I Got Asked to Leave Wal-Mart This AM....sort of

[rsmith6621]

My wife got my a$$ out of bed this AM at 0700 to go and finish up last minute WAR on Christmas shoppin(LOL). As usual my wife sends me off in one direction to pickup some goods and then it takes me 25 minutes and a 1/4 mile walk to find her. In the mean time Im looking at all the made in China,India,Chiluhunka,Valortranki ect items. Over in the Toy section they have a M1 Abrahms remote control tank that is about 30 inches long and sells for $200.00. While looking at the display I looked up towards the top of the shelf and saw a IN HOUSE MADE SIGN that said..."Your Child Can Be A Real Patriot With this as a gift this Christmas".......

Well I asked to see the the highest level person in management for clarification....when he came over I asked him who made the sign,he said it was in house.....I asked him if the sign had to be approved before it was put up....he said no....I then asked if the sign was an appropirate message to send to our childern.....he then asked me what my problem was.....I then said being a Patriot does equal going to war....being a Patriot doesnt mean killing innocent people.......being a Patriot doesnt mean.....putting on a uniform or giving 4 years of your life in military service.....nor does it mean supporting the president........I told him actually being a patriot is using diplomacy to avoid war,protecting the freedoms our constitution grant us by being a voice in our own communitys..... speaking up and out when our president/leaders lie us into things that are not true including the war that toy is being used for real in Iraq......then I turned the toy over and said...Wal-Mart use to be into the MADE IN THE U.S.A. mantra and toutet how patriotic they were as a result of it but it appears as though that isnt true anymore....the Tank was made in Taiwan. Whats up with that I asked him.........he paused and then asked me if I was ready to leave....I said he would have to ask my wife....

I did get in one more jab...I asked him if he was a Christian.....oh yes he said proudly......I asked him if he is against abortion....yes defintley he said....I said not much.....he said explain.....I said by selling items made in China you are supporting forced abortion thus that makes you a hypocrite to your own teachings.......

He then proceded to tell me to finish my shopping done quickly and leave.

Im confused....who won this battle.

[LaurenG]

1. There was no Clear winner but

I think you made him re think his stance. I don't like that place and good for you for standing up against it.

[SharonAnn]

13. If you spent money there, then Wal-Mart won. They're in the sales

business. You supported their business.

If you didn't spend money there, then they didn't win.

[thefool_wa]

20. That's the truth right there.

I hate myself for spending money at wal-mart. I feel dirty for needing to save $1.50 on face wash and $6 on diapers over any other competing (and just as evil) mega-store in my area. I want to stop, but they (the man and his ilk) manage to keep my wages low enought that I have no other choice.

Damn the man, save the empire.

[oldtime dfl_er]

2. I won.

If you stopped shopping at WalMart and won't shop there anymore, then the "little guy", the working person, won. I'm not going to say you should'nt be in WalMart in the first place, I'm only going to congratulate you on taking a stand!


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[musette_sf]

3. you will have won

if you never set foot in there again. these fvckers need to have the hurt put on them, and the only hurt they understand is $$$$$$$$.

[Ian David]

4. You're a freedom-hating Rejectionist

And that is very high praise indeed!

Good work!

[acmavm]

5. You did silly. He had nothing to say in his (and Walmart's) defense so

he took the only out he could. He told you to get out of his yard and he doesn't want to play with you anymore.

[POAS]

6. You made your point, I doubt he heard it. n/t

[pennylane100]

7. It's hard to win a battle against a closed mind

but you sure gave it a good try.

[RagingInMiami]

8. Just by getting kicked out of Wal-Mart is a win my book

But you gave him something to think about for the rest of the day.

[jonnyblitz]

9. I love people like you!

:thumbsup: you are the winner here in my book..

[uppityperson]

10. Good thing to do, talk with the manager

You probably won't change his mind, but it is very good to express your feelings about this sort of crap. Eventually, with enough people saying so, and enough bs being publicized, may make a difference. Besides, it is necessary to speak out, otherwise the controllers have won.

[madeline_con]

11. ....I said he would have to ask my wife....

:rofl:

"Im confused....who won this battle."

You obviously won, if you riled him enough to be asked to leave. They "can't handle the truth".

KUDOS!

[Obamanaut]

12. Don't know who won the battle, but I just added you to my hero list

That was outstanding, and I sometimes wish I were young again so I could learn how to do that!

[sandrakae]

14. Please send this to Walmart. Here is a link.

http://walmartstores.com/GlobalWMStoresWeb/navigate.do?catg=221

[marions ghost]

39. yes I agree

--complain to Wal Mart upper management about the offensive posting of a sign equating patriotism with war toys. That's who needs to hear it. But congratulations for not just walking away in anger and frustration. These people who are spreading their personal "gospel" need to get the other viewpoint some way, since the media isn't doing it.

[leftchick]

15. You have inspired me

I have always wanted to ask someone in charge at my bank Why The Fuck is faux news on every tv?? I just may do it this week. :)

[yorkiemommie1]

52. i'm boycotting Macy's over that issue

went back and forth w/ them. wrote the president and ended up cutting up my card and sending it back to them.

[LiberalFighter]

16. Were there any other shoppers or even employees within earshot???

If so... EXCELLENT

Because then he can't keep it to himself. What happen will probably spread outside the store in the community.

[Coyote_Bandit]

17. I hear there were a busload of protesters

in the last couple of days at a Wally World in northwest Arkansas - the belly of the beast - who were protesting because the company has been working on some gay friendly advertising. Hope the gays don't buy into the company BS and I hope the fundies boycott the place.

[trixie]

19. Why would you even step foot in a WalMart?

:shrug:

[Coyote_Bandit]

27. I'm not defending the place

Simply pointing out that there are now fundies protesting their business practices - although for all the wrong reasons.

There are some folks who have little choice but to shop at Wally World.

Go to some of the rural areas of the country where other businesses have been forced out by the monster. I personally know someone who opened a small store in northeast Texas and was unable to compete with Wally World because they could not offer the same range of goods and products and because they could not obtain the same volume discounts from suppliers. Are you willing to invest the time and gasoline to drive 40 miles or so one way (80 miles round trip) to avoid shopping at Wally World? I can take you to several places where you would have to do just that.

Also consider the unemployed and underemployed among us who are barely able to get by financially. I don't condemn those who must be as frugal as possible to survive. I personally am acquainted with folks who are required to be frugal - they shop the sales, use coupons, look for mark down items approaching their expiration date, patronize the dollar stores, consignment stores and goodwill stores - and sometimes shop at Wally World. Many of these folks can tell you the price of items they buy frequently to the penny. They are not shopping at Wally World because it is convenient or because they like their business practices. They are investing the time and effort necessary to stretch the purchasing power of their income as far as possible. They have to - count yourself fortunate not to be in their position.

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[DJ MEW]

32. Speaking as one of them

We tend to shop in stores that have more, class, then that. I personally like to get my clothes from the Gap, or American Eagle and my food from either the local market or the peoples food Co-Op.

Fuck Wal-Mart

[Coyote_Bandit]

43. Great!

Good for you. I don't see anybody here defending Wally World. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone were so fortunate to have the same opportunity as you? Unfortunately, Wally World is fast becoming the "company store" for many of the less fortunate members of our society and as I noted in an earlier post here there are many rural residents who have very few if any choices where to shop. Before we condemn folks for shopping at Wally World we really ought to consider the circumstances in which some of those customers live.

[DJ MEW]

45. agreed, but

Wal Mart is a trap. Even though some people may not have any other options or can't afford any other options the net negative effect of the Wal Mart store on a local area is to stifle the growth of an area. If all shops were locally owned the wealth of a community would stay in that community, instead of being exported one pair of cheap shoes at a time. Large scale stores like Wal Mart also destroy the bond that forms between community members, since the level of personal contact with store workers and owners is reduced.

[Boojatta]

18. What is your source of info on countries and their governments?

"....the Tank was made in Taiwan. <...> I said by selling items made in China you are supporting forced abortion thus that makes you a hypocrite to your own teachings..."

If a salesperson tells you that if you buy "made in Taiwan" then you should buy something "made in China", then don't buy either the product or the rhetoric.

The government of China wants you to think of Taiwan as part of China.

[formercia]

21. I think the comment about forced abortions

and supporting a regime that orders them and a company that makes a large percetage of their profit on Chinese made goods is a great way to make pro-life people think about where they spend their money.

[DeadManInc]

22. LMFAO!! Way to put it to him.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

23. I think that you probably shortened your life by a few weeks

with what you did to your blood pressure.

But it was a stupid sign.

However, maybe you stepped over the line by asking his religion, views on abortion, etc.

Damn, that would have ruined by whole day. You are stronger than I am.

[Boojatta]

24. Answer to your question

"I'm confused....who won this battle"

You both lost. Your enemy is falsehood and injustice. Knee-jerk "patriots" aren't your enemy. When you make a sale, you and the customer should both win.

[ananda]

25. Wal-mart won..

It's all about the money and the culture of corruption.

No matter what you say, if you give them your business, they win.

[smitty]

26. Who won?

No one won. Both sides felt self-righteous and vindicated, but it was actually a pointless exchange.

[fudge stripe cookays]

28. Sorry, but if...

you dropped even a dollar in there, YOU lost. No matter how poor I get, and no matter how much it hurts me financially, I will NEVER shop at Wal-Mart.

You get what you pay for. As far as I'm concerned, shopping there pays for the complete destruction of our economy AND our way of life.

Spend at your peril.

[hfojvt]

29. I would say that you lost

you covered too much ground instead of sticking to the original point that patriotism is more than being in the military. You went off on a rant which attacked Wal-mart too, and finally had to personally attack him as well, over policies like "made in China" over which he has no control. You just convinced him that you are a left-wing obnoxious nut. What is going to happen if you knock on his door with some campaign literature?

[Boojatta]

33. policies like "made in China" over which he has no control ... huh?

Type the words "forced", "abortion", and "Taiwan" into your favorite search engine. See what happens. I get such items as:

"<...> Taiwan and China <...> split in 1949. Despite this, there have been many marriages between Chinese and Taiwanese citizens.

Taiwan allows pregnant Chinese spouses who do not have residency rights to extend their stay, so they can give birth on the island and avoid forced abortion."

[hfojvt]

38. that sorta makes my point

the "made in China" comment was not about the tank, which was made in Taiwan, which is not yet part of China. That comment was about all the other stuff in Wal-mart which is made in China. The argument does not stay on point, might as well bring Santa into it too.

Peace bro, we know Taiwan is not part of China.

[The Wielding Truth]

30. Thank you for placing a seed of common sense in that robot mind.

I am so proud of how and what you said. You can see beyond the party line .Well I guess that's why you are here. You are really an American!

[babylonsister]

31. Kudos for being so incensed

at the sign that you took action. I would have mumbled to myself and wandered on, IF I shopped there. (I do, however, go to Sam's Club occasionally as it's the only big box game in town where I live). I don't know what the mgr. could have done, though if the customer is always right, they could have removed the sign. At least you'll sleep with a clear conscience.
Do you go off like that often? LOL! :thumbsup:

[mandomom]

34. If you still spent money in the store, the manager is the winner.

But you may have opened avenues for consideration of new rules of the game for future skirmishes.

[Contrary1]

35. He had no intelligent response, you won;

but the victory would have been oh so much sweeter had you and your
wife said "Oh, but we are finished shopping, here's our cart...you won't
mind putting all this Taiwanese stuff back on the shelves, would you?

Thanks so much, and have a happy, happy holiday."

[Boojatta]

36. Motive for "putting all this Taiwanese stuff back on the shelves"?

"Taiwan allows pregnant Chinese spouses who do not have residency rights to extend their stay, so they can give birth on the island and avoid forced abortion."

If someone wishes to challenge the above information and provide a source that contradicts the above information, then please do so.

[watercolors]

37. You gave him something to think about1

i,d say you were right in speaking up, I do it often. It just makes them think and possibly see another viewpoint, no harm in that.

[graywarrior]

40. Why do you hate America?

Today I stepped into WAL-FART for the first time in 6 months because Mr. Graywarrior didn't want to spend $5.00 for a 3 ring binder at Staples. It felt wrong to even be in there.

WAL-FART is like a sneaky drug, like when you find yourself all of a sudden eating potato chips when you've been abstinent for a year. Plus, everytime I've been in one, I witness a lowly worker being chastised by a manager.

Mr. Gray was warned that he will pay the consequences later for making me go in there.

[arikara]

47. LOL... give it to him, it works!

I do the same with Mr. Arikara when he wants to go there. I lecture him all the way there about cheap crap made in sweatshops, low LOW wages, mistreatment and no benefits for the workers, towns full of family stores forced to shut down... then I sit in the car while he's shopping. When he comes out I carry on some more.

He thinks long and hard before he makes a trip to the evil empire because he pays for it big time. I keep meaning to make up some leaflets so that I can leaflet car windows while he's shopping but the fact is he so dreads going there with me now that it only happens about once a year.

I think he sneaks over every now and then though because I still come across those insipid smiley bags occasionally.

[lpbk2713]

41. Next step ... Send a copy of this thread to Wally World home office.

Obviuosly this guy was too arrogant and too pompous to care what you thought about his store's political stance.

Did this happen in a Florida Wal-Mart by any chance? It's obvious their local management still has a long way to go in learning how to deal with the public. Your episode with this asshole comes on the heels of another recent event that points out how Wal-Mart could not care less about their customers, only the profit they can make from them.

Link: http://www.tampabays10.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=22528

This is the story about the black man who Wal-Mart wanted arrested because he was there to pick up some gift cards for his employer. He did the right thing after he left their store. He went to their competitor (Target) and purcashed over thirteen thousand dollars worth of cards there instead.

Point is, by his actions this manager is just proclaiming loudly that the corporate apologies that were issued in the Tampa screw-up were just the usual Wal-Mart lip service and that they will go on with business as usual.

[smoogatz]

42. You lost every way possible.

You gave them your money in exchange for cheap Chinese crap, AND you let the manager throw you out, AND the offensive sign is still up.

[Triana]

44. you need to educate your wife about Mal-Wart

...and you need to encourage her NOT to shop there. Ever. You could refuse to set foot in the store and if she still chooses to, let her go alone.

The best way to chastise the bastards is NOT to give them your business.

For God's sake, get the Wal-Mart movie and get your wife to watch it. I'd be willing to bet she'd think twice about setting foot in the place again - or about asking you to.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

46. I would have (with a straight face) suggested that they put up

another sign:

Be A Patriot Youth: Spy On Your Parents!

You could always tell him, "Hey, your president encourages spying on our citizens, so why not teach the kiddies to start young and start at home?"

Wonder how he would have answered that?

[blue neen]

48. As far as I'm concerned, he had no grounds to ask you to leave.

You were exercising your first amendment rights by stating your opinion of the store's sign. You gave that opinion to the manager of the store in what sounds like a respectful manner.

He certainly isn't a patriot. He's a fascist.

[rosesaylavee]

49. We all win when each of us

confronts what is wrong in our community. The man may not have heard you today but don't doubt he will be replaying the conversation over and over again in his head and descriptions to his family. If he is a fair and good man, he will eventually understand what it was you were trying to tell him.

Good for you. Thanks for taking a stand on my behalf.

[DanCa]

50. LOL I loved that abortion line - can I use it?

[femrap]

51. I have never done this....but when I go into a

Walmart, all I want to do is take a razor to all of the clothes.

I just don't go there anymore....except on occasion to buy cat litter...Walmart has the best clumping litter....I have tried every brand....and Walmart's is the best and the cheapest. PooP.

Does anyone remember Abbie Hoffman's book, "Steal This Book?" Our culture is so much more regimented now than in the early '70's when this book was published,

Does anyone think about the 'theory of skipping generations?' So far I am very disappointed.

[yorkiemommie1]

53. instead of razoring their clothes

you could make copies of the flyers on Justicefornone.com and stick them in the pockets, in the restrooms, in the carts. I don't go to WM but I do that in other stores. If U put them in carts, stick them under the flap in the kiddie seats, they won't fly away then.

in fact, every time i go somewhere i make sure i have my supply of flyers.

[4_TN_TITANS]

54. Agree w/most - if you spent, you lost.....

Give doing business with the 'little-guy' a try. It might cost more, but most small business owners will absolutely bend over backwards to earn and retain you as a customer. Plus, you know who you are dealing with and they care.

[bullwinkle428]

55. Ah guess you're just one of them...defeatists!! (n/t)