Pastor's wife says she chose to leave plane

[no_to_war_economy]

Victoria Osteen, the wife of Houston Lakewood Church pastor Joel Osteen, said ``I did not act in any way that would cast a bad light on you, my family, Lakewood Church or our Lord Jesus Christ.''

http://cbs11tv.com/texaswire/TX--PastorsWife-Dist-dn/resources_news_html

[shanti]

1. it would be nice to hear

the OTHER side of the story, but the people involved are most likely prohibited from speaking out for fear of losing their jobs.

[meegbear]

2. What a bitch!!

FBI spokeswoman Luz Garcia said Osteen "failed to company with the flight attendant's instructions, and they were asked to leave the plane."

The plane's door had been closed when Victoria Osteen and a flight attendant had a verbal disagreement. A spill on Victoria Osteen's seat was not cleaned to her satisfaction, a church spokesman said.

The Osteens and their two children debarked a flight bound for Vail, Colo., after boarding in Houston on Monday. The flight was delayed for more than an hour while the Osteens' luggage was retrieved, authorities said.

They should have tossed her ass off and told her "tough shit" about your luggage.

[Ilsa]

6. I thought I read that it wasn't the seat, but the tray table.

Claiming it was the seat makes her position slightly more sympathetic, but not for me. They should have shipped their luggage to Vail anyway.

[meegbear]

17. If you can afford a trip to Vail ...

you can afford to send the airline the cleaning bill for the stain on your clothes caused by insufficient cleaning of your chair.

She's a bitch!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

51. A spill of what? Water? or something icky?

Would make a difference to me. Yet they don't tell us.

[yellowcanine]

14. I believe TSA rules require that the luggage be removed. Otherwise

a terrorist could get on a plane, create an incident that got himself thrown off, and the luggage containing a bomb would remain on the plane.

[meegbear]

16. True never thought of that ...

but she's still a bitch!

[yellowcanine]

21. I would concur that her bitch status is not in question. Anyone who is

fortunate enough to be flying first class to go skiing at Vail ought to be gracious enough to demonstrate a little forbearance with the hired help and not expect everything to be purr-fect. A little water on a tray or even a seat is not something to get your knickers all twisted up about. I am sure the attendants would have cleaned it up as soon as possible. It is not as if they didn't have anything else to do to get ready for take off. And she couldn't have used a napkin or paper towel to mop up the liquid in the meantime? Sheesh!

[pitohui]

39. ok got to play devil's advocate here

if it were a black man who had paid for a first class ticket and the flight attendant did not properly clean up the spill, would your answer change?

a customer, who paid either a great deal of money for her ticket or else had an upgrade based on her loyalty to the airline, was disrespected and told to clean up a mess she didn't make

it wouldn't be ok if this happened to a man

it's ok it happened to a woman

why?

[Autobot77]

47. For me it would kinda...

I wouldn't call him a bitch, I would say he's an asshole. That type of behavior is just wrong for ANYONE regardless of race or class.

[The Flaming Red Head]

18. Nurse's get treated like glorified maids, too

so I really feel for those flight attendants who have more important things to tend to than spills, like keeping your ass alive in case of an emergency. She ought to apologize to that flight crew.

[rainbow4321]

35. I keep wanting to make this bumper sticker

FA's could use it too, no doubt:

"Nurses are here to save your ass, not kiss it."

I'm sure it would go over real big in my workplace's parking lot..the HOSPITAL parking lot. :evilgrin:

Maybe I better make it a magnetic bumper sticker that can be removed 3 nights/week....

[pitohui]

42. not to be mean but...

one of my friends spent several hundred thousands dollars on his cancer treatment

he was bankrupted & lost everything

yes, for that kind of money, his ass should have been kissed

it shouldn't be too much to ask when a product is billing you for more than you can earn legally in your entire life that the nurses and doctors treat us like something other than cattle

as for the flight attendant, there is a need for FAs in coach, if she is not capable of dealing with stress or the elite customer, then she should not be in the forward cabin anyway

[Canuckistanian]

3. "cast a bad light" on Jesus??

Since when is this creature the self-appointed representative of Jesus?

I must have missed that in Sunday School.

[C_U_L8R]

7. Jesus Weasel

"Jesus" seems to be the biggest weasel word
and a weak excuse for a whole host of sins
commited by the most pompous disgraceful
pig-fucks to ever grace the planet.

I hope the real "Jesus" is keeping score with a ready
burning asphalt enema for these creepy fundies.

Jeeez !!!!!!!

[rainbow4321]

36. God wants him to live in his mansion...

http://www.theocracywatch.org/rel_inst_post_osteen_jan30_05.htm

He is unapologetic that he lives well in a $1 million house in an upscale neighborhood and that he is pouring the church's offerings into the Compaq Center these days, not into charities.

"I feel like God wants us to prosper," he said. "My dad grew up in the Depression. . . . It is not God's will for anybody to live where you can't support your family. . . . Roger Clemens just signed for $18 million -- man, don't tell me I can't have a nice house and send my kids to college."

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Uh-huh...well, unfortunately, dude, chimp and his people make it harder and harder for **alot** of people to support their families and send their kids to school. Guess you and chimp are talking to 2 different Gods??

[tularetom]

4. I'll bet the J-man is surprised

to find out that this dipshit can read his mind. He probably thought only he could do shit like that.

[Lerkfish]

9. LOL! I almost snorted laughing at your post.

very funny!

[ugarte]

5. Just your average diva on her way to Vail

Where do I send a donation? :lol:

[BikeWriter]

22. Could we show some tolerance here, please? Joel Osteen does!

Joel Osteen is not your typical gay-bashing fundie TV Minister.

"KING: How about issues that the church has feelings about? Abortion? Same-sex marriages?

OSTEEN: Yeah. You know what, Larry? I don't go there. I just ...

KING: You have thoughts, though.

OSTEEN: I have thoughts. I just, you know, I don't think that a same-sex marriage is the way God intended it to be. I don't think abortion is the best. I think there are other, you know, a better way to live your life. But I'm not going to condemn those people. I tell them all the time our church is open for everybody.

KING: You don't call them sinners?

OSTEEN: I don't.

KING: Is that a word you don't use?

OSTEEN: I don't use it. I never thought about it. But I probably don't. But most people already know what they're doing wrong. When I get them to church I want to tell them that you can change. There can be a difference in your life. So I don't go down the road of condemning."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/lkl.01.html

[ugarte]

27. I didn't comment on Joel Osteen

And maybe Jesus did tell Mrs. Osteen to hold up the plane for an hour.

[Parche]

28. fundies

His whole family is phony, every fundie minister is, he is no exception.

[KittyWampus]

33. He's isn't a Fundie. So Your Post Is Kind Of Uniformed.

[Maestro]

41. Osteen is not even an ordained minister of any sort.

I don't think he even went to seminary. Anyhow, if he shows more tolerance it is only because he wants them to come and visit his church and of course donate money.

[Autobot77]

48. So?

Yes he may not bash gays but that doesn't make him a saint. Hes still a fraud. There are many repukes out there who don't bash gays, but still support * and his bogus "war on terra"

[Tsiyu]

8. LOL

If the real Jesus showed up in his road-weary garments, Ms. Osteen no doubt would throw him out of her "clean" church.

What kind of example does this couple set, when there is so much sorrow in the world, and this prissy bitch is freaked about a stain on a tray on her way to a ski trip? Maybe she should be travelling to the Gulf instead, comforting children and bringing hope to the hopeless. Guess it's too "messy' down there for such pristine Christians....

She has no business bringing up Jesus, IMHO. She doesn't know the guy or what he stood for and she never will.

[kevinbgoode]

10. Of course, anyone else would have been arrested

for raising such a fuss over a stupid little spill. . .but christo-fascists get special rights. Her butt should have been kicked off the plane and the plane should have left.

[Wickerman]

11. Family headed to Vail for Christmas

one would assume a pastor would be in town to tend to his flock on the most holiest of days. hmmm.

[LaurenG]

12. She is a nice person

I wouldn't judge her until we know what really happened. Her husband has said some very enlightened things about some very "hot topics" and was called down by the neocon fundies. He was on Larry King and said he just couldn't judge certain issues, it wasn't his place.

[alarimer]

15. Still an asshole

All those TV evagelist rip-off artists are. I feel the same way about Bill Graham, though I know he is a registered Democrat. If they are so "godly" why they hell are they not feeding the poor over Christmas instead of hobnobbing with the rich and famous at Vail?

[LaurenG]

26. I am not particularly religious

I am a seeker though. His messages are much more evolved than any other televangelist I have ever heard. He isn't perfect - of this I am sure and I have not watched much of his show.

However, I think that you should be feeding the poor too instead of taking your next vacation, we all should. Your rule should apply to all of us then.

He is one of the people we should all hope gets a bigger audience. He stated on Larry King that he would not judge those who didn't believe as he does. That is about the most profound statement a religious person can make. That is why I'd give him a fair shake. :hug:

[alarimer]

29. All of them can kiss my ass

There is a special place in hell for these charlatans and scammers.

[C_U_L8R]

13. Since when do Fundies wear Prada ??

Ooooohhhhhh... I get it.
There are two types of Fundie...
those that give
and
those that get

[KittyWampus]

30. He Isn't A Fundie-So There're 2 Types Of Du'ers Those That Know What

they're talking about and those blowing smoke out their ass.

[DiverDave]

19. Yes, why are they going to Vail?

Was Gstaad booked up?

Another crook scamming money in the name of the lord.

Fuck them, they are a LOOOOOONG way from god.

Karma is a bitch, and I hope it lands on them hard.

[KittyWampus]

31. Preacher's aren't allowed to ski in Vale? Must all preachers take a vow

of poverty?

REALLY?

[DiverDave]

34. Why not?

Must they live the "high life"? And further up someone asked why they weren't at there church during the holiest of days?

I have no problem with anyone living comfortably, but VAIL??, during christmas??...one wonders what THAT costs.

Oh, and it's nice to see someone defending this sort of lifestyle.

[REP]

46. Christmas is a MINOR Christian Holiday

Anyone who thinks that Christmas is one of "the holiest of days" on the Christian calendar is not well-acquainted with Christianity, and is perhaps not familiar with the Christian teaching of removing the beam from one's own eye before criticizing the mote in one's brother's eye. In other words, Judge Not.

[DiverDave]

50. HUH?

Not one of the holiest days?...the day that christians celebrate the birth of jesus? not a holy day?
And you think I don't know about the christian faith?
pot.kettle.black.
jeez...you showed me:eyes: LOL

[Gormy Cuss]

52. It's not the Resurrection or the Pentecost, but it isn't minor either

The Nativity is a holy day of obligation for Roman Catholics and Anglicans. That elevates it above minor status in those faiths. What Christian faiths treat it as a minor holiday? Just wondering.

[gratuitous]

20. Where would Jesus ski?

Oh dear. I don't have a problem with folks going to Vail or Aspen or wherever. If you can afford it, and such conspicuous consumption suits your taste, then go for it, says I. But don't pretend that this is somehow consistent with the Gospel, Sister Victoria.

Now, I know that the gospels have Jesus withdrawing from time to time, and there is no indication of all that he may have been doing on these personal retreats. Praying is mentioned, but I'd guess that with all that was going on around him, Jesus did a little more than that, and considering the yahoos he had to put up with, I'd also surmise that these retreats were even more frequent than the gospels record.

But I don't find any record and it would be quite inconsistent with the rest of the narrative to think that Jesus was heading off to Herod's palace in Jerusalem for a week of overpriced recreation. Go to Vail if that's what you want to do, Sister Victoria, but leave Jesus out of it, okay? I ask this in the spirit of Paul's dictum that insofar as it is up to you, to live peaceably with all.

[KittyWampus]

32. How is skiing inconsistent with the Gospels...this should be fun...

[gratuitous]

38. Where did I say that skiing was inconsistent with the Gospels?

Please re-read the post. I was talking about conspicuous overconsumption.

[Parche]

23. osteen

Can you say....Phony?

[BikeWriter]

24. Can you say....Prove it?

[BikeWriter]

25. "What you see is what you get, and I don’t see any hypocrisy in it"

Ole Anthony of the Trinity Foundation, which is the watchdog group that monitors TV preachers, explained that nobody has ever pointed a finger at Joel Osteen and suggested a hint of the kind of improprieties that sent Jim Bakker to jail, or shamed Jimmy Swaggert, or even raised questions about evangelist Binny Hinn.

According to Ole Anthony, "The greatest thing that has caused people to turn away from the church is they see hypocrisy, and he is what he is. What you see is what you get, and I don’t see any hypocrisy in it and I applaud him for that."

http://www.wxyz.com/wxyz/ys_investigations/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15949_3929405,00.html

[Neil Lisst]

37. She'll be crying and begging forgiveness Sunday.

They'll make it the centerpiece of the program.

I've sinned against you, Lord!

[donheld]

40. She chose to leave -

after they told her to get the fuck off.

[pitohui]

44. that's why they put her on the next plane

c'mon, i've flown continental plenty, it is highly unlikely osteen is at fault or she would have been held by fbi for hrs

for sure, she would not have been put on the next plane

i suspect a stressed flight attendant who over-reacted, something similar once happened to me, altho it didn't go so far because i recognized the beginning symptoms of a freak-out and hurried to offer really over-the-top apologies for whatever i may have done to give offense (i will never actually know, all i did was ask for a drink of water)

[dave29]

43. First Class Whining and Dining

Somewhere Jesus is drinking heavily

[pitohui]

45. somewhere jesus is enjoying the continental first class ice cream sundae!

*sigh* :-)

[Bozita]

49. Isn't jet ownership the sign of a successful televangelist?

Maybe I'm missing something.