higher median per capita income ? |
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Skwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-03 09:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
101. Being the govenor of Vermont is equivalent to being the |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. You just described why I support Dean for President |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Thanks for putting it so well |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 04:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
92. Honest question |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 04:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
93. Calling it a marketing plan |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 04:12 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. it is a marketing plan... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. Dean is the most DLC candidate out there |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. In terms of how he runs his campaign... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Dean Is RESPONSIBLE For Helping The DLC Pull Right |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I disagree |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Gosh that is funny |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. You're a bit off... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. BS, it was a political decision |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. BS? Bwahahahahahahaha |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-03 10:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
102. That's only partially true |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-03 10:36 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Well, here's a tip for you... |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:10 PM Original message |
It's also a political decision for the DLC |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 06:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
79. This is what I remember.... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Can You Prove That Clark Was Put Up By The DLC? |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. First of all |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You invented those memos in your mind... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Fine, here is your precious proof |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Precious proof? |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. DID YOU EVEN READ THE LINKS YOU DEMANDED FROM ME? |
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artr2 (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Don't even bother argueing with wyldwolf |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Show me an an example.. |
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bushclipper (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. On the contrary... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:13 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. thanks, but i guess i learned that lesson the hard way |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Yes |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. This discussion is over |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Deleted message |
Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 03:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
88. They are anti-liberal, and |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Where are these weekly memos slamming Dean? |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. You tell us how he is. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-03 09:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
99. so that's why the DLC keeps bashing Dean? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. Dean governed as DLC his entire career and helped pull Dems to the right. |
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janekat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. He's "tops" with the NRA too.... |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Yawn |
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boxster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 05:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
74. Do not underestimate the importance of that fact. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. My problem with this argument is... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I disagree |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You have to prove these points... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Why do I have to prove mine but you don't have to prove yours? |
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StephNW4Clark (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Flawed Assumption |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. So tell me how the dems will win without liberals? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You have a misconception of what a liberal is... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. Clinton is center-right |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Again, a charge with no proof... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Oh really? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 02:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. yes really... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. You made the charges first... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Because THAT'S the game Dean decided to play early this year. |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You may have a point |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. And it worked: Kucinich never got a chance |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-03 02:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
104. Great point. In fact, Dean is right in the center with Lieberman. |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 03:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
87. I'm not too fond of the DLC |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. " We can hash out the nitty gritty once Bush is history." |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. OK, we'll run with your point... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Conservatives are turning on Bush because he isn't conservative |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Conservatives are turning on Bush because he isn't conservative enough... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Please see post #43 |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 02:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
85. When I have egg on my face, I'll let you know... |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 05:28 AM Response to Reply #23 |
76. "let the market decide" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 03:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
90. Everyone can vote... |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-03 04:12 AM Response to Reply #90 |
97. "a reference to letting people decide when they go to the polls" |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 07:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
80. Well listen to one of your "Extra Liberal" friend |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. "he is not, at this point, sold out or beholden to the corporations" |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Dean and business interests... |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. Clark's Business Interests |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yeah, but no one has ever denied Clark has business interests... Deanies.. |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I Love it Wild |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I love it, too... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Deleted message |
HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. I'm rolling now |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 02:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. yeah, you're rolling backwards... |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 02:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. That is quite a bleak view of Dean |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Think again. Energy donors SEEDED Dean's campaign. |
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knowledgeispower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. Do you know anything about Green Mountain Power? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Read on about DEREGULATING electricity |
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Mairead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 05:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
75. I agree--it's damned bleak! |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
28. Dean IS, and has ALWAYS BEEN, a Third Way, DLC Democrat |
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JaneQPublic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
56. At least four of the candidates are card-carrying DLC members |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-31-03 04:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. DLC lists CURRENT officeholders. Dean left office Jan. 2003. |
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SahaleArm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 06:39 AM Response to Reply #60 |
77. To Dean supporters... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 02:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Yeah, but most of the the MOVEMENT doesn't have a DLC/Libertarian agenda |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
78. Yo Clark Corps |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 07:17 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No, not really, |
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mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
82. Hey K.I.P., looks like your attempt at civil debate |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
89. Take the path less traveled. |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
95. Defintely a new path |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-01-03 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
96. The problem with the DLC... |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-02-03 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
98. The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present... |
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