I think Hillary is co-dependent and would not make a good Pres. Candidate.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4482914

Though this is a cross post from The Lounge I have thought about it for some time. I think those possible issues could get in the way if she ran.

[LSK]

1. .

:popcorn:

[LaurenG]

2. ...

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

3. Hey guys! POPCORN! FRESH HOT!

BTW, as mentioned, I am serious about this.

[LSK]

4. ok

:popcorn:

[EFerrari]

5. What, you want me to BURN the pies?!

:rofl:

[LaurenG]

6. Hey I have different reasons

She and all the rest of us are co-dependent. I think she's a puppet. Ok I guess it may get hot in here now. Thanks for the refill on the corn

[Crazy Guggenheim]

7. The biggest problem I have with her is the DLC.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. Okay, I'll bite...

crunch :popcorn:

you got any of that cheese sprinkle stuff?

I wouldn't vote for her anyway... to rightwing corporate for me

on edit: it took me three reads to get it. I thought you meant co-dependant like in a lawsuit! :O

[Crazy Guggenheim]

14. Hecck yeah! I always come prepared; if you know what I mean .......

Without getting too "psychological" there is some appeasement she does, such as the triangulation.

[LaurenG]

12. Yep, she sold out. nt

[Crazy Guggenheim]

8. Again this is not a "professional" opinion. Though my Bachelors is in

Sociology, I can tell she has the tendencies.

[linazelle]

26. Bill Fritz, is that you?

:hi:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

30. No. It is I, C.G.

[PurityOfEssence]

9. Just 'cuz she wrote that book about her husband's sex life?

You remember the one: "It Takes a Village".

[Crazy Guggenheim]

10. LOL.

[mattclearing]

13. Can you at least substantiate your claim a bit?

Just stating it as fact is not going to hold up here. Back it up.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

15. Ok. Why would she stay Bill for so long, if she wasn't trying to "fix" him

[Viva_La_Revolution]

16. Power...

I mean really, how much would she have if she divorced him?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

17. But, *if* she runs for Pres. she won't need Bill - especially afterwards.

But the problem is this, is a co-dependency problem going to interfere with her being a candidate?

[mattclearing]

18. Maybe because she takes their marriage seriously?

Or maybe because she has presidential aspirations and knows divorcing him would be the end of it.

Or maybe because she and Bill have an arrangement regarding their fidelity that they haven't shared with the public.

There are tons of reasons that make more sense than, "She's co-dependent."

If that's the best you've got, you need to take that nonsense to Dr. Phil where it belongs.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

19. Ok let me answer your questions.

"Or maybe because she has presidential aspirations and knows divorcing him would be the end of it."

I think Hillary would know how to pull that off politically.

"Or maybe because she and Bill have an arrangement regarding their fidelity that they haven't shared with the public."

Too many maybes.

"There are tons of reasons that make more sense than, "She's co-dependent."

If you look behind some of these powerful man and women, they have the issues anyone else has.

"If that's the best you've got, you need to take that nonsense to Dr. Phil where it belongs."

Dr. Phil is a Bushie, and IMO, is a quack! I'm talking about some possible real personal issues with her.

[mattclearing]

21. But you haven't backed it up!

What leads you to believe this? You said, "Why is she still with him?"

That is not a logical rationale. Where are the symptoms, the incidences? They barely even live together anymore, how can she be codependent?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

28. I have! The statement about why she's with him I don't think can just be

explained by saying that she's 'power hungry' or the usual logic. They can live separately and she can still be co-dependent.

Give me a few minutes and think of more examples.

[LaurenG]

22. Well in the truest sense of the word you are right CG

Bill was or is an addicted man. She is in a relationship with him that has been co-dependent. So you are correct. However, I think she is part of the problem, not because of her co dependency but because of her allegiance to her handlers at the DLC instead of the people.

[mattclearing]

27. How can they be co-dependent when they barely even live together?

God, armchair psychology has to stop.

[LaurenG]

39. Yes it does....

co-dependency doesn't just go away because you've left your dependent one. Go read up on it. Besides I'm not happy with her for other reasons, this one is not that big of deal to me.

[bridgit]

40. omg Guggenheim, you actually answered a post with something...

other than :popcorn: good for you :thumbsup:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

41. I answer my posts with more than that!! Wanna hear the

Brazilion joke??

:hide: :rofl: :popcorn:

[bridgit]

42. don't you dare you stinker...

:hi:

[pitohui]

50. agree w. tasteblind

the accommodations that other mature adults make abt fidelity or lack thereof are none of my business

the presidency is not an episode of desperate housewives or jerry springer

[TallahasseeGrannie]

25. She loves him. Wouldn't you?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

31. Well not in *that* sense.

:rofl:

[TallahasseeGrannie]

37. LOL

But the man is an amazing human being who has a little problem with the zipper. I think they worked it out a LONG time ago.

[MrSlayer]

20. I think theirs is a marriage of convenience.

And not co-dependency.

Either way I do not think she'd be a good candidate.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

23. no way!

Her true pitfall is a total lack of military experience... How could we ever elect ANYONE with no active duty... That would be crazy! Imagine a non-military person acting as commander-in-chief and getting us in a nasty conflict in the Mid-East... Now I ask you; would even the Republicans be dumb enough to let some inexperienced person run the greatest military machine in history? Still, you gotta admire their ability to create a talking chimp.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

33. LOL. Welcome to DU.

[LunaC]

24. Now that you brought it up

She does have a tendency to try and appease everyone. Hmmmmmm....

[Misunderestimator]

29. FDR was pretty codependent on his wife... he made a great candidate.

I don't see Hillary as codependent at all. I wouldn't want her to run for a variety of other reasons, but codependency? Nah.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

34. True. But that wasn't an issue back then. Besides Eleanor wasn't running

for anything.

[Misunderestimator]

36. I was talking about Franklin being codependent, not Eleanor.

If anything, Eleanor was much LESS codependent than he was.

My point was ... I don't often hear men criticized for being codependent. So why are you criticizing Hillary for it? Especially since she isn't?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

38. Because co-dependency, even until the mid-eighties was usually

assigned to women. BTW, I think she may have some of it. A full blown case is something else though.

[Misunderestimator]

43. And what married men do you think don't have some codependency.

John Kerry and John Edwards both depended on their wives on the campaign trail. Were they not good candidates because of their codependency? If anything, Hillary seems LESS dependent on Bill than most male candidates do on their wives. I rarely saw Bill on the campaign trail with her when she ran for senate (in fact, I voted for her as I was living in NY at that time).

I know you started this as a joke... but it seems you seriously believe that codependency is a problem for her. I just don't get it. :shrug:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

44. I didn't really start this as a joke. It's just been something I have been

actually thinking about. As far as JK and JE, it is expected that the wives be on the campaign trail. And yes that has become more of an issue recently. One note is with Dean. He didn't have his wife, Judy Steinberg, MD, on the campaign trail until just around Iowa. The "press" was asking a lot of questions about that "issue".

But, with Hillary campaigning in N.Y. does not address the issue of co-dependency with her.

[Misunderestimator]

45. Please give me an example of Hillary being codependent then.

I haven't seen one yet.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

46. One is she stays with Bill regardless of the cheating.

[Misunderestimator]

48. As another poster pointed out, there could be a lot of reasons for that.

Makes perfect sense to me that they would remain married to benefit both their careers. I don't see that as codependence.

[bperci108]

32. Perhaps...perhaps not, but...

I would almost like to see her win for the following reasons: :popcorn:

I'd subscribe to Rush Limbaugh's DittoCam just to see the PigMan's head explode like a scanner on his Nov. 3 broadcast and later see Bill O'Reilly disembowel himself with his car keys on "The Factor" in complete and utter rage and despair.

Right-wing seppuko, anyone?

:rofl:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

35. If that happens get photos!

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[amandabeech]

47. Back when Bill Clinton was running in '92,

I discussed some of these issues with my psychologist (Psy.D.). I come from a pretty messed up family going back generations, and I've had difficulty coping with the ramifications all my life.

What got me talking about Bill and Hill was Bill's bio-video, "A Man from Hope." That video and info that came out at the same time regarding Bill's early life really struck a chord with me. I told my therapist about the video, etc., and her eyes became really, really wide. She said that she though that Bill could be ACOA (adult child of an alcoholic) with a bullet, and that without treatment, destructive behavior could manifest itself somewhere in his life. IMHO, it came out in his zipper. She also commented on Hillary's staying with Bill. Her overall conclusion was that both needed help or there would be problems.

I'm just putting it out there for what its worth.

[pitohui]

49. oh for cryin out loud for the little blue plastic jeebus!

bill was a good president & he was a horndog, so why can't the co-dependent of a horndog be a good president, her only crime as co-dependent is not chopping his weinie off when she found out he was cheating on her

did you ever stop to think it's actually good to be a mature adult instead of flying off the handle over perfectly normal human peccadillos?

men are dogs, men cheat if given overwhelming opportunity and temptation, it's called testosterone, to say a woman can't be a leader if her man cheats is to say no woman married to a successful man can be a leader because they all do it

get real

you are crapping on everybody whose mom didn't dump dad in the trashcan when she caught him w. his pants down, in other words, just abt everybody of a certain generation

guess what, you can be a real person & an effective person even if your spouse has sex with somebody else, sometimes it ain't abt you

[LaurenG]

51. I think he was a good president

why are people so upset about co dependency? Unless we all have excellent boundaries we're all somewhat co-dependent. So what. The poster doesn't want to see Hillary run the country and I'm with him on that. I don't want anymore of whoever is not working for the people co dependent or not.

Oh and by the way, we need to try and get men to realize that testosterone is no longer an excuse, use some gd self control for gads sake. So we all get horny but we're not all unfaithful. geez.

edit: missing word