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jefff Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:51 AM
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Studs Terkel: Joe Lieberman should be Bush's Running Mate
From a kickass interview in a small Chicago publication, "The Onion A.V. Club". The full quote was:

"If I were Bush's brain"—that's Karl Rove, his Rasputin—"I would draft Joe Lieberman to be the running mate for George Bush."

Studs has a new book comming out about activism and activists. It sounds like the big feature is a comparison between Bush, Schwarzenegger, and Kucinich. Here's the link:

http://www.theonionavclub.com/3941/feature1.html

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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:53 AM
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1. Would Lieberman desert?
It's an interesting question.
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:57 AM
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4. Can we force him to leave?
better yet
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:58 AM
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5. Would a pig feed at the trough?
Would a rudderless ship go the direction the wind blows? Would a whore spread her legs for money?

I like the last, I'll leave it there.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:11 PM
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9. I thought that he had already.

n/t
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:32 PM
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12. He already has!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:56 AM
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2. What a beatable ticket that would be!
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mmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:56 AM
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3. He's a Kucinich man.
Excellent.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:01 PM
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6. critical excerpt
But they've never heard of a guy named Dennis Kucinich. You know who Dennis Kucinich is, don't you? He's the least known of the nine candidates for the presidential Democratic ticket. He's the one you don't know. He's by far the most qualified guy. Boy mayor of Cleveland. He fought corporate power and he won. He's the chairman of the Progressive Caucus of the Democratic Party. He's the one who first told Bush "Go to hell!" when it came to the pre-emptive strike. He said "No!" The first one to do it. He's the one who said "No!" when it came to sanctions, hurting, killing kids, you don't hurt the brute Saddam at all. He's the one who said "No!" to tax cuts that would just benefit a few. But people don't know who he is. He's never mentioned in the news—just a throwaway phrase, "The ninth candidate." And he's the closest thing there is to the answer. People looking for a guy with guts, with principles, here he is. And one in a thousand Americans knows his name. You've heard of Al Sharpton, you've heard of a million of those other guys, you've heard of that clown Joe Lieberman, who would be a perfect running mate for George W. Bush. Because we misuse our language. We speak of "winnability," meaning, of course, being more moderate, which means, of course, being more centrist, which means, of course, going closer and closer and closer to the right. That's what it means. We pervert our language, as well. I want him to be known, so he can make a speech at the Democratic convention, so he can get a little clout. In any event, I don't mean to talk so much about him. I was talking about the American people. So they don't... We know who runs the media, let's face it. Fox is owned by the Australian Neanderthal, Rupert Murdoch. You know the people on it. These are powerful people, and Americans hear that day after day. And there's a muscle-headed muscleman named Schwarzenegger, and most of the white women voted for him, despite what his record seems to have been. Doesn't matter: known. You've got Oprah Winfrey, the Teflon girl. She had him on for a whole hour. Did she have any opponent on? Most astonishing thing in the world. No one has ever challenged her. She says, "We didn't talk about politics." But if it's not political advertising, what the hell is? And no one ever thinks of saying, "Hey, why aren't others on?" She's got millions of women listeners, doesn't she? And it's white women who voted tremendously for this clown. So I use him as a grotesque case in point. Contrast him with Dennis Kucinich, who nobody knows. So we got a lopsided... The assault going on is an assault on our intelligence, an assault on our decency.

Ladies and gentlemen...if old Studs Terkel says the only choice is Dennis, who am I to argue :shrug:
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jefff Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 03:59 PM
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14. Studs has a Point
Yes, this was the core of the interview for me. I've been wishy-washy about Kucinich. I've been favoring Dean because I think he has a better chance. But Stud's digression on the fallacy of "winnability" changed my mind. Kucinich is, by any good definition, a heroic leader.

So what if he scares the comfortable middle-class? So what if he won't get a lot of corporate contributions? And so what if the centrist DLC despises him? As Studs said at the begining of this interview:

"If the Democratic Party can't beat this guy, the Democratic Party should dissolve. It's in the hands of something called the Democratic Leadership Council, ever hear of them? They run it, and they ought to be tossed out on their asses immediately."

What more can you say?

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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 04:02 PM
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15. If you want to give Studs all due deference and recognition...
it's hard to say anything else. I think he's well versed on the history of politics in the last 70-80 years...I can respect what he says.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:01 PM
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7. I love Studs Terkel
I still get out his old book "Working" when I need a good kick in the pants.

Lieberman is such a schmuck.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:07 PM
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8. Lieberman has floated John McCain as his Sec. of State
Today, on a morning show, he was asked about McCain as his running mate. He waffled, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think he'd choose McCain. If by some chance Lieberman were the nominee, we'd be asked to vote for one of either Republican set of candidates.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:16 PM
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10. That's absurd, and I'll tell you why.
There are two major, major aspects to Bush's agenda: War and tax cuts. Lieberman has, to be sure, supported the former with all his enthusiasm. However, he has been an outspoken critic of the tax cuts, and there's no way that puts him in line with the neocons in this administration.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:18 PM
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11. well....
That'll be one way to ensure that the Bush ticket doesn't get any Democratic votes. Run Joe Run!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:45 PM
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13.  GOP Bush*/Lieberman in 04 ticket
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