VIDEO: Outrageous! QUEEN ELIZABETH'S airfield used for CIA torture flights

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The plot thickens

Published: 16 Dec 2005
By: Channel 4 News

Europe's top human rights watchdog has told President Bush to stop all 'extraordinary rendition' flights taking terror suspects for interrogation abroad at secret detention camps.

And Channel Four News has learned new details about suspected rendition flights through the UK at military airfield, RAF Northolt.

Officially ministers are still insisting that information about flights is not recorded centrally and would prove too costly to provide.

But our foreign affairs correspondent Jonathan Miller has been following the trail.

http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=1365

[lovuian]

1. Queen Elizabeth owe Bush for all the favors he has done for her

this is one of them...

[FreedomAngel82]

4. If you get the Sundance Channel

try to find the film "Torture: It's a Dirty Business." It's a great doc that tells about the torture flights and where they go etc. It's a great doc. A lot I knew already thanks to DU but it's still worth watching and video taping for friends/family to watch. You can check the times at http://www.sundancechannel.com

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5. One doesn't need Sundance. Watch the film here:

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm

[melody]

2. Queen Elizabeth is Bush's distant cousin and member of the Carlyle Group

These guys are surprised?

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3. Melody, you sure about the Carlyle Group?

Distant relative? I wouldn't be surprised. But Carlyle Group? John Major, I heard about. Tony Blair is rumored to be offered a job after they kick him out of office in a few months. But the Queen? Maybe I'm out of touch. Where'd you hear that?

BTW love your website! Go Melody!

[melody]

6. Yup - Coutts Bank

She is on record for the Coutts Bank London account of the Carlyle Trust. It's a joint account that goes
around 100 billion dollars...yes, billion.

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the site!

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. I'd love to see some evidence of that

(not just accusations from rense.com etc.).

[melody]

16. Rense.com?????????????????

You're joking, right?

It has been picked up by all manner of researchers, but Jabez Wilkes has backed up the initial research and he used to be a Royal Bank of Scotland Group insider. There are all manner of cross-over links between Carlyle and Coutts including "good soldiers" being given good jobs, etc. Before Pell took over, Andrew Fisher headed Coutts Bank and he is now over at Carlyle.

There are a number of good skeptical historical researcher who compile information on both European AND American problem children. The Europe-biased ones never notice the Europeans and the US-biased ones ignore the US ones. I try to focus on the word of those who take the middle road, none at all or a neutral position.

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. No, not joking - look up 'queen coutts carlyle' with Google

and the first couple of pages of references are all rense, conspiracyplanet, and Sherman Skolnick. I haven't the faintest idea who Jabez Wilkes is, and can't find a reference to him. That there may be links between Coutts and Carlyle isn't at all surprising, or notable. That doesn't involve the queen. It's the $100 billion joint bank account of the Queen and Carlyle that sounds strange, and which seems worth some evidence.

[melody]

18. Go find a researcher's white paper called Elizabeth R and the Bush Family

It was written by Wilkes, a Royal Bank insider. Not everything written is on the internet. You'll have to seek out a fairly substantive history-related bookstore to find it. If you like, I'll make copies of my own and send them to you.

Coutts bank IS Queen Elizabeth's bank.

You may not like the fact that the Queen is deeply involved with them, but she is. I may well be more English than you are and
it does me no good to think it either, but the ties have been established or I wouldn't cite them. As John Adams once said, facts are
stubborn things and refuse to be dismissed because of theories (or words to that effect). Most people involved in
researching the BFEE know of her links to them and to Carlyle. It's not my job to inform you on those levels, as I've said
before. I can't answer every deficit of knowledge. Go do the reading and the footwork and seek it out yourself, as many others
have done. I suggest approaching it without high hopes of European loftiness over we lowly Americans -- you'll soon find your
illusions as dashed as those who are USA-boosters who go in search of such information. All European nations are involved in
this. All of them, including the ones in North America (except for Mexico, which has its own problems).

Beyond that, it's not my job to inform you. This will be my last post to you.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. A living 'Jabez Wilkes' isn't even found by a Google search

So, for instance, Amazon doesn't have this. No, I am not about to traipse about endless bookshops to look for someone who isn't even referenced on pages that do claim that the queen has a joint bank account with Carlyle. Don't you think that one of them might mention it? Unless you have mispelled it, then yes please, send me a copy. PM me, and I'll give you my address.

Coutts is the queen's bank; but then again, nearly all of us 'have a bank'. She doesn't own it - it's owned by Royal Bank of Scotland. It's 'her bank' in the sense that she has accounts there. That doesn't mean she's involved with the careers of its staff. She doesn't control all the firms she does business with.

You haven't really 'cited' ties yet - you've just asserted them. The nearest to a cite is 'Jabez Wilkes'. You obviously don't hold rense.com as a reliable source, so there must be somewhere else that you think someone informed would have heard of these links . Yet no-one on Google-searchable pages mentions Wilkes. So I presume there is some other reliable source. Name it (in the PM, if you don't want to post here again).

This is no case of 'European loftiness' - I know from your previous posts that you have some British links. But if you think that pages on the Internet that claim this link between the queen and Carlyle are laughable, you ought to give a meaningful reason for why you think an informed person would know of the link.

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14. Thanks melody. BTW, are you familiar with this story out of Ohio?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5622518

[melody]

15. yup, strange how the same names keep swirling around these matters

If Jeb is their golden boy, though, they're in serious trouble. Stolen elections or not, if the citizens start emotionally and economically revolting, the Republicans will be blamed. It'll spell
the permanent end of that party.

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7. KICK for East Coast morning crowd

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8. one more KICK for a good story buried by today's incredible headlines

[Hyernel]

9. I bet she's not amused!

[MisterP]

12. hell, she swore to never invite Bonzo after his Praetorian Guard

obliterated the lawns at Windsor

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. It's not HER airfield

It's an RAF airfield, mainly used for government flights, but also for some civil flights.

http://www.northolt-handling.com/

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13. Of course. Thanks for the clarification from a local, Muriel. However,

the point here is that the field is used by Blair and his executive branch, members of Parliament, diplomats, and military command officers along with The Queen. And she is a symbol for all of them.

And now, right under their noses (and hers), it's being used for torture. That's what makes this such an outrageous story. BTW, have you seen anything in print today about this story as well as Channel 4 last night?

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. The involvement of Northolt isn't a new story

It was in the list of airports 4 weeks ago:

The detainees are flown on privately-registered jets, which frequently make refuelling stops at airports in Britain. The CIA "ghost flights" have also called at RAF bases including Northolt, north of London.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=2265682005

So it's not surprising that there's nothing in print naming it today. All that was new from Channel 4 was that they published the flight numbers and destinations.