like it or not, revolution and upheaval are coming

[mopaul]

gloom gloom gloom, and of course, doom. a revolution is coming, bloodless or otherwise, can't be stopped at this point because the neocons are brinksmen. they take things all the way to fruition and they mean business.

all bloody hell is about to break loose in happy land. i wish i could be convinced that i'm wrong.

[eclipsenow.org]

1. Why?

What makes you so down?
What is it you know?
If a revolution is coming to America,
what does it mean for us downunder?

What sort of time scale are you imagining...
because I can see a "revolution" of sorts but I'm not sure that it will be a people uprising more of an energy failing.

Peak oil is due around 2008, and the airlines should go bankrupt by 2009, with a stockmarket crash and the Greater Depression beginning by about 2010. Is this what you had in mind?

[mopaul]

4. not necessarily riots in the streets scenario, but a slow rot

the titanic was called unsinkable.

[izzie]

7. I also think we are in the middle of a revolution

That is not so bad as I think it is a world wide movement and things will really change. I am over 70 and this is hardly the world I was born in. I think it is better for every one. I do think that the US will not be on top of the pile any more. For one reason they do not want to educate every one and those are the countries moving up and the US also think force will make the world do as they want and thoughts have always done that. Force gets in the way. We have to change along with the rest of the world of we will be left behind. We need some new people with new thoughts in DC.Well that is how I see it.

[acmejack]

9. I agree.

The world is much different now & there are many positive developments around the globe. Leftist Governments are on the rise, especially in Latin America. Our policies will render us irrelevant soon. At the moment we are nothing more than a nuclear armed bully and it will be a long time before the world is able to forgive us.

I hope the transition in this Country is peaceful, but with all the heavily armed aggressive RW nuts I wonder. As long as RW big mouth blowhards like Rush are on the air, spewing their hate, we run a big risk of violence.

31. Yes, I agree with a lot of what you have said

there is a bigger picture, than just the neocons. I wonder what the United States will look like 50 years from now?

[greenman3610]

11. Astrology alert- t square 2010

Astrology also suggests that this brief time period will be an important one, as a dramatic alignment between Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus constellates at this time. Specifically, Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus form what is called a “T-Square” in which the three planets form an isosceles right triangle. Although forming an exact T-Square in the year 2010, the alignment will certainly be potent in its manifestations for a year or two on either side of 2010.

Throughout history, when Saturn, Pluto, and Uranus form hard alignments(1) such as a T-Square, a time of socio-economic and political destabilization, tension, and contraction arise. Any hard alignment involving these planets suggests a period of stress where growth and evolution is demanded yet hard to achieve. On one hand, the alignment represents a stalemate between opposing forces, and, on the other, the alignment represents a time where pressure, hardship, and frustration ultimately give birth to something radically new. Out of this alignment arises a new order, where the old order disintegrates and gives rise to new social, economic, and political visions and movements.

http://www.astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/2010alignment.html


It's self defeating to look at harbingers like this and assume the worst.(whether you look
at the stars or at the economic trends.)
The last time we had this intense of an alignment was the
60s, which were indeed dramatic times, but a lot of
good arose.
We need to prepare to ride this gusto, and bring our best
selves and vision to the table. Not being blind to the risks,
I am trying to get ready to weather the storm, but the potential for big positive
change exists.

[newyawker99]

17. Hi eclipsenow.org!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Citrene]

2. Grim mood this am, MoPaul? Understandable, that is for damn

sure. Hard to not pay attention to the writing on the wall.

Peace.

[mopaul]

3. grim mood always

it's really hard to be an optimist these days

[ninkasi]

32. Indeed it is, mopaul

I consider myself fortunate because I'm fluent in Spanish. This came about almost by accident...my oldest brother dated, then married, a girl whose mother was Mexican. I was sometimes used by them as an excuse to see each other back then...her father was very strict...but she and I became good friends, and I loved the idea of speaking another language.

Now, fifty years later, my brother is dead, my sister-in-law widowed again, and the world has changed. I have kept up speaking Spanish, however, whenever possible. Now, I look toward the south, toward Bolivia, and Venezuela, and find optimism that some people, at least, are being liberated from the grinding hell of unfettered capitalism. Some leaders see the benefit of a country sharing natural resources with the people, and improving life for all.

In this country, we are regressing. We are returning to the gilded age of the robber barons, with a small, select elite wealthy beyond human imagining, and the rest of us reduced to fighting over increasingly lower paid jobs, or facing reductions in standards of livings under the threat of jobs going overseas. The trick is to get workers to unite in common cause, so that the standard is a living wage. In this country, we are speeding away from that goal.

We are also more and more at the mercy of right-wing religious fanatics, who wish to dictate not only to their own congregations, but to impose their narrow views on education, the practice of medicine, and equal rights laws. Strange, that while once this country held out hope to the oppressed of the world, we have seen our liberties eroded, our jobs outsourced, and our Constitution shredded. My only consolation is in knowing that, even if it isn't happening here, people's lives are being made better in America...South America.

[DemExpat]

5. I have these thoughts on and off....

but I must say that it surprises me how checks and balances sometime still seem to be effective in US government.

DemEx

[NJCher]

6. me, too

It has taken a long time for them to show any effect, though. Nevertheless, once the system starts rolling, it's very hard to stop.




Cher

[xchrom]

8. yes -- but you won't have to worry about them gays gettin married!

[rogerashton]

10. So far, we have not seen a Republican party purge.

That's important. There is a lot of totalitarianism in our illegitimate government, but ruling party purges, a typical activity of full-blown totalitarian regimes, we have not yet seen.

So why hasn't the Bushista machine purged the Pub party? It's got to be because they are afraid they would lose power if they did. That is our remaining fingerhold on democracy.

edited for spelling!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. I hadn't thought of that

but you are correct. If the neocons thought they were in full control, they would purge the party. That they haven't done. I also have to wonder if they are all so sure the SCOTUS will back them on the spying deal. To do so would take power away from the judges, and they don't like threats to their power.

[Finder]

34. Ah, but there has been and continues to be a purge...

of sorts. Mod repubs are challenged by other repubs(far right) across the nation. The strategy will be to put neocon dems or religious repubs against them in 2006.

[rogerashton]

35. Yes, and that's a worry,

but no show trials yet.

[libhill]

33. An' ya won't

have to worry bout no soci-ized edicine niether. We done got us a contittushional write to suffer with no insurance

[Deja Q]

13. Sorry.

The same was often screamed in the mainstream... circa 1969. And even for all their harsh lyrics, no member of Jefferson Airplane was thrown in the slammer either.

There was no revolution.

In 2005, far more people are too openly selfish... or apathetic... or both.

[Cerridwen]

14. Your post reminds me of a thought I had many years back.

I don't remember what triggered my thought; it had something to do with some readings I was studying at the time or something.

But it occurred to me that Armageddon, that so many corporate "religionists" seemed to be predicting might in fact be coming; not so much as the "End of the World," but as end of the world as we know it.

For example, many of "those people" are extremely fearful of change; they hang onto the status quo with a death grip. What would happen if all their beliefs were suddenly flipped? What if they suddenly discovered that financial success was not due to the "Grace of God" but in many cases to the exploitation of "the least of us?" What would happen if suddenly it was deemed "sacred" to create rather than destroy? What would happen if, and here's a truly scary one for them and some of us as well, we discovered those things which we've collectively touted as the "American Way," i.e., competition, winning at all costs, acquiring power over others, "might makes right," winning at all costs, "the ends justify the means," you get the idea...what would happen if they suddenly and collectively realized peace, cooperation, love, creativity, and all those other "touchy feely" types of things were the only thing that would ensure our existence in this universe? What would happen if they suddenly and collectively discovered they were "wrong?"

That would be, in my mind, the second "big bang." Armageddon.

But, maybe, just maybe, we're going to get there gradually rather than all at once; maybe that's the gloom and doom you're feeling. People fighting within themselves; their values being tested and questioned.

Maybe, mopaul, just maybe, it's the darkness before the dawn.

Cerridwen (she of the cliches)

:-)

[Strong Atheist]

15. Not yet. Maybe in ten, twenty years. nt.

[Greyhound]

18. I used to think that as well, but the last 5 years have made me

reassess my estimates. I never would have believed that the sheeple would stand for the kind of radical change, in such a short time, that we've seen. Now I'm thinking 2 - 5 years.

[Strong Atheist]

28. Ok. Hope you are wrong.

Civil wars are BAD:scared: .

[Greyhound]

29. Yes they are. Don't think it will necessarily lead to a civil war, but

a great deal of pain and more injustice. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

[Kralizec]

24. The GREAT Oil Wars will be in ten years.

These past two wars have been skirmishes to this. If rev comes... it will be before then. If the rev fails, then the neo-cons and neo-liberals will fight the war... the oil wars will climax down that path.

edit: clarification

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. For a revolution you need revolutionaries. There ain't none in 'murka.

Well, there are some, very few, who want to change the corrupt system.

[leeroysphitz]

26. Dance Dance Revolution is all were gonna get... n/t

[Greyhound]

36. And that's why they've made us fat, ignorant sheeple. n/t

[orwell]

19. Upheaval Yes...

...Revolution no.

The sheep have been neutered.

[Beam Me Up]

20. My perception, too, mo.

[madeline_con]

21. Why so morose?

I thought the revolution to oust the neocons was Happy Fun Time. :shrug:

[More Than A Feeling]

22. Assuming the American people care enough about democracy

to defend it at home, not just squawk about bringing it to Iraq.

[Kralizec]

23. You share a growing feeling in people. (nt)

[leftofthedial]

25. happy land?

where's that?

I mean other than in the past?

[kentuck]

27. We went thru the Great Depression without "revolution"...

The American people hae proven they are capable of adapting to almost any torture or hardship without resorting to challenging our government in a revolutionary way.

[Greyhound]

30. Just barely and that was because FDR and the "do-nothings" adopted

many of Huey Long's rhetoric and positions. If FDR hadn't jammed the "New Deal" through we would likely have had a revolution.