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BEYOND TREASON Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:16 AM
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The American nightmare
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 04:24 AM by BEYOND TREASON
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Is America becoming what it most fears: a big brother state ruled by diktat, where no one is protected from eavesdropping by the secret police, and everything is permitted in defence of the homeland, including torture?

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This America still exists, but it is being eroded by an administration that believes it can rule outside the rule of law. They are fast replacing the American dream with an American nightmare, an Orwellian world where memos defending torture are penned in the department of justice and judges are made redundant in the public interest.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1671984,00.html

U.K media still doing its job!
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:22 AM
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1. Bush popped into my mind when I saw that headline.
We sure need some new thinkers in DC. Maybe it is because that came out of the same few colleges? It is almost as if the country has run out or steam.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:24 AM
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2. Oh, this is gold!
In an astonishing display of candour, Dick Cheney now looks back on the Nixon presidency with chilling nostalgia, ruing the loss of unfettered executive power. "Watergate and Vietnam served ... to erode the authority I think the president needs to be effective, especially in the national security area," opined the vice-president to a gaggle of reporters in the cabin of Air Force Two, as they flew over the Middle East.

Wow, look how effective they have been, with Katrina, with the Iraq war, with all of it. Effective, yes that's the word that comes to mind. :sarcasm:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 04:26 AM
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3. Remember that Dickhead was picked to pick the VP for Pinhead**
He choose himself for that spot.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:14 AM
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4. An excellent commentary, thank you for sharing it.
I find the fact that as a nation we are evolving into the enemy we were once taught to fear and despise very interesting and remarkable also.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:07 AM
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5. The Nazification of America
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 11:09 AM by JohnyCanuck
Three articles by Dr. Norman Livergood, a former department head at the US Army War College.

The Nazification of America

The Reichstag Fire Syndrome occurs whenever a democracy is destroyed by creating a law-and-order crisis and offering as a "solution" the abdication of civil liberties and states' rights to a powerful but unaccountable central dictator. The men of wealth who put the tyrant into power are then able to reap obscene war profits.

http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step4.htm




Military Dictatorship USA?

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

James Madison, while a United States Congressman



We usually think of a nation being controlled by a military dictatorship when a military leader seizes control through a putsch, as in the case of General Pervez Musharraf in Pakistan or Saddam Hussein in Iraq. The previous government is overthrown and a military strong man places himself in power with few if any constraints from judicial or legislative oversight.

But we must look for the essence of a military dictatorship, those features which are present whenever this form of oppression occurs. In essence, a military dictatorship is a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a repressive ruler or a small clique who use military and police power to dominate the people mentally and physically.

http://www.hermes-press.com/militarismindex.htm




Police State USA?

A police state exists when federal and state political and police mechanisms:

1. Shut down media coverage after they steal an election

2. Serve the central government instead of serving the citizens

3. Enforce the policies of the central government instead of responding primarily to criminal misdeeds

4. Spy on and intimidate citizens

All these conditions now exist in the United States!

http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm


Good luck America and good luck Canada too, because these thieving, murdering, war criminal, fascist bastards fully intend to bring us "into the fold" as well.


The Morphosis and the sabotage of Canada by our own government, written in three parts:

The North American continent is being transformed from three sovereign nations Canada, USA, Mexico) into one regional corporate power base, the North American Union. Unlike the creation of the European Union, there is no public political/ academic discourse on the merits, or pros and cons of a North American Union building up to a vote within each nation as to the wish of the people to join such a union. Instead the union is being created by stealth, is already well on its way to fruition, and is being imposed on us by our own elected representatives and government with no opposition.

The driving force is corporate. The Chief Executive Officers of the most powerful corporations operating in the three countries want this union and have been working for some time devising their strategies and goals. Their facilitators are first, unelected officials and bureaucrats who move easily between corporations and government; second, former elected officials like John Manley , former Deputy Prime Minister of Canada; third, the heads of the three nations, Martin, Bush, and Fox; and finally, the governments and the rest of the elected members who apparently just rubber stamp what is put in front of them by the unelected officials- few questions, if any asked.

The ultimate enforcement mechanism for the North American Union is a police state.

The tools for the police state are "anti-terrorist" laws which, in themselves, are a ruse to strip the citizens of civil liberties in order to prevent dissent against the police state.

The Orwellian justification is "security", "safety".

http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/temp/articles/morphosis/index.asp

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BEYOND TREASON Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:28 AM
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6. Is the usa president breaking laws.YES!
However im not sure a connection can made between Bush administration and nazi germany..Bush may even be worst president in usa history...Nazi and America in the same sentance i dont think so..
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:39 AM
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7. Welcome Beyond Treason
There lacks only one thing to make the American and Nazi connection...and that is for the military to take an oath of allegiance to Bush or the Republican party. And it may be closer to that than we think.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:05 PM
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9. I most certainly do think so.
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 12:06 PM by JohnyCanuck
Hitler did not start his rise to power by invading Poland. It was only after he and his fellow fascist had spent years consolidating power in Germany, destroying any political opposition and ensuring they had complete control over the reins of government and the military. The Bush/Neocon/PNAC SoBs are following exactly the same pattern and using the same tactics today. It boggles my mind that anyone who follows even the emasculated, Pravdadized, corporately controlled media available in the USA cannot see this taking place.

If Hitler had been stopped while Germany still had some semblance of an opposition it would have spared the world a lot of grief. I am just hoping and praying that Americans and Canadians alike will wake up while there might be some time left in which we can throw a roadblock in their plans. IMHO, the gravity of the situation we face today is every bit as perilous as the situation Germany and the world faced in the 1930s, if not more so, since these latter day fascist will be nuclear armed and are even planning to have orbiting nukes in space to ensure their complete control over the world and its resources.


PNAC 101 The Rise of the Neocons
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:40 AM
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8. I disagree with the last paragraph
at least in part.

"Public opinion still lags behind the outrage of senators. In a country that still feels it could be one day away from the next terrorist attack, public opinion may never catch up. Fear may still triumph over hope."

I think the "outrage of senators" lags far behind the public opinion in most aspects. For example, IIRC it was Lindsay Graham along with a handful of Republican senators that started pushing back regarding Iraq. They were saying that people were losing support for the war in their home states. On several occasions, I heard Murtha say "the American people are way ahead" of the Congress of the issue of Iraq.

Yesterday, while listening to Ed Schultz, a Con called in about the spying. He was refreshingly polite and not even a hint of smugness. His comment: "Sorry, George. I can't stand with you on this one." He's not the first to be calling in and saying he no longer supports Bush, and this has been going on for quite a while now.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 12:07 PM
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10. This line stood out from Chimpy
"The Iraqi people now enjoy constitutionally protected freedoms and their leaders now derive their powers from the consent of the governed,"

He just left out the part "And all it cost us was the US Constitution!"
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