A statement from a top FBI official to chill your bones

[Toots]

A top FBI official reportedly justified spying on these
groups by saying that environmental and animal rights groups, not Al Qaida,
"posed the biggest terrorist threats in the United States." 12/20/05

Sierra Club a bigger terrorist threat than Al Qaeda..... Anybody here belong to Sierra Club? You may just be an enemy combatant and no longer have any Constitutional Rights you thought were guaranteed...No right to council, no right to confront your accusor, no right to a speedy trial, no right to the privacy of your home, papers or person...

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. notice that only liberal groups are on the list

Nothing about white supremists or the anti-abortion nuts who bomb and kill.....

[intheflow]

3. Funny, that.

Not. :(

K&R'd.

[Hotler]

9. or americans for tax reform, PNAC, none of the traitors...eom.

[me b zola]

22. PNAC=#1 domestic terrorist group, with splinter cells world -wide

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Oh of course not

Ugh. That's what is disgusting. :mad: Someone could be planning to bomb an abortion clinic and KILL people but they wouldn't know or give a damn.

[cantstandbush]

27. And notice that the last terrorist act within the US BEFORE 9/11

was a RW, Rambo wingnut. Or was that the anti-abortion wingnuts?

[NMMNG]

59. They're only concerned with the groups that might cause damage to

profits of large corporations via protests and boycotts. They don't really care about the ones that kill undesirables like blacks, gays and women seeking abortions. :sarcasm:

[MN ChimpH8R]

67. You nailed it in one, Buffy

That's it exactly. Those folks are just useless eaters in the view of the Reichwing.

[KakistocracyHater]

73. they only look at threats to businesses

not to cities, states, neighborhoods. Apparently the fbi now works for corporations & not the us populace. Looks like it's almost too late to stop this madness now...

[The Backlash Cometh]

60. Well, if they looked too hard for those white supremacists, police

departments across the South would go understaffed.

[atommom]

2. When was the last time the Sierra Club killed 3,000 people?

[rodeodance]

4. do you have link please. I would like to read the story.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

6. Yes. Link pretty please

:shrug:

[Toots]

14. Here is a link to where I read it..It is a DNC release

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2327659

[EuroObserver]

71. k&r n/t

[Maddy McCall]

5. I am a member of Sierra Club.

Where's the link to your quote?

[Straight Shooter]

7. What about that white couple in Texas with an arsenal in their basement?

Didn't they have enough explosives to blow up gawd-knows-how-much acreage and buildings?

Environmental and animal rights group are only a threat because they lead people to think about the choices we make which will affect this planet and future generations of people and animals who will live on this planet. Such decisions run counter to big oil, big pharma, big military spending.

I guess the Humane Society is now a bigger threat than AQ. :eyes:

[greiner3]

8. I joined at the same time as I joined ACLU;

In the summer. I'd always wanted to, so I just went and did it. Haven't been to any meetings yet. You suppose that's why my front door hasn't been kicked in yet? I'm naturally paranoid and this is something that will keep me occupied for a while. Good thing to know, though.:popcorn:

[livvy]

10. Umm...no longer a member, but....

my class adopted a wolf in my name from the National Wildlife Federation. Does that count?

[YourBrother]

31. you bet livvy

your the worst kind of terrorist now mate

dont you know all that caring and sharing constitutes communism?

in my humble opinion the Cock In Charge would be well within his rights as omnipotent being and decider of whats good and whats evil to blow your kneecaps off and then pinch you really hard until you divulged the names of all other traitors who thought it was ok to subsidise this militant rodent hunting radical

move home, change your name ... its no good .. they got your cell number :o( and your never gonna give THAT up .. are you?

peace mate, they cant take us all

[livvy]

40. Oh, nooooo. I'm doomed!

I guess my pack (of dogs) and I had better take flight. We shall run only on moonless nights, and seek shelter with whomever will offer. Fortunately, I have big dogs, and they're very protective, and have sworn to never divulge my cell number. Thanks for the advice.
Dang, this is an Orwellian world we currently reside in, isn't it?

[YourBrother]

53. orwellian?

yes and no

i hate myself for typing that

yes, yes it is, and it calls for orwellian action i believe

rings around your whitehouse ... bullet proof glass round the galleries in the house of commons?

they aren't hiding from terrorists, they are hiding from the people who "alledgedly" voted them in

blairs election was notable for the turnout, although very low, not as low as it should have been given the anti-war feeling over here and discussions about general turnout

then there was the case of labour mp's caught red handed with postal ballots spread out all over the floor filling them in, this wasn't an isolated incident

our governments weren't elected by the peoples of our nations, they were put there to protect the interests of possibly less than 20 families on this earth

ordinary people should be marching in the streets, tell your friends and brothers in the armys and police forces not to follow orders from these tyrants, dissent is whats needed, and make it LOUD

these bastards need to know were not gonna stand for it

im not scared of osama, and im not scared of the powers that be either ... are you?

lest we forget they still need people to do their dirty work for them .. i just hope your army doesn't become too distanced from the people of america while over in iraq ... and god forbid ... iran

becuase they are cooking that one up too

very little seems to have been made of the fact israeli forces have threatened air strikes on iran in march either

it seems if america wont do their dirty work they will do it themselves

safe in the knowledge they have the most arsenal in the area, and the full backing of US congress

im hopin' nostradamus was wrong you know

[wishlist]

11. Here is link to Washington Post article with this quote from FBI official

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901777.html

[keopeli]

15. thank you! nt

[smoogatz]

28. Here's the quote

"John Lewis, the FBI's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, told a Senate panel in May that environmental and animal rights militants posed the biggest terrorist threats in the United States, citing more than 150 pending investigations."

Makes you wonder what drugs guys like Lewis are taking. How many people have been killed by environmental and animal rights "militants" in the entire history of the planet? I'm thinking of a number between zero and zero. It's like we're living in some bizarre alternate reality, in which politics determines everything--even what the definition of a "terrorist threat" is. Just. Fucking. Crazy.

[seabeyond]

12. i am member of aclu. lots all sign up for these groups in support

where is the list. i can be a good quaker girl too

[Rocknrule]

13. They are hunting down political enemies, not terrorists

But in the minds of them and their supporters, there is no difference between the two

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Amazing

Do you have a link to this? I'd like to share.

[wishlist]

20. Link to Washington Post article detailing ACLU complaints vs FBI

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/19/AR2005121901777.html

[HereSince1628]

17. This also translates into Al Qaeda not being much of a threat

Which sort of explains why it was OK to give up pacification of Afganistan and abandon finding bin Laden...their low importance freed the US to focus on destroying the infrastructure of Iraq.

[Al-CIAda]

19. Which also means... nt

[glitch]

41. Indeed it does. nt

[lyonn]

25. Quick, tell bush the coast is clear

we can leave the Al Qaeda alone and concentrate on the real enemies right here at home. How did he get it so wrong. Must have been all that bad intel.

[FreedomAngel82]

29. Yep

And also shows how they don't give a damn and never will. And is very telling with the "official" story of 9/11 too. Raises more question's. Why is Bush spying more on American people instead of trying to find BinLadin. "You know I just don't spend much time on him."

[Metta]

21. Witch hunting at its finest.

The old smear tactic. Fear and smear.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Yep

Is it "1984" yet??

[TheGunslinger]

23. Well, groups like ELF burning up SUV dealerships

Pretty violent means.

[Cults4Bush]

24. Yep but bombing a mosque is just a hate crime.

ELF and ALF go out of their way to make sure people generally aren't harmed. Not that I support their tactics but lets be real here they are groups that abhor killing and haven't.

KKK, AN and an assortment of militia groups are easily a hundred times more dangerous, to say otherwise not only obfuscates the reality of violent groups but allows for oversights of possible connections between our domestic breed of terrorism and foreign terrorism. I'll give you two commonalities off the top of my head, hatred of Jews/Israel and isolationism/seperatism. That should be enough to warrant a larger looksy than ELF dont ya think? I mean crazed crystal meth nazi wannabes making friends and getting funding from the enemy of their enemy should raise a freakin eyebrow, right?

... but no lets beat up on ELF they burn SUVs.

Every man hour they devote to investigating ELF is an hour that could stop a possible real terrorist attack, you know the kind... where people are killed instead of gas guzzling earth raping ego-moblies. That should sicken the hell out of any American who cares about this country in total and not just their tunnel vision version.

[TheGunslinger]

62. Terrorism doesn't have to include loss of life.

[schrodingers_cat]

49. And ALF and their pipe bombs - not acceptable to me either

They believe that they control the situation enough not to harm people, but this is a foolish delusion on their part. They've earned a seat on the wacko bus, in my eyes (flame away......)

on edit: exteremism of any form is dangerous.

[Bridget Burke]

64. Yeah, a bunch of SUV's on a used car lot burned up down here....

The owner muttered something about "ecoterrorism." Upon investigation, the incident had more to do with unsellable heaps & insurance.

Vandalism & destruction of property are already crimes. But they aren't "terrorism."

[HysteryDiagnosis]

26. Interesting that... since the first protest gathering against this

illegal and immoral adventure in WPB Fl did have a speaker from the Sierra Club.... nice enough chap... didn't look violent to me.... but then I guess you don't have to if the king is going to be judging everything hisself.

[bonito]

30. I think this is quite telling

Think about it, there are extremist in any group, and the real threat so they say, is the every day misguided wackos. Well I guess there just doing there job.

[mom cat]

32. Link please.....thanks.

[YourBrother]

34. sometimes ....

people or groups are highlighted by their ABSENCE

"The FBI also kept information on Greenpeace and the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, the papers show"

i wonder if the FBI kept such files on the anti defamation league ... and if not, why not?

who in their right mind could ever accuse greenpeace of being a terrorist threat is a lunatic, or someone who's business it is profiteering from the earths destruction ... then i guess a greenpeace activist would be a threat to your way of life .. if your way of life is inhuman and extortionate and ultimately about to lead to the demise of a safe environment for most species on this planet .. according to new scientist

[tlsmith1963]

35. This is Why We Have to Fight

We have no other choice. They have made it clear that they want to destroy our side. So I don't want the Democratic leadership worrying about polls anymore. Every time they do, they give in to Bush. So let's get tough on the leaders of our party. I am tired of how they continually let us down. Yes, they get tough from time to time, but then they start worrying about polls & give it up. I am sick of being treated like a Jewish person in Nazi Germany. I am sick of watching my country decline, feeling helpless to do anything about it. Republicans, you will no longer call me unpatriotic or un-American. I will not allow you to treat me like a terrorist by spying on me. We all need to say this. It's scary, & it's hard, but what other choice to we really have? They are forcing us to fight.

Tammy

[YourBrother]

55. right on

it's not that scary to say it out loud, infact it's kind of liberating Tammy

fear not for your mortal flesh but for the legacy it can leave behind for the future

if your scared, they've got you where they want you

a scared person is never a free person

[ThoughtCriminal]

36. Yes, - Bigger threat to the people who own the GOP

Actually, fair elections and an independent media are a bigger threat, but they can't be that honest.

[Just Me]

37. They target peaceful political dissidents that oppose the administration.

As for the extreme right-wing, they get a pass in spite of their continued hate crimes.

[SpiralHawk]

38. The elders said a long time ago

that when the peaceful Warriors of the Rainbow stood up against the destruction of the earth, some would hate them. They would require exalted moral courage to stand peacefully for environmental common sense.

The elders spoke of the dreams and visions they had of the time that would come when poisons and metals would fill the air and turn the sweet waters bitter and sickening.

http://www.chiron-communications.com/communique%207-9.html

" In brief, the legend of the rainbow warriors says that when the Earth becomes desperately sick some of the people will recognize that they are destroying themselves and their Earth Mother. With spiritual insight and support, the rainbow warriors — people of all colors and faiths — will come to the rescue using only peaceful means, eventually establishing a long and joyous reign of peace."

[tlsmith1963]

39. The Leader of the Local Native American Tribe

that owns the casino I work for is a much better leader than Bush could ever be. He is an amazing person. He gives great talks & really inspires people. I wish we could have a President with his qualities. :(

Tammy

[Peace Patriot]

46. It's happening in South America--the democratic miracle of our era,

led by the indigenous people. Look south! They are showing us the way back to sanity, by entirely peaceful, democratic means. They have won elections in country after country. They have banded together against the corporate predators. The corporates call them "leftist" or "socialist" but that is not really accurate. They are Rainbow Warriors. Look south for the light of the new era!

[brer cat]

72. I wish we had a rainbow warrior as President. Earth Mother is sick!

[GuvWurld]

42. We Are Being Set Up: The Manchurian Nation

We Are Being Set Up: The Manchurian Nation

[parhelion]

43. Easy to see who's calling the shots here -

Who do these organizations pose a threat to? Big business, corporations and industry, that's who. Just further proof that we are living in a fascist (corporatist) state, where most branches of the federal government are there to protect the corporations from us, not to protect us from external threats.

Anyone familiar with last year's FBI crackdown on the animal rights group Hugs For puppies? See this: <http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11943839&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6>

I recall reading the FBI official's quote mentioned in the OP quite some time ago, maybe a year ago or more. I was amazed that they had the audacity to admit that, while leaving out the most obvious threats such as white supremacists and the "pro-life" movement, especially in light of OK City.

[long_green]

54. Amen.

nm

[salin]

44. Osama bin Sierra Club

these folks are frightening. Frankly, living in a red state, I believe that if folks heard this message trumpeted from the talk radio echo chamber, that most folks would be pretty disgusted. But they will never hear it.

[SmokingJacket]

45. What, deadly papercuts from their calendars?

Or is it that the Sierra Club might make people value nature over profit? Ooooh, major threat to the bottom line, there!

They don't give a SHIT about real threats to American citizens -- who are in greater danger from natural disasters, disease, and poverty than from terrorists of any stripe -- but only about threats to American business. Why won't they just admit it?????????

[tlsmith1963]

47. I Had to Joke Around Today So I Wouldn't Cry

I was thinking about how the conservatives spied on the animal-rights activists too, & was wondering how in the world they could think these people were connected to al-Qaeda, since they said they were only spying to protect us from people like bin Laden. I got this mental picture of al-Qaeda storming a laboratory & chanting "Free the Islamic rats! God is great!" It got a chuckle out of me. It's better than crying, I guess.

Tammy

[Bridget Burke]

65. The Sierra Club is sending me a backpack for renewing my membership.

No doubt, I'll be searched as a terror suspect when using public transit. (Which is a lot.)

[tuvor]

48. What...no NRA???? n/t

[Garbo 2004]

50. Yah, gotta watch out fer them Quakers too. Good grief.

And yet the Eric Rudolphs and their fellow travelers aren't threats? Odd, that....

Bah.

[MountainLaurel]

66. Now Garbo

The only people Eric Rudolph ever killed were gays and those aiding and abetting "baby killers". The FBI under the Reich probably doesn't consider that a threat, but rather a public service. Besides, Eric Rudolph looks like them and worships like them, how could he be a threat?

Edited to note that I'm being sarcastic, sort of. I don't doubt that some in the FBI consider Quakers to be suspicious for their lack of war-mongering and hatred of brown-skinned people. Hell, I had a roommate once who was in the FBI and he considered our other roommate to be a hippy because she liked to grow plants and flowers.

[conflictgirl]

51. Not to spark another debate, but...

If they're really targeting "potentially violent" domestic groups as potential terrorists, why aren't they mentioning the groups that are involved with or support attacks on abortion clinics?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. Because they kill people not precious SUVs.

[lonestarnot]

52. What about Greenpeace? LOL

[AzDar]

56. Kick.....

[NVMojo]

57. Wonderful! I need to make sure I renew my membership now!

stupid facist fuckers.

[roguevalley]

58. join every group out there. I belong to the Sierra Club.

[Hekate]

61. Once again, time to say: Hi Agent Mike!

I took my unwanted tax refund from Bush and divided it among worthy groups that would annoy the hell out of * if only he knew. (Planned Parenthood topped the list, and you know how subversive they are.)

If the proto-fascists that currently run the nation really care, I'm sure my name keeps cropping up -- it's all about peace and social justice and equal opportunity, and none of it is about blowing up federal buildings with daycare centers on the first floor.

I made a point of looking up at the black helicopters hovering over the half-million protestors in DC this September, just to wave Hi. -- Agent Mike, tell 'em it was me! Ditto when I joined a million other women and men in DC in the spring last year -- just waved up at the whirly-birds keeping an eye on us.

The guys who fly those things -- betcha *they* have a pretty good idea of how many average Americans despise this maladministration enough to pay good money to fly or bus across this country to march in Washington DC.

Haven't been to any Quaker Meetings, though I suppose I better put it on my To-Do list.

Tell me again how this makes us safer?

What a waste of money, time, and patriotic capital.

Hekate

[Supersedeas]

63. Al-Queda is a minor threat when compared to 'tree huggers' ???

[insane_cratic_gal]

68. Right Agent Mike because

Bombing a country over and over and over... again
Throwing them into torture chambers
rubbing shit and menstrual blood on them
all the while filming the disgrace is not an act of "terrorizing"

that damn Sierra Club and their wildlife magazine and caring about the ecosystem well all breath is such a "terrorist" thing to do.

F'wad get a clue.

Matter of fact I think I am going to subscribe to that terrorist organization right now.

[Bandit]

69. Kick

:kick: everyone needs to see this and realize just how serious things have become..

[xchrom]

70. insanity must be contagious.

bushco seems to have spread it's special version of being downright nuts to other people.

i sure hope they come up with a vaccine for this.

so now there will be a knock on my door.:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

74. Those dangerous people in the Audubon Society are a real threat.

Or, the World Wildlife Fund.

The list of bogeymen is long.

[LSK]

76. GOD FUCKING DAMMIT THIS IS A NIGHTMARE, END IT NOW

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

:grr:

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