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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:12 PM
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DUer Mari333's "rant" will be lead editorial on truthout.org tomorrow
Mari: I did a wee bit of editing to take your words from rant format to editorial format, but the essence is still very much there. This will be the third story on our list of ten in the email newsletter, and will be the top story in the editorial column on the webpage at about 10pm tonight ET.

===

A Mother's Rage
By Marianne Brown
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Tuesday 21 October 2003

http://truthout.org/docs_03/102103C.shtml

I am a mother, 52 years old, and my son is in the National Guard. They won't let him go because the National Guard has put a 'stop-loss' on all Reservists and National Guard troops who are legally supposed to be discharged when their time is up. They might send him overseas on Friday.

I'm mad. Of course I'm mad. I'm a mother.

...more...
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:16 PM
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1. Never get it the way of a pissed off Mom...
...And that includes, you, GW.

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:17 PM
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2. Hell yeah!
This is good stuff. Way to go Marianne, we are all with you. Every step of the way. You and your son.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:18 PM
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3. Thank you William Pitt.
You said what I said, minus my shaking hands when I wrote it.
I dont know how to thank you.
Marianne.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:22 PM
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6. You already did
by writing this. I will keep you apprised of the responses we get. I'm sure there will be a few. Congratulations.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:25 PM
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8. I can't even fathom what you must be going through
I hope your words touch other people's hearts as they have touched mine. We must stop this madness!

Know that we are all here for you to lean on if you need it. :grouphug:
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Furity Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:59 PM
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46. You go, mom!
We're behind you 100%. Your story brought tears to my eyes. I'm a mom, too.

~Furity
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 04:24 AM
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51. Thank YOU.
Reading that, it reminded me of how I felt when I first realized my father was sent into combat missions based on lies - and how close he sometimes came to never coming back.

You and Bobby are in my thoughts.

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progressiverealist Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:55 AM
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54. Mari, I really admire you... I lost my Mom several years ago
It just kinda makes me feel better that there are still Moms like you around.

But mostly, I pray for your son's safety and for you to have as much peace as possible. Your love for your son shows in your writing. It is inspirational and I'll be thinking of it all day. There's hope for us all as long as the love of mothers is a force in this world.

Bless you and your son.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:38 AM
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71. welcome to du, realist!
:dem:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:25 AM
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60. Hey Mari
If Bobby wants to give W the finger and go live in a better place I'll be happy to help. If you or him dislike the idea please don't be offended for me to suggest such a thing, but extreme circumstances sometimes require extreme solutions.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:28 AM
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61. Update
jXXXXXX@vialink.com.br

Put the surname of the dictator of Cuba where XXXXXX is. (Sorry for the obfuscation but I get enough spam already)

Cheers
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:38 AM
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62. Im printing out this page for him
I hope he listens to every person here..and all the ideas on here. Ultimately, its now up to him, seems like we have exhausted everything else, every other option.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 09:43 AM
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66. I Felt I was Reading
about me. You put every feeling I have into words. I too had my first boy in my 20's. He is 20 and a brilliant student. My son wanted to join the military a few days after 9/11. I prayed everday that he would change his mind. My husband is from the Middle East and my children have very Muslim Names (althought they are Roman Catholic). I said to my son, How will your life be in the service with your name? You will always be under suspicion and if something goes wrong, all eyes will be on you. Well he changed his mind. Thank you again for sharing your feelings. I hope your son comes home in Nov.


O8)
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:36 AM
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70. WHEW!
That was close, eh? I'd advise you to print out Mari's article and show it to him if he ever entertains these suicidal thoughts again!
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:00 AM
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72. I Did
that, just in case he has some second thoughts.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:19 PM
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4. Did you read the post about the phone call from Afghanistan?
chilling.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:25 PM
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9. yes.... very powerful

and I'm in touch with BeHereNow. there's a chance that her nephew will call into Guy James on Saturday. if he can't then BHN will.

a great follow-up to Marianne's call this past week.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:21 PM
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5. Way to go, Mari eom
eom
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ronzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:24 PM
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7. Very cool.
Big slap on the back for you, William.
I'm pleased this will get the exposure it deserves, Mari.
Well done.
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:26 PM
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10. What a great piece
Thank you for writing it, Marianne.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:27 PM
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11. Thank you both, Mari and Will
You deserve the thanks of an grateful nation for all you do to ensure the Old American Republic is restored.

Thank you...both.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:27 PM
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12. We Are With You Marianne
eom
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:29 PM
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13. It was a heartfelt rant
Not the kind thing you can pretend about. That was real feeling. Thanks, Mari333 for posting it and to WPitt for taking it to a wider audience.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:32 PM
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14. Is "Stop-Loss" Constitutional?
Is there a provision for this somewhere that was already in place? Or is this just something that the Chimp executive-privileged into being?

-- Allen
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:52 PM
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38. Well...
can you imagine the uproar from the right if anyone dare oppose this...
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:21 AM
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58. It's been in place for decades...
...at least since the end of the draft. Chim-Chim's just making unprecedented use of it because of the unprecedented way he's using our forces.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:36 PM
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15. Talk about a 'Tear Jerker'...this is so VERY IMPORTANT....why are we
sending Mari333's son to die...'WE'...there is no 'WE' in this fight...just bush* and the cronies that will make a bundle on this war.

When people like Peter today asked the woman who said 1/2 of the nation is stupid...(ignorant is probably a better word to use) and when Peter questions her (us/the Democrats) we should ask back....why do 70% believe Sadaam had something to do with 9/11 when even bush* had to disavow that belief???

Or when Brian Lamb challenges people who say the multitude are brainwashed..and he comes back with oh, you think so.....

WHY DO 70% OF THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA THINK SADAAM HUSEIN WAS CONNECTED TO 9/11???

Ignorance sends people to die for ignorant people...and I do not want Mari333's son to die because Brian Lamb does not think people are brainwashed, or Peter does not think 50% of America is ignorant...because it IS THE TRUTH!!
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LeftofU Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:37 PM
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16. Excellent rant...
My heart goes out to you.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:39 PM
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17. Wonderful William.
Too bad we couldn't get it to go mainstream. The San Francisco Chronicle has a forum and so does the LA Times for ordinary citizens to vent.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:40 PM
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18. What, truthout isn't mainstream?
:)

We're getting there.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:48 PM
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19. I was thinking more like in print.
Yes, Truthout is mainstream and "numero uno" on the net.:-)
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:58 PM
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27. now if you let me hook-you-up
with SLASHCODE you would not only be SYNDACATED you'd be SMOKIN ;->

slashcode is the best 'blog' software out there. if you are interested give me a shout.

peace
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 03:46 AM
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50. "Truth" Is Mainstream
And we're getting there.

I just wish the only things we had to worry about were a Sox/Cubs World Series in the peace, prosperity and economy that Clinton left for the next "leader."
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:17 PM
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20. Kick for Mari
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:22 PM
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21. great choice!
right on! I hope it gets shared far and wide. It's real and it's important.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:22 PM
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22. Outstanding
This was a great piece of writing.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:24 PM
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23. This is why the american people are ignorant of the truth , also
http://www.msnbc.com/news/981889.asp?0cv=KB20
No one is showing the body bags. The Rove blackout is on.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:45 PM
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24. Thank you, William
You did a good thing and this military spouse applauds you.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:55 PM
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25. thanks!
great article :toast:

i hope more folks get a chance to learn of the PAIN and HEARTACHE this evil admin is putting REAL PEOPLE through.

peace
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:56 PM
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26. Will that's great!
Thanks from another Mama. And thanks for sharing your story Mari333!

Thoughts/prayers are with you and yours.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:24 PM
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28. listen to Mari.....

here:

mms://66.40.9.62/theguyjamesshow.com/GJAMES031018.mp3

or, www.theguyjamesshow.com

she in the 10/18 show, comes on about 30 minutes into the show.

(me, I'm in the last hour)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:25 PM
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29. MAGB == Mothers Against George Bush
Wish it could be snazzier.
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ronzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:42 PM
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30. hmmm.
Mothers against W?
:shrug:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:45 PM
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31. MAW
Definitely has a better twist.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:50 PM
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32. MAWW
Mothers Against W's War
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:54 PM
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34. You win.
MAWW it is.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:09 PM
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35. Where do I sign up?
I'm a toddler mom and in tears right now and mad as hell at W.

And I'm really, really sorry for what you are going through, Mari333.
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srpantalonas Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 07:53 PM
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33. start a petition
and then a march. it's time to kick bush in the nuts and get these kids back home.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:10 PM
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36. You are a good man Will Pitt!!
And you are a courageous lady Marianne!!

If only there were more people who weren't afraid to let the truth-out!
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:55 PM
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39. what jab105 said
Marianne, thank you for writing about this. I'll be lighting a candle for him at my UU church on Sunday. Bobby sounds like an exceptional young man. It takes bravery to tell personal stories - and I know many many more will be moved by your story. (big hugs, too)

Will Pitt - once again, you prove to be a generous human. Thanks. :thumbsup:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:48 PM
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37. Now this is what we call "Support the Troops"!
I'm so proud of Marianne and Will.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:15 PM
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41. If you think about how Junta Boy's supporters...
Edited on Mon Oct-20-03 09:16 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...use the phrase 'support the troops', it works out in practice to:

I'm too busy, or too important, or too prosperous, to go and do it myself, so why don't you go kill some strange, dark, far-away people for me, so I can experience some vicarious thrill, some sense of superiority to someone, because no one takes me seriously at my job, or in my community."

It pains me to hear the phrase 'support the troops' so used by these mendacious bastards, because it keeps those of us who really support the troops from using it.

When Junta Boy and his regime are finally gone, the very language we use, as much as Congress, or the US Code, or the Federal Register, will need a thorough cleaning....
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:01 PM
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40. The essay is now live on truthout
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:27 PM
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42. Kick
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:54 PM
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43. I have tears in my eyes after reading your story.
Marianne, my thoughts and prayers are with both you and your wonderful son.

Hugs!

Peace to you both,

PartyPooper

O8)
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Friar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 03:40 AM
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49. me too n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:15 AM
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52. Me Three
:hug::grouphug::hug:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:55 PM
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44. Kickin it
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:38 PM
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45. Another
:kick:
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 11:21 PM
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47. Thank You Mrs. Brown
May your son be protected and peace follow him everywhere.

The hardest part for many of us is that an illegal pResident can send our children off to an illegal war fought only for illegal goals (to enrich the wealthy).

Your son is an honorable and heroic figure and represents the best of America.

pResident Bush represents the worst.

However please have some faith in the knowledge that there is goodness and truth in the universe and there is protection for the good.

Thank you for the courage to speak out for ALL of us who love peace and justice for all.



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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 02:30 AM
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48. I sent the link to my little lists.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 06:44 AM
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53. God, Marianne.....what a piece!
My son Tom is 19, so I can relate just a little bit.....

I think I would take my son to Canada......

:hug:

Keep us posted,

DemEx
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:30 AM
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55. Really powerful.
Thanks for the link.
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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 07:54 AM
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56. Very Powerful . . .
Read Marianne's story last night before I went to bed. Didn't get much sleep. Didn't expect to. I hope that getting this out there makes a difference for her and her son. Will - if more people were looking out for others, as you have done, there'd be less heartache all around.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:06 AM
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57. I wish for the best Marianne
For you, and your son. If I could I'd reach accross the world to bring him here safely to your arms, peace be with you.
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birdman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:21 AM
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59. Fantastic article, Marianne
and props to Will Pitt for putting it in Truthout.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:40 AM
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63. Very moving
My sons are 9 and 11. Sign me up for MAWW.

Bush's war is not worth one drop of our children's blood.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:51 AM
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64. Why not PAWW?
Parents Against W's War.

Guys want to protect their kids too! :pals:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 09:04 AM
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65. Thank you again Will
I woke up this morning and realized I only have til Friday to send this out to every Senator and Congressperson I have the emails of..
and everyone else I know..its all I can do.
In the meantime, all the thousands of families like mine out there are going thru the same thing, and WORSE...No one is putting a human face on these kids or families. Thank you for allowing me to.
Please, send this out to every news source, Senator, Congressman, you want, anyone..I speak for thousands of mothers, not just me. There are parents looking at baby pictures of their sons and daughters now, weeping horribly, because they will NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN.
The madness has to end. It has to. Maybe if a human face is put on it, it will.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 09:45 AM
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67. It was my privilege
You should know that truthout has a large readership on the Hill; we can track who forwards what to whom. Odds are this has already been read by a lot of staffers. Not to stop you from sending this, but to let you know that a few of your recipients will have already read this.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:31 AM
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68. My boy is only 6
and I worry every day about his future -- especially since the 2000 theft/election.

People think that my worry is off-base or premature. They don't remember watching the TV news during the 70s. Well I remember. I remember waiting to see which friend's older brother would be called up next in the draft. I remember.

What you wrote went straight to my heart.

My deepest prayers are with you. I want your boy home too.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 10:32 AM
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69. Kick
Kick for Mari's boy.
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:21 AM
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73. I read Mari333's original post and recognize with a quickness:
...a Mother's Love. I know I miss mine. But her post left me with an additional form of saddness. A saddness born of this aspect: false advertising = buyer beware. I have daughters. They have been successful. Still & Regardless; we all care that all our children 'Be All That They Can Be'. Red, white & blue balloons are lofted up; while here not Ford Tough, Ram Charging, Chevrolet: The Heartbeat Of America trucks but non-descript, everday work trucks are bounced across a golden, range'y America The Beautiful sunrise with a novel little dust trail for no one in particular to eat raw as the notion of a professional, volunteer, peacetime armed force emerges which has appeal, a known quanity...reason. Affording them the means to bring their lives into adulthood along with a sense of corp di espri; Kodak Moments clad in a clean, pressed, and respectable uniform. But then something...odd...this way comes in the shape-shifting forms of D. Cheney, D. Rumsfeld, J. Poindexter and all is cast into the winds of war.

A great saddness indeed this way comes ~
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 02:37 PM
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74. Whoa ma'am
Am I too thick, too "not into poetry" or is your prose somewhat scrambled? :crazy:

Oh, and KICK.
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salmonhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:35 PM
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75. Prose ~
(prz)
n.
Ordinary speech or writing, without metrical structure.
Commonplace expression or quality.
Roman Catholic Church A hymn of irregular meter sung before the Gospel.
intr.v. prosed, pros·ing, pros·es
To write prose.
To speak or write in a dull, tiresome style.



The issue is in the end Mari333's heart ~

And yes: KICK again for her expression...
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-03 10:36 AM
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76. Ha! I KICK you back!
So there! :evilgrin:
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