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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 08:26 AM
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Now that Gephardt's ahead in Iowa, Fox News
keeps speaking of Dean's lead in New Hampshire and now shows Dean's ad free every hour in the form of news from the embedd.

Dean is the only Dem canditate who gets his ad shown free on Fox.

Why?
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 08:31 AM
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1. I have noticed the same type of thing
On the AP yahoo presidential elections page.

There was a poll last week that showed Dean's lead at 6 points in NH, then a short time later the story was changed to a different poll and the headline was changed as well to, "Dean leads by 14 in NH poll"

It was very odd.

Also, in general the coverage is Dean centric and by and large positive on this yahoo presidential elections page.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 08:52 AM
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2. The polls I have read
show it a statistical dead heat. Gep 27% Dean 26%.

That being aside, the Dean camp is apparently good at giving the press the bits they need to keep him on the front page. It is called campaigning.

The press goes where ever the sensational news bit is found easiest. Even Fox has the "lazy" bias.
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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:01 AM
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3. Dean camp certainly seems to
have an inside track on Fox.

The media can create sensational news, and they can obviously make a candidate look like a winner if it suits an agenda.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:10 AM
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4. They've fallen into a trap.
They believe that helping Dean will in turn help *.
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Philosophy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:29 AM
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5. Because Rovesputin told them that Dean was who they wanted
They always obey the Mad Wonk.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:30 AM
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6. Dean is Interesting
He helps sell newspapers and attract viewers.

There's also the political calculus. If Gephardt wins Iowa, what happens next for him? Your second and third wins are the most important.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:39 AM
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7. Rove thinks * can beat Dean easily
So the GOP propaganda machine is pushing Dean. Similar to the GOP paying for Nader's campaign ads last time around.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:56 AM
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11. Baloney
Just saw Brit Hume trying to prop up Gep as "express train" to take out Dean. Didn't we just have an article from WaPo pushing the Gep is the one we fear meme?
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:42 AM
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16. Why are the propping up Gep?
Because they want people to perceive him (not Clark) as the one who can stop Dean. They are trying to improve Gep's support in the South because they don't want it to come down to a Dean/Clark race.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:57 AM
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28. True. And do it gladly because Dean trashes Democrats.
For the corporate media, what's not to love about a Democrat that trashes the other Dems as much as they do?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:40 AM
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8. When The Networks Were Doing This For Arnold
It seemed pretty clear who they were rooting for in CA
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:43 AM
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9. Maybe...
Edited on Sun Oct-26-03 09:44 AM by Padraig18
... because they find him more interesting than the other top-tier candidates? I always consider the most obvious answer first, before I look for less-obvious ones... :shrug:
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 09:46 AM
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10. Perhaps. But I don't think Faux has ever reported on
Edited on Sun Oct-26-03 09:47 AM by lefty_mcduff
*ANY* political news without an ulterior motive. Especially when it comes to the spin applied to Democrats. Sorry.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:44 AM
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17. Less obvious?
No it's just the reason that Dean follower refust to see because this race is all about Dean not taking back our country.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:04 AM
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12. They're pushing Dean because
Dean can't beat Bush. And all of us Deanies are too dumb to realize we're being played. If we were smart we would abandon Dean and get behind Kerry or Clark, because they are real soldiers and Bush isn't. And of course we all know how much the American people care about military service. That's why they elected Clinton twice.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:28 AM
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14. Empirical evidence, please.
Edited on Sun Oct-26-03 10:32 AM by poskonig
The numbers I've seen show Dean doing as well or better than Kerry, Clark etc. head to head against Bush.

Dean is the frontrunner and is generating all of the news; Clark is polling at a pathetic 6% in NH and clearly isn't a newsworthy story, for instance.

Yes, Fox News sucks, but you guys are reading too much into this, blinded by your hatred of Dean.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:58 AM
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29. Oops. I guess I forgot the sarcasm button.
I could flog myself with a wet noodle, but I think I'll go give some more money to Dean instead.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:45 AM
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18. Even Clinton has stated that he doubts if he could win today
because guess what we are fighting a war on terrorism.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:58 AM
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30. We are?
Seems like to me Bush doesn't know who the terrorists are.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:14 AM
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13. Another example from Yahoo AP
page. On Friday, Gephardt was endorsed by the International Longshoremans' Association, a 60,000 member AFl-CIO union that is well known. It was the 20th major union to back Gephardt.

Yet there was no coverage about it on this presidential elections page.

But an earlier story on Wednesday about Dean getting his very first union endorsement from the International union of Painters which won't be announced until Monday of the next week, was faithfully reported.

It will even be a two-fer, because I am sure a new story will be reported on Monday when the endorsement is actually given.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:38 AM
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15. Mods, please lock
Violation, GD Rule #3

3. If you post an article or other published content which is from a conservative source or which expresses a traditionally conservative viewpoint, you must state your opinion about the piece and/or the issues it raises.

The poster publishes material seen on Faux News and offers no opinion about it.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:47 AM
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20. This is pretty sad. You are trying to restrict debate
and you're running for office.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:47 AM
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21. Put this suggestion on 'Ask the Mods' section
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:52 AM
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23. I sent an alert...
...for each thread this person has started.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:56 AM
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27. Call The Police.....
Hmmmmmmmm

Since the net is international call Interpol....
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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:45 AM
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19. Please
let me know when they either

a) say something positive about Dean, or
b) say something bad about Bush.

They think Dean's add show him "going negative". The coverage I saw said that he was breaking his pledge not go to negative. Fox talks a lot about Dean, but the coverage is never flattering or good.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:51 AM
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22. I haven't seen anything flattering for Dean on Fox News yet
Tonight on Hannity & Colmes, Dean goes on the attack, will it hurt him and this party and help Bush, tonight at 9/8 PM central
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:52 AM
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24. Of course not....
...the poster was just trying to stir up trouble.
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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:50 AM
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31. Next I'll be accused by you of being unpatriotic
because I support Kerry and not Dean.

The repugs are scared of Kerry; do the Math.
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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:24 PM
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34. The repugs are scared of common sense
something both Kerry and Dean have. Now can we actually have some unity? probaly not.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:53 AM
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25. That ad was shown many times on CNN, too.
But, the BFEE has "embeds" at EVERY newschannel.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 10:54 AM
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26. I Wish The Right Wing,
Robert Novak, Kate O'Beirne, Tucker Carlson, Fred Barnes, et all wouldn't choose our f-u-c-k-i-n-g candidate.....

They wish the Dems as much success as Fred Phelps wishs Ru Paul.....
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 11:56 AM
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32. It's what happens when you're a political juggernaut
People take notice eventually.

It's the classic asterisk to juggernaut story.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-03 12:20 PM
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33. Since you say that the "media filter"...
...is scared of Kerry, and Fox is propping up Dean, how about sharing with us all that info being blocked by the filter? Why spend all your time crying in your teacup "Dean, Dean, Dean"?
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