Creepy Freepies: Spying on Quakers is A-OK!

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1545282/posts

Here's the crazy-Freeper post du jour... on gov't.- ordered surveillance of those evildoers, the Quakers.


To: governsleastgovernsbest
I wonder who was at that Quaker meeting. Do I want useful idiots watched when being used by those who would do harm to Americans? You bet I do. Use the word Quaker and people get a mental picture of the peaceful Pilgrims settling in this country. They need to look beyond that mental image. These people were willingly used during the Viet Nam war and they are just as prone to being used again.


15 posted on 12/22/2005 5:21:15 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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[MN ChimpH8R]

1. Glue huffing cretins

that's what they are.

[Loonman]

2. Freeper idiot

The Puritans settled here, and one of the things they did was whip Quakers out of town and hang them if they came back.

Freeper morons,.

[Matariki]

11. damn straight

glad *someone* knows their history.

- proud of my Quaker ancestors.

[BrotherBuzz]

20. Not to mention them suppressing the Mayflower Separatists, too, ...

who arrived here first. The Separatists had an odd idea that included nonbelievers (strangers) on equal legal footing. Fundy Puritans put an end to that with the "my way or the highway" attitude.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

22. Tell me more about the Seperatists

I hadn't heard of them before. My ancestors fled the Plymouth colony and settled Cape Cod; some even lived with and married into the Wampanoag tribe and were expelled from the colony. Would they have been the Seperatists? (Talking here of Gabriel Wheldon and Stephen Hopkins)

[BrotherBuzz]

26. You're descended from the Strangers, not the Separatists

The Separatists believed in separating church and state, while the Puritan wanted to reform the church from within - business as usual as long as they had the power. The Mayflower passengers included Believers (Separatists), and nonbelievers (Strangers) that included John Alden, Miles Standish, Stephan Hopkins, and George Sole. The Separatists needed the skills of the Strangers to survive and feared the Strangers would start out on their own once they reached land so they drew up and signed the Mayflower compact that placed all men on an equal footing despite their religious beliefs. I'm descended from two of these Strangers and proud that they struck out on their own and founded Duxbury.

Hi fellow Stranger! :thumbsup:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

27. Hello!

Stephen Hopkins had been to the New World before, in 1611. He'd led a rebellion on Bermuda, and was able to talk his way out of the hangman's noose. The Puritans wanted him on board because he knew about the Native people. I'll have to check and see if any of my relations wound up in Duxbury-we're probably cousins! :hi:

[BrotherBuzz]

30. Cousin, let me make this clear....

There were NO Puritans on the Mayflower. The Puritans have been my families enemy for many years because they tried to railroad my great uncle (X11) during the ill fated witch trials - The Puritan 'Watergate', so to speak.


Captain John Alden, of Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts was accused on May 31, 1692, and thrown into prison. He managed to escape four months later. John was the son of the Pilgrim John Alden and Priscella Mullins who came to Plymouth on 1620 on the Mayflower. John Jr. went from Duxbury to Boston as early as 1659. He died March 14, 1702

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

33. Hey, cuz, I sympathize

My 9-great grandmother was condemned as a witch at those famous trials, and died in the Salem Jail before she was executed. I know the Puritans were accusing people of being witches as early as the 1650s-one of my other grandfathers condemned those who did-and had the status to get away with it.

[Loonman]

28. Separatists passed the first religious freedom law in the US

Near Savin Hill, Dorchester, 1630.

[BrotherBuzz]

31. Freedom of religion is often freedom from religion

Can you find a link or give us a summary of the event? Curious mind want to know. Thanks

:)

[Loonman]

32. 1/3 of the way down

http://bostonhistory.typepad.com/notes_on_the_urban_condit/2005/03/remarks_on_the_.html


And I was wrong, it was the Calvinists who passed the law.

[LunaSea]

3. coming from the most useful of idiots...

oh, the irony..........

[NewWaveChick1981]

4. What a stinking pile of buffalo dung!

Yeah, peace is such an awful thing. :sarcasm: How dare the Quakers advocate peace???

The Quakers I know are some of the best people you'd ever want to meet. (And all the ones I know are Bush haters!)

[Historic NY]

5. So much for religious institutions........

if your not a fundy your a traitor.

[Fenris]

6. Methinks he's confusing the Quakers and the Puritans.

Although the manner of dress is similar.

[CottonBear]

8. You're right. n/t

[CottonBear]

7. Wasn't Nixon raised as a Quaker or related denomination/group?

The freepers are insane.

[Loonman]

10. His family were Friends, I think

Nixon was an asshole sonofabitch and hardly a Quaker.

[madinmaryland]

14. I always wondered how Nixon could be a Quaker

and support the war in Vietnam for 5 years. Are Quakers by definition opposed to all wars?

:shrug:

[Loonman]

18. Yes

Quakers were also the first religious group to reject slavery unconditionally and campaign for it's abolishment. Most of the stops on the Underground Railroad were Quaker homes. Many Quakers acted as guides to Canada with escaped slaves, risking their own lives in the process.

[TahitiNut]

17. Yes. Both Nixon and Hoover were Quakers.

Remarkable, huh? This ain't your grandfather's Republican Party.

[baby_mouse]

9. What on Earth are they talking about? nt

[kerry-is-my-prez]

12. We need to get those Quakers out there - they appeared on one show.

so they obviously don't mind speaking out.

[turbo_satan]

13. Get a load of this post from the thread in question...

A freeper named SamuraiScot coughed up this mental hairball:

"During the Vietnam War, Quakerism was very fashionable because it could get you conscientious objector status, and hence out of the draft. So a tremendous number of Lefties came into the movement, which has been more political than religious in flavor in many regions for a half-century."

Do they really want to talk about getting out of the Vietnam draft? Do they really?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. And why would they STILL be worried about being drafted 30+ years later?

Amazing what those people will come up with to explain away everything.

[sakabatou]

15. Wow...

What drugs are these people on?

[meganmonkey]

16. lol - "These people were willingly used"

First of all, if it is 'willingly', how is it 'used'. Second of all - these are PEACEFUL people!! I have been to our local Friends Meeting house for nonviolent disobedience training and Peace team training.

I guess I must have been using them! :rofl:

[mrcheerful]

19. Funny thing about it is

every since the civil war quakers were on the battle fields tending to wounded. Whats even more amazing is they never took up arms so they were risking life and limb to help people that were wounded. Funny how freepers ignore facts when it suites their need to hide truth. BTW, friends are people that turn the other cheek and they have no extremist plans, unlike their fundie contra parts who have been known to use terrorists activities in american cities. Who can forget when fundies were mouthing the words against people that blew up womens health clinics and the murder of doctors in public, yet fundies were stating behind closed doors what great people those who did those things were. Also the fundies said they shouldn't get harsh sentences for those crimes.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

21. The Quakers weren't on the Mayflower!

It was a combination of Puritans and advernturers. For heaven's sakes, the Puritans expelled Roger Williams to Rhode Island! Obviously these people know NOTHING about the Society of Friends.

[bperci108]

23. I can't believe the stupidity of the Freeptards...

"...These people were willingly used during the Viet Nam war and they are just as prone to being used again."

You bet they were "willingly used"; they were willingly used by the Master they serve to be a living example of His gospel.

You know: not repaying evil for evil...turning the other cheek...loving you enemies and doing good to those who do evil unto you...all of that stuff that is completely antithetical to Republicanism/Conservatism.



The bumper sticker I saw the other day sums it up perfectly:

In Jesus' day, the Religious Right were called "Pharisees". :woohoo:

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. Hell, yeah! You remember all the riots those Quakers started!

And the assassinations they pulled off!

They damn near brought down the govmint!

[derby378]

29. A few months ago...

...I demonstrated on DU, without any additional comment, how some people who were involved with International ANSWER were also working with the North Korean government and openly praising Kim Jong Il.

Now, I know better than to say that ANSWER is one big Kim-fest. I have my problems with ANSWER, but there are many within its ranks who admire socialist ideals but hate totalitarianism of any kind, be it from the left or from the right.

All these FReepers know, however, is guilt by association. It's like they're playing a game of "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" and have no idea when they're supposed to stop.

And if any FReepers don't like what I'm saying, that's their own lookout. I'm a Quaker, I oppose the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and I stand with Cindy Sheehan. I'm also a proud American - not proud of the current administration, but proud of the ideals that we as Americans embrace. Y'know, the whole "liberty and justice for all" angle and all that.

[Batgirl]

34. And I'm sure this wizard of freeper logic

could explain why it not only makes sense for Bush to spy on retired Quakers in Florida, but the situation is one of such grave imminent threat that the spying must be done without a warrant.