Who wouldn't FISA have rubber stamped? The law even provides

[BR_Parkway]

72 hours after the fact notification for those time sensitive emergencies. If there were any suspicion about a group or an individual, FISA would have blessed it and signed the warrant - even if a couple of days later once Shrub showed them why they needed to start prior to approval.

Well, FISA would not have ok'd warrants if they were looking at:

• Democrats
  
• the ACLU
  
• anyone opposing John Bolton nomination
  
• the Kerry Campaign
  
• Cindy Sheenan
  
• Jon Stewart
  
• anyone running an anti-Bush website
  
• any anti war protestors
  
• any reporters speaking out against the admin's policies
  
• Dennis Kucinich
  
• Congressional Black Caucus
  
• Maureen Dowd
  
• John Conyers
  
• anyone involved in the Ohio election litigation
  
• Arrianna Huffington
  
• Senators and Congressmen speaking out loud
  
• any ReThug Senators/Congressman that Delay said weren't going along with the program
  
• Patrick Fitzgerald
  
• anyone talking about the DSM
  
• anyone filing FOIA papers for the Abu Gahrib pictures
  
• Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame
  
• George Tenent/Colin Powell - to make sure they never spoke up
  
• any of the admin people who left and wrote a negative book
  
• Andy Stephenson
  
• or anyone else that spoke against this misAdministration
  

Ok, you get the idea. In short - if ShrubCo went to FISA and said "muslim, phone call" they would have gotten a warrant. If they said "Al Quaida, flashlight" - guaranteed rubberstamp. If they tapped my phone, then told FISA 3 days later because they thought I had made a call to a guy who once typed Osama bin Laden four years ago in a Yahoo forum - FISA would have approved it - Congress would have changed the law - the general public would have supported a change even - everything changed 9/11.

The only people they couldn't get the info on legally, wouldn't have been able to get the law changed for or gone to FISA even after they'd listened in - are people like the ones listed above.

Me, and if you're reading this, you.




(even makes one wonder what they learned about Lieberman to keep him so firmly in check all this time)

[harpo]

1. ASScroft...just once though

[emald]

2. I'd goddamned well better be on that list

because I'm a patriot who believes in the law and the constitution and has twice completed enlistments with two honorable discharges. I want to be on the list. Come and take me you insulated prick; in fact your so texas tuff come on by yourself asshat and "bring it on".

FUCK Y0U TWITWAD MONKEY FACE pRESIDENT

Sincerely, I am ready for revolt, this had gone to far and unless we stop it now it will be the end of the united states, maybe already to late.

I'm mad, disappointed, scared and frustrated by this loser and his cabal.

[rosesaylavee]

3. Other DU threads discussing this are here:

Ashcroft turned down by FISA to do this in 2002
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5627809

NSA using this info for what?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5628387

How did you come up with the list? Is there a link to what FISA approves?

No doubt most of us on DU are on the WH list. I hope I get to read it some day to verify... :)

[BR_Parkway]

5. No, I put the list together by thinking about who would FISA have

said no to? Who could ShrubCo not risk asking about? They didn't even try to get the approvals apparently. If you wanted to eavesdrop, but you can't go ask the lawful body charged with saying OK, what do you do? Just break the law apparently.

You sure can't go into court "hey judge, we've only got 4 months until the election and we need to listen to John Edwards cell phone - eh, em, we've had a report that his campaign staff might be infiltrated by terraists and need to check it out" or "your honor, there's this prosecutor down in TX, name Ronnie Earl - and we think he's been laundering some cash for AlKyda - can we have your John Hancock right there?"

[rosesaylavee]

7. Makes sense. Also your reference to Joe and

what they "have on him"... My list is growing re people who used to be, in my opinion, pretty outspoken and reasonable but have now changed inexplicably: McCain, Lieberman, Tim Russert are ones I wonder about most.

Maybe I am more aware of what the heck is going on better than a few years ago but these three seem to have changed the most. McCain especially - these people savaged him and his family during the 2000 campaign. :shrug:

[BR_Parkway]

8. Well, who would have thought a God fearing upright moral man like

Bill O'Reilly (ok, I almost :puke: typing that sarcasm) would have used the telephone to have sex with pasta?

Seriously, who knows what you might learn about someone if you listened in? Maybe 'ole Joe I'mreallyaRepublican gets off on being tied up by a 19yo wearing a Nixon mask, forced to watch FAUX news and being beat every time anyone says "liberal"

"Duke" got busted for $2.4 million, cash isn't the only way to gain someone's cooperation. Blackmail has been speculated many, many times around DU. And after some of the crimes this cabal has pulled, blackmail seems so benign, certainly not unthinkable

[Marie26]

4. That's why hearings are so important

Congress can find out who is on that list. Even if Bush claims "national security" prevents it from becoming public, the Congressmen have security clearances & can see that information. It's just got to be revealed to someone outside Bush's cabal so that people can find out what's really going on. If Bush is really using this thing to investigate, say, Micheal Moore, we are truly facing grounds for impeachment.

[tulsakatz]

6. I believe you're right about that........

....I remember reading somewhere on these boards yesterday, someone said that the main objective for this kind of snooping is usually blackmail. And I keep thinking about it more and more. Blackmail........

We all know these guys are in the gutter when it comes to campaigning and politics. What reason do we have to assume they would govern any differently?

They're clearly not good at convincing people when it comes to debating and presenting a clear argument. And when that fails, they always rely on that old standard.........blackmail and mud slinging!!

[cry baby]

9. David Sirota has great thoughts on this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/the-most-important-questi_b_12499.html