This Man Says Dean Will Lead the Democrats to Disaster

[Composed Thinker]

Friday, October 24, 2003
Posted 11:33 AM by Robert Musil
Goodbye, Senator Kerry

Dean Soars into Huge Lead in New Hampshire Now Leads Kerry 40-17 Among Likely Voters; Clark and Edwards in Distant 3rd --New Zogby Poll <http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=750>... Dean earned 40%, compared to Massachusetts Senator John Kerry’s 17%. None of the other candidates have exceeded single digits in the polling. Retired General Wesley Clark and North Carolina Senator John Edwards are tied for third with 6% each.

And this is after Senator Kerry and other Democratic "contenders" have swung to the left <http://www.opinionjournal.com/politicaldiary/?id=110004203#b2> to meet Dr. Dean's advance.

I suppose that in the aftermath of what seems to be the coming 2004 Democratic election disaster, there will be the usual moves within the Democratic Party for "reforms" in the primary, delegate, fund raising and convention structure to keep this kind of thing from happening again.

Of course, that would be better than the alternative: The even bigger Democratic disaster of a President Dean, followed by calls for even bigger reforms of the Democratic primary, delegate, fund raising and convention structure to keep that kind of thing from happening again.

http://musil.blogspot.com/2003_10_19_musil_archive.html#106702041334769727

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Frankly, this guy, and others like him, strike me as huge assholes. I hope Dean, or any other Democrat for that matter, wins simply to drive the right insane.

[Classical_Liberal]

1. Who cares about Paul Gigot?

?

[otohara]

2. Here, Here

yuck.

[Elidor]

3. All hail the baloney sandwich!

Be it Dean or anyone else (except Lieberman).

[madfloridian]

4. That is baloney.

:hi:

[ShaneGR]

5. More conservative stuff from Composed

Do you even read liberal material?

[Composed Thinker]

7. Yes. I posted some good stuff...

about WMD and Rush from The New Yorker earlier this week.

[papau]

6. Tech Central Station and the anti-Krugman Musil are GOP liars

I wrote Tech Central Station for a while - documenting how they were telling lies - and I wrote Fox, asking why they kept a confessed - in Court - lobbyist for corporations and the GOP - as science column writer that always said Dems are stupid and corporations should be able to F*ck the environment whenever they want to.

No reply.

I wrote Fox about Musil and his lies as he tries to take down Prof Krugman.

no reply.

I suggest his being against Dean is a gold star for Dean.

By the way Tech Central runs off of a fellow with a "general science" undergrad degree, and some course work about the law in grad courses (he is not a lawyer, plus some unlearned stat course work, unlearned or he likes to lie - you choose the description I should use. The site has the finest corporate PR on science around - if you are into BS.

[Composed Thinker]

8. Wow.

[benddem]

9. They said the same thing about Clinton

and look how good it was. Go Howard Dean:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Vis Numar]

10. People need to reazile

It's too late to stop Dean, so stop giving ammunition to the Repugs...

[ShaneGR]

11. Stop bumbing this garbage thread

And it will go away

[jeter]

12. Why would Paul Gigot not want a Democratic disaster?

The one thing we must have learned from the Bush years is that Democrats are easily freightened.

So why would Republicans try to disuade us from an 'electoral disaster'? Paul Gigot is clearly a Republican. The most conservative type of Republican.

So wouldn't he be happy?

I really hate these types of posts. They serve no purpose. When the Republicans start giving Democrats advice on who they should or shouldn't nominate, I begin to wonder.

When Democrats begin to listen. I start to sweat.

I have my own problems with Dean. But they have nothing to do with his 'electability.'

You see the media/GOP are used to pushing around Democrats. They're used to Democrats taking it and degrading themselves. Dean won't accept that. He believes, what he believes. No matter what, I will always give him that. That's why the GOP don't want him to be the nominee. He won't fall into line.

What will happen if Kerry is nominated:

Kerry: President has run a bad economy.

Bush/GOP: No we haven't it was Bill Clinton's fault. This is you being negative. Democrats can only be negative. You are a liberal...blah, blah, blah.

Kerry: Maybe you're right. But I think Democrats and Republicans should do better.

End of election. Bush wins

Lieberman: President has run a bad economy.

Bush/GOP: No we haven't it was Bill Clinton's fault. This is you being negative. Democrats can only be negative. You are a liberal...blah, blah, blah.

Lieberman: Maybe you're right. But I think Democrats and Republicans should do better.

Any other candidate (with the exception of Clark)

Dem: What about the war?

Bush/GOP: What about it? You supported the war didn't you? Playing politics with the lives of US soldiers?

Dem: Maybe you're right. But I think Democrats and Republicans should do better.

Howard Dean: This President has run the economy into the ground. Got us involved in a foreign policy nightmare.

Bush/GOP: You're too liberal. You have no credibility.

Dean: Did you serve in the military Mr. President? What war did you ever fight in?

Dean has the ability to fight back. He also doesn't have one major obsticle that nearly every other candidate has. The Washington wing (Kerry, Lieberman, and Gepthardt) all want to be accepted by the Sally Quinn's of Washington. They want to be accepted at the Georgetown Cocktail parties. That's why they fall in line.

Washington is like High School. With the cool cliques. Dean couldn't care less. He wants to be President of the people.

This is the reason I have always said that my support will go to Wesley Clark or Howard Dean. Clark fits this mold too. That's why these are the two candidates that the GOP fear the most.

Lately, i've been leaning towards Clark. But these types of posts are just stupid.

[MODemocrat]

13. Bush already has this country at the bottom of the barrel

There's no room left at the bottom, so how in the world could Dean be a disaster? Who in the hell cares what "this guy" thinks? It's just wishful thinking on his part.:crazy: :dunce:

[okieinpain]

14. I keep trying to figure out what issues he's liberal on.

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[Pastiche423]

17. All of them!

Just look at his record!

:eyes:

[Arugula Latte]

15. Here's a crazy thought: Let's run someone who has cojones

We need someone who will stand up for himself. Not some wimpy faux Democrat. The American public does not agree with Bush* on most major issues, nor did they agree with Reagan. However, as we've seen, that doesn't really matter. What they respond to is someone who doesn't back down. Dean has the chutzpah. He's got moxie. That's what we need. Not someone who's an apologist for what are really mainstream values, after all.

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[Classical_Liberal]

18. Aren't you the one who claimed Lieberman was consistently against the war

? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=586380&mesg_id=586439&page=

[kertnom]

19. That is a winning strategy

Being consistently for the war. Someone who is anti-war will never win.

[Classical_Liberal]

20. You said he was consistently against the war in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=586380&mesg_id=586439&page=

Since you don't know where he stands on anything, why should we trust your judgement?

[kertnom]

21. Typo

I meant to say he was consistently for the war.

[Classical_Liberal]

22. hmm?

Well opinion is turning against the war, and the trends that are causing this aren't going to get better. Iraq is in bad shape and Valerie Plame won't go away. Furthermore people who like the war already have Bush.

[kertnom]

23. Didn't I read where 59% of Dems want a pro-war candidate

Anyways we will never win with a pro-war candidate.

[Classical_Liberal]

25. I agree we will never win with a prowar candidate.

Kertnom said "Anyways we will never win with a pro-war candidate."

So why do you think antiwar Lieberman has a winning strategy? The only polls that matter to me are the primary caucus winners.There are ways to dick with polls. For myself, I want a captain that sees the iceberg coming.

[Pastiche423]

26. "we will never win with a pro-war candidate."

holy joe is pro-war.

[RetroLounge]

24. Lieberman is our only hope of winning back the White House

BBBBWwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhaahhhhhaahhhahahhah!

Whew! Sorry.

Oh wait, were you serious???