Actually, I think we'd be better off if Bush ISN'T impeached

[Walt Starr]

Now that I have your attention...

:evilgrin:

Pushing the impeachment issue is all well and good, and hopefully we'll control Congress in 2007 and could impeach if we wanted to, but we'd be better off if we didn't.

There would be no more torturous existence for Bush than to have his rubber stamp taken away from him AND HAVE TO SPEND AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS AS A LAME DUCK!

Besides, every last Republican candidate in 2008 would then be tainted by his very existence, helping us take back the second branch of government.

Unfortunately, it'll be a couple of decades before we can even begin to hope for taking back the judiciary, and impeachment would do absolutely nothing to solve that dilemma.

[texpatriot2004]

1. Impeach PAC

http://www.impeachpac.org/

[stepnw1f]

2. lol1!!!11!!!!11!!!1

[benburch]

3. In one way you are wrong...

Nothing keeps us from impeaching his judges.

[Walt Starr]

5. They actually have to do something to warrant impeachment, though

Disagreeing with their rulings is not really a reason, unfortunately.

I know, I know, that wouldn't stop the rightwingnuts, but liberals actually have principles.

[benburch]

23. Well, Bush v Gore is sufficient for several of them.

Conspiracy to commit treason, after all... And not within the power of the court in my estimation.

[Walt Starr]

28. And you'd never have the vortes to convict in the Senate

Sorry, but that's the truth.

[benburch]

29. We'll see.

But I intend to push the issue when it is time. And I expect to succeed.

[Walt Starr]

33. Oh I'll be pushing this thing

I don't expect to succeed, but I do expect to taint this bastard's legacy regardless of the outcome.

[Punkingal]

4. Yep...

I think you're right. There is something to be said for having him in there twisting in the wind.

[AntiFascist]

31. Except for one thing....

he remains Commander in Chief and there is a large portion of the armed services that are allied with neocons if for no other reason than job security.

[HereSince1628]

6. It's gonna be an interesting impeachment series.

I am guessing it must start with Cheney to get him out of the succession, then onto he who thinks he's king.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. The key is who has the power

I remember Nixon-and how at the end no one was really sure who had the power. It was more than a bit unsettling.

I think if Bush isn't impeached and Congress continues to be a rubber stamp, we are in grave danger, because Bush will continue to take more and more power to himself. We need to have a coalition of Congresspeople who are willing to stop him from doing this by subpoenas and hearings, so that it comes before the courts. I think the judges will vote for keeping their Constitutional power. What I'm worried about are the Kool Aid drinkers in Congress who are willing to give away all their powers to Bush.

[shraby]

8. They aren't kool-aid drinkers, I'm beginning

to believe they are part of the whole plan to subvert the constitution and make a permanent one party rule.

[Chef]

9. Impeachment

Frankly, I don't think that this band of crooks has made a sufficient impression on the general public in order to bring about a restoration of democracy in our country. I want a 40 year run of progressive governance to come out of this shit and not enough of our people are to the point of seeing that these traitors have really screwed up the nation and the world. As long as that point is arguable, the real mission of letting the * government rule hasn't been accomplished.

[Dr.Phool]

10. And I was soooo looking forward to President Cheney.

Or President Pigboy Hastert. Or President Stevens, or Rice.

[Nictuku]

11. That is my worry

The line of succession is no better. A lame duck president until 2008 might be better for the country.

[AZBlue]

24. And may hurt the Republicans more.

Otherwise they can spin it as if they had a few bad apples, but they've been gotten rid of and everything's ok with them now!

[John Q. Citizen]

12. Gotta disagree. If bush is as bad as we say and we leave him in

then Democrats are part and parcel of allowing bad government. We become political opportunists instead of just standing up and doing the right thing.

[Walt Starr]

13. Look at what it takes to convict

Two-thirds of the Senate.

Now let's say we slam the Republicans and have 53 Democratic seats in the Senate in 2007.

That means, in order to convict, we would need an additional 14 Republican Senators to vote for conviction.

That simply will not happen even if we do take back the House and Senate.

[John Q. Citizen]

21. Very good point, but we still should do the right thing on principle.

We need to back up what we say with action, even if that action is thwarted by the reality of the numbers.

We aren't talking about a blow job here, we are talking about high crimes and misdemeanors and they should be investigated and prosecuted even if ultimatly he skates.

[Catherine Vincent]

14. I've always said impeachment is too good for Bush!

[Tom Joad]

15. No, no, no. Not fighting back is defeatism. We have to fight all those

who promote this illegal, immoral war. It will give warning to dems too (listening Hellary and LIEberman?) It will be necessary to expose all the shit bush and his supporters have been doing the last several years.

I don't want to even wait until congress thinks its time to impeach. We must take matters in our own hands.
http://worldcantwait.net/

[Walt Starr]

19. I'm not saying stop the impeachment talk

I'm just saying the chances of actually impeaching him, under currently available information about existing scandals and with a Democratic Congress, both House and Senate, are at best close to non-existent.

Now if some further damning evidence comnes out, then all bets are off! Teh Republicans might move for impeachment to get rid of both he and Cheney before the mid-terms.

[npincus]

16. nooooo... even a weakened Chimp is destructive

dream scenario: B*sh impeached, Cheney resigned after Fittz-indictment...

[madinmaryland]

17. I see impeachment as a good thing.

First of all any proceeding would not begin until 2007 if at all (assuming that there is a democratic majority in the house). As in the past it will take several months if not a year to wind its way through the house. At best it may be sent to the senate for a trial in 2008, which will be hanging over all repubs who might be thinking of running. Think about Frist, Santorum, and McCain all trying to rationalize why they are voting against the articals of impeachment.

Also by starting impeachment proceedings, it will keep this at the forefront of the news coverage (except for maybe faux). Any proceedings will inevitable tar any repub candidate thinking of running for pres (even Guiliani).

[Jon8503]

18. Ya and just think how much more screwed up this place is going

to be by the 2006 elections. You would think most everyone would be so sick of these bunch of outlaws, it would be a landslide for the dems. Then maybe we could go to work and get some things done to start making things better for the country again.

[Walt Starr]

20. Unfotrunately, under the current conditions

I see no possibility of impeachment with the existing Congress.

[norml]

22. Actually defending the rule of law is more important than politics

and even if it means having some other right wing nut repubs take their places it's worth it if it means being able to hold them accountable to the law.

[Cleetus]

25. Fuck that. Impeach and the troops come home.

He's a treasonous bastard with the blood of tens of thousands (at least) on his hands. He's a miserable, pathetic failure who has divided the country. He takes the law into his own hands. Torture? Illegal wiretapping? Misleading the country into war? Fucking playing the guitar and playing golf while Americans were dying of thirst on the streets of NOLA? Misleading us into war?

Impeachment is too good for him, but short of throwing his miserable ass in one of his own secret detention facilities, I'll settle for impeachment.

He stays President, it will be three more years of lies and bullshit.

We all want out of Iraq, right? I'll tell you how it should happen. Bush gets his lying ass impeached. The Iraqis realize that Bush is gone, and that the days of us dying for them will be over soon. So long as junior is at the helm, the Iraqis will remain content letting us do the dying for them.

Impeaching Bush will get our troops home sooner.

[Rowdyboy]

26. Impeachment would be excellent, but you're right-it won't happen

Personally, I'd much prefer to see him twist in the wind, crippled, despised and forever disgraced. No reason we should let the Republicans shed him one second early. He should become the face of the Republican party for the next 50 years and to do that we need time to really drive the disgrace home.

People just dislike him now. By 2008 they will DESPISE him.

[Vinca]

27. Impeachment will be a permanent stain on the Bush "legacy"

and that's important to me. When I'm dead and gone I want kids reading their history books to figure out this guy was a first class asshole. Until the end of time I want the world to remember this person as the worst president ever installed in the White House. I want them to know he took away our freedoms, killed tens of thousands and was a reverse Robin Hood, robbing from the poor to give to the rich.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

30. While that's all true...

Vinca... maybe impeachment can wait a while... The man has finally run amuck and in the near future he might just start ignoring that little voice in his ear (or is the voice from his back?)... At any rate, egomaniacs will hang themselves when given enough rope or air time and Bush has both!

[Terran]

32. Naw, I want him gone.

I think impeachment and removal from office would be the ultimate humiliation for him. I don't care who we end up with. If it's Cheney, it doesn't matter because Cheney is already the effective president anyway.