I listened to two ministers on a radio talk program advocate scabs if

[no_hypocrisy]

need be regarding the possible shut down of the New York Transit System this week.

Boy, things have changed since Eugene Debbs was around.

These guys have a regular one-hour religious program on WABC in NYC (non-fundamentalist wackos, but conservative). There used to be two other ministers who were relatively liberal in contrast to these two guys, but management 86'd them.

Anyway, I'm listening to them go on about how disruptive a strike would be (true), and that there are intractable positions (true), and then it's the WORKERS who are the problem with the stalling of negotiations. After all, they aren't "slave labor" (their words), they have a "generous salary with good benefits", "pensions cost corporations a lot of money and why wouldn't asking the workers to contribute only one percent be all right" and "a lot of people would be happy to take their jobs".

I'm speechless.

[KitchenWitch]

1. ...

It used to be that Christian Ministers would advocate for the little guy, you know, stop poverty, etc. Now many are shilling for the greedy corporate interests...BASTARDS.

[acmejack]

2. Like politicians, they know where the money is.

[fasttense]

3. Did they thank Jesus for corporate America?

You know how Jesus would have encouraged corporations making a profit off of the workers and poor. Yup, yup, yup, Jesus was a corporate shill just like these pastors. :sarcasm:

[B Calm]

4. I had a religious co-worker tell me, it's in the bible that we

should obey our masters. I was complaining about how the company forced hourly workers to take a lousy 15 cent an hour pay reduction..

[KitchenWitch]

5. Obviously your coworker was a follower of Liberation Theology

:sarcasm:

[B Calm]

8. Are followers of Liberation Theology into being oppressed and

exploited by rich, capitalist assholes?

[KitchenWitch]

11. No, quite the opposite.

:hi:

[tsuki]

6. This is the reason that churches should be taxed. They are

inserting themselves into politics.

[pnorman]

7. The "wisdom" and even the "justice"

of such a strike, and at such a time and place, can be discussed here. But those BASTARDS would have the same SCABBY response to EVERY strike! Outsource them all.

pnorman
"The rights and interests of the laboring man will be protected and cared for -- not by the labor agitators, but by the Christian men of property to whom God has given control of the property rights of the country, and upon the successful management of which so much depends." --- George Baer, coal miner operater, during the 1902 coal strike

[yankeedem]

9. Outsource clerics

Really, what is it that they do that can't be done cheaper by someone from the 3rd world?

They get
-Subsidized or free housing
-Decent salary
-Free healthcare
-Sponsored travel
-Retirement

Can't we just get ministers, rabbis and priests from another country, and then when we're done with them, ship them back? Is it fair to expect congregants to pay bloated benefits?

(Only somewhat tounge in cheek)

[Al-CIAda]

10. They're likely on the take from their corporate masters-

A Conservative Christian Republican asks: Are "Paid For" Christians Hypocrites in how they Vote?
by Karl W. B. Schwarz


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Are Your Tax Dollars Funding Pat Robertson?

Taking a closer look at Operation Blessing International

“Lynn cited televangelist, Pat Robertson's comments on the 700 Club that an angry God had allowed the 9/11 terrorist attacks to succeed in retribution against a corrupt American society.What surprised many commentators at the time was that much of the criticism of the Bush initiative was coming from the religious right itself, including Pat Robertson. Early this year, Robertson denounced the Bush proposal, warning that the program is a "Pandora's Box" that could make legitimate religious charities dependent on government and that the government would end up financing "cults that brainwash" prospective adherents. He went on to tell his 700 Club television audience that the groups getting such funding "will begin to be nurtured, if I can use that term, on federal money, and then they can't get off of it." He added, "It'll be like a narcotic; they can't then free themselves later on."All the more surprising then, that among the very first organizations to be funded by the Bush administration's new program is Operation Blessing International, a Virginia Beach charity created by Robertson. This group is to receive $500,000 in the first wave of grants to be distributed under the faith-based initiative. The award to Operation Blessing is one of 25 announced on October 3rd by Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson. Aside from the irony involved in Robertson's own organization applying for and then accepting such "addictive" government funding, one needs to take a closer look at the finances of Operation Blessing International.”

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Now, imagine what you just read. Pat Robertson comes out condemning Bush and the 9-11 attacks as being “on a sinful nation” and then turns around, applies for the federal money he defines as “addictive”, accepts it, and then advises Christians to go out and vote for Bush on the abortion and gay marriage issues. I wonder if it has occurred to Pat to condemn the rampant corruption, greed, killing, empire building, deceit, fiscal irresponsibility, Corporatization of our government and fascism that has taken hold of our government and our nation?

As far as I am concerned, Pat Robertson’s counsel was bought and paid for, subject to impeachment on that issue alone, and I did not listen to him at all. I was paying attention to matters that are undermining this nation from within and without and none of them have anything whatsoever to do with abortion or gay marriage. They have to do with evil, corruption, greed, and fascism, and this nation acting in a manner that is most Un-Godly all the way up to George W. Bush.

I know many “discerning ecumenical Christians” that did not vote for Bush – Cheney 2004 for three reasons and those reasons alone were enough to not listen to “lock-step Religious Right Fascism”. First, the entire world knows that Bush – Cheney lied to us all, but for some reasons the Christians “just don’t get it.’ Lying is not a Christian virtue – it is a warning sign. Secondly, it is glaringly apparent that greed, corruption, shameless empire building and killing others to get control of the oil are going on. For some reason, the Christians “just don’t get it.” Greed and killing others in the name of that greed are not Christian virtues, whether a war hawk or anti-war person. Third, Bush did in fact endorse gay unions at the state level on October 27, 2004, close enough to the elections that most Christians missed the news on that flip-flop. Most Christians I know were paying attention and did not vote for the real “flip-flopper” vote-pandering liar.

Would Jesus lie to the world to justify an attack on another nation, the killing of now over 100,000 Iraqis? No, certainly not, but that is what George W. Bush did and then lied to get the Christian vote. In fact, when all of the federal grants to faith based initiatives are known, bribed the Christian Right vote is not stretching it at all.

Would Jesus lie to the world to justify an attack on Afghanistan to take over the Taliban / Bridas Corporation pipeline and hold that deed, that greed, that killing up high as if some “honorable act?” No, certainly not, but that is what George W. Bush did and then lied to get the Christian vote.

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