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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:06 PM
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Kurt Vonnegut is an odd duck...
Great writer. Hilarious as hell. But, an odd duck.

I just read "God Bless You Dr. Kevorkian" tonight. The guy is brilliant. I barely even noticed how fast it went. Seemed like I just started about the time I was finishing it. He's always referring to Jesus's Sermon on the Mount (The Beatitudes). I like how he says Jesus is a good person to listen to regardless if you believe in God or not. (he is, of course, a secular humanist) He's also a fan of Eugene Debs, former 5 time Socialist candidate for president.

Vonnegut has an interesting style, often rambling, but it's effective. Oddly ties in together. It's rambling, but it kind of isn't. Tough to explain. I like it though. I have tried to emulate his style a little. It's tougher than it looks. You have to have a concrete vision to do it, not just trying to BS your way through your writing with filler. He says the oddest things though. It's kind of hip, imho. I need to read more of his work, for sure. I haven't read much as of yet.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:07 PM
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1. IF Stone said the same thing about Jesus
calling him a revolutionary.

I miss Izzy.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:11 PM
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5. yeah he very much is a revolutionary
no doubt about that.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:08 PM
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2. Link? n/t
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:20 PM
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13. try these links out
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:10 PM
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3. I envy you your first readings of Vonnegut's work`
It will blow you away. And the laughing will make your ribs hurt!

Enjoy!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:14 PM
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7. yes, it's one of those things that
is almost a fluke. I read constantly, but somehow I haven't read much Vonnegut. A few essays here and there etc. My own writing style has some similarities - not that I am that good by any means - so he's right up my alley, for sure.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:33 PM
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25. Going on a Vonnegut binge will be a blast
The poster below is right: Jailbird is brilliant. But so is Cat's Cradle. And I have an especial soft spot for "Sirens of Titan."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:11 PM
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4. Read Jailbird.
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 11:12 PM by sfexpat2000
(I got a complete set of Vonnegut as a wedding present. Don't have that hubby but still have the Vonnegut. lol :) )
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:16 PM
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8. you know
I take reading over a potential girlfriend all the time. That's about the biggest reason I am a total bachelor. I don't mind it either. :)

So what I'm trying to say is, that the books just might be a better deal in the end. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:19 PM
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11. Yeah. Hold out for a book junky like I did. Best
of both worlds. :)
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:25 PM
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19. My wife must have lucked out
even if i say so myself!:D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:28 PM
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21. She must have, indeed.
:hi:
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Uncle Roy Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:02 AM
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33. Book lovers have more fun in bed... (nfm)
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:13 PM
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6. My favorites are
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 11:14 PM by bowens43
Slaughter House Five
Breakfast of Champions
Mother Night
and Cat's Cradle.

I just finished his latest, 'A Man Without a Country'. It's very much a Bush bashing book. He hates Bush almost as much as I do.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:17 PM
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10. I have " A Man Without A Country"
on reserve at the library. It'll be a while before it gets to me though. Looking forward to it a lot though.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:21 PM
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15. It's excellent.
Pick up some of his early stuff while you're waiting. You won't regret it. Those that I listed are my favorites but all of his books are great.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:24 PM
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18. I'd like to
I just have so many that I am reading right now, I don't know when I can get to some other material. Between trying to read for fun, school and research for my own writing I am about all filled up, haha. But, I love every second of it. I just happened to pick up "Dr. Kevorkian" because I was at the library and looking for some inspiration and I saw it, so I just impulsively grabbed it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:20 PM
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12. I got Doug AMWAC for Christmas. It's all I can do not to read it
BEFORE I wrap it! lol
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:23 PM
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16. It's a quick read...go for it.
If you're careful, he'll never know....except for the fact that you'll want to be talking about it.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:16 PM
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9. You Lucky Devil
The best awaits you.

Do yourself a favor, read them in the order they were written. The sting is longer than you now immagine. It goes from one book to the next too.

By the way, brushing with warm water does work better.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:26 PM
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20. I read them in order accidentally. I think you're right. n/t
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:20 PM
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14. Try "Breakfast of Champions", "Mother Night", 'Slaughterhouse Five".
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:24 PM
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17. He is the uncle of a neighbor of ours.
He visits from time to time. I've never met him but I should try to wrangle an invitation, or stop by to borrow a cup of sugar. :)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:31 PM
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23. it's so worth it to talk to writers
James Welch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Welch_(poet) was a childhood friend of my father's. His own father, Jim Sr., would always come over to the house to visit. So, one day about 4 years ago, after I had written a short story I was looking at publishing, I called him and asked for advice. Within months I had a few stories released in a book. Since then I've been published in several other places, but calling him helped get me started. I have talked to Sherman Alexie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Alexie as well as some other authors too. All interesting people. Well-read, intelligent and virtually all are pretty liberal. So I'd say you should just go for it. :)
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:53 PM
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29. A good friend of mine is a writer and publisher.
When he comes to visit about once a year, we sit up all night and talk about books and authors. We've seen a few sunrises together. He encouraged me to start writing, and I've since had three books published, although they are non-fictional work books for caregivers of Alzheimer's patients, due to my nursing background. I did attempt a novel, but sadly my talent is severely limited. ;(
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:07 AM
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30. I am relatively gifted
I procrastinate terribly though. If my work ethic was as large as my ego, then I might be going somewhere. :)
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:30 PM
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22. God Bless You Mr. Rosewater is my favorite
Followed by Mother Night, and Slaugterhouse Five.

I didn't get a chance to finish The Sirens of Titan.
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secretmouse Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:32 PM
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24. Wish there were more "Odd Ducks" like him!
I think he's a total genius, and his wit is amazing!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:35 PM
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26. What secretmouse said.
Vonnegut is tops.



And a hearty welcome to DU, secretmouse!

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:43 PM
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27. I need to go back and re-read a bunch of his stuff.
I absolutely fell in love with him when I was a teenager, and read everything of his that I could get my hands on. I haven't really read them since I became an adult, and I feel that I would likely get alot out of them that I missed the first time around.

I really like a dark sense of humor, and Vonnegut is able to perfectly portray the inherent absurdity of the human condition.

I would highly reccomend his work.
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jane_pippin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:45 PM
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28. Oh you're going to have fun. I first read Mother Night in 8th or 9th grade
when my dad gave me his old copy of it. I don't claim that I understood all of it then, but I did check out every book of his the library had that summer. Since then I've read his books over and over and every time they're familiar but richer too.
I love all of them that I've read, but my favorite is Cat's Cradle. And of course Slaughterhouse-Five is beautiful. You should try to pick up Palm Sunday after you read some of his novels too. It's essays and some short stories and reading it will help you get to know who he is. (Or was at that time). And his newest book, A Man Without a Country is fantastic too.

Kurt Vonnegut is one of my favorite people ever. That's all there is to it.
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:28 AM
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31. I think of Vonnegut's style as a slalom instead of a
straight downhill. It is not the fastest route to the ending, but it is the planned route.

I haven't read him for a very long time, but am starting to read some of my older books again, will have to dig some of his books out to reread.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:32 AM
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32. I have too many books to read anyway
if I ever get to them all I'll be happy. Or even half of them, I suppose.
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Uncle Roy Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:17 AM
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34. He was a POW in Dresden when it was firebombed in WWII. More people died
in the bombing that night and the 5-day firestorm that followed than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Vonnegut survived in an underground meat locker in a slaughterhouse: Schlachthof Fünf, or Slaughterhouse Five. The horror of what he saw that night and in the days that followed stayed with him for the rest of his life.

In fact I think his entire career as a writer was driven by his attempt to come to grips with this. For this reason and others, it's especially interesting to read his books in the order they were written, as ThomWV mentions above. But by all means read them.

Kurt Vonnegut came unstuck in time.

So it goes...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:38 AM
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36. Reading this thread made me realize how much Douglas
Adams wrote tipping his hat to Vonnegut.

Great minds. :)
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:18 AM
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35. This is not news...
Congrats on your discovery! Mr. Vonnegut is the re-incarnation of Mark Twain, IMHO. His collection of short stories "Welcome to The Monkey House" changed my life.

"Breakfast of Champions", "God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater", "Slaughterhouse Five" - all classics.

Many people do not know that he was a prisoner of war during WWII, and lived through the firebombing of Dresden, Germany, late in the war. "Slaughterhouse 5" was based on his experience. His is a unique voice, his style elusive, always full of surprises - more often than not, he's taking you in directions you would NEVER discover by your own self.

One of my favorite human beings - his appearance on "The Daily Show" was one of the year's hilights!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:45 AM
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37. Vonnegut is my all time favorite author and I concur with those
who recommend reading his books in order. My personal favorites are Galapagos and Dead Eye Dick, but each one has its own special place in my heart.

If you noticed, my sigs have almost always exclusively been Vonnegut quotes.

Here's a great article from his 80th birthday in In These Times
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/44/


and another called Cold Turkey:

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/cold_turkey/
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:10 AM
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38. yes those were among the first things I read of his
last year.

I always have noticed your quotes. I was thinking earlier on that I saw somebody with KV quotes in their sig, and I couldn't quite recall who it was. So your timing is perfect. :)
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:44 AM
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40. this has got to be my favorite part...
"We’re spreading democracy, are we? Same way European explorers brought Christianity to the Indians, what we now call “Native Americans.”

How ungrateful they were! How ungrateful are the people of Baghdad today.

So let’s give another big tax cut to the super-rich. That’ll teach bin Laden a lesson he won’t soon forget. Hail to the Chief."
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Uncle Roy Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:27 AM
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39. Here's a list of his books...
Novels

1952 Player Piano
1959 The Sirens of Titan
1961 Mother Night
1963 Cat's Cradle
1965 God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater
1969 Slaughterhouse Five
1973 Breakfast of Champions
1976 Slapstick
1979 Jailbird
1982 Deadeye Dick
1985 Galápagos
1987 Bluebeard
1990 Hocus Pocus
1997 Timequake

Stories

1968 Welcome to the Monkey House
1999 Bagombo Snuff Box

Essays

1974 Wampeters, Foma, and Granfalloons
1981 Palm Sunday
1984 Nothing Is Lost Save Honor
1991 Fates Worse than Death
1999 God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian
2005 A Man Without A Country

There's a lot more info at http://www.vonnegutweb.com
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secretmouse Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:12 PM
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41. Oh...I have to go back..
..and reread "Deadeye Dick"..I LOVED that book..possibly my fave?????
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:21 PM
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42. He's good, but he's no Kilgore Trout.
eom
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