Dems are a pro corporate party, don't like it, start your own party

[billbuckhead]

At this point, corporate influence and power in the Democratic party is a fact of life. People who think the Democratic party can be exorcised of corporate influence are totally out of touch with reality. The Dems are a less malevolent form of corporate government then the neoCON dominated Republicans but they are still built around big business. All this kvetching about Dem "traitors" and such is misdirected energy. Either get with the DLC program or start a new anti-corporate party. And those who think Howard Dean is going to lead Dems to some liberal promised land are naive at best and are a big part of the problems.

[xchrom]

1. lol

:popcorn:

[bemildred]

8. Indeed.

:popcorn::popcorn:

Although, I was thinking we could take the party over and bend it to our will.

[xchrom]

''bend it to our will'' oooh

but you do have a way with words.
:woohoo:

[bemildred]

10. I sure hope this is not another juvenile attempt to get attention.

:popcorn:

[bemildred]

12. Maybe we could change the name to Corporocratic Party?

:popcorn:

[xchrom]

14. lol -- you are sooo bad! -- stop it!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

19. Hey everyone ........

:popcorn:

[xchrom]

34. hey!

:popcorn:

[redqueen]

2. I disagree. n/t

[Sparkman]

3. UNLIKE the fascists that pay for the Repubs, Dems are diverse. You should

join those that most appreciate and conform to YOUR preferences!!
Labor is not Corporate, and neither are we.
Lawyers for defense of liberties are not Corporate, and neither are we.
Soldiers dying for the Bill of Rights and patriotic duty DON'T WORK FOR CORPORATIONS!!
You couldn't be further from the truth, imo.

[Deja Q]

4. And given what the corporations are doing, convince me to vote Dem again.

Corporations run it all. They are behind *. They were behind clinton. They were behind poppy. They were behind reagan.

Yet only clinton got accused of treason for dealing with China; none of the others had.

So fuck the game. I have no control. No power. Never will. Don't care for it, I just want to live. Why bother?

You just said the Dems are no different than the 'pugs.

[G_j]

20. Bankruptcy bill, Class Action bill, and a hundred other

moves by those in both parties. They stack the deck more and more every year. The people are losing.
They write the laws, it's not getting better, it's getting worse.

[Vincardog]

5. And we should either vote third party or just give up right Bill?

Bullshit. Find and run real progressive LIBERUUUULLLLSSS. It is hard fighting the "Leadership" but we have to remember IT IS OUR PARTY and OUR GOVERNMENT. We can not let them steal either.

[blm]

6. Dems can be probusiness without being overly procorporate.

It's good business to be environmentally sound and good business to keep your workers healthy and able to contribute to overall society.

[AZBlue]

26. Exactly. When did "corporate" become such a bad word?

That's realy lazy actually. We should take the time to look at a corporation and how it's operated before just dismissing it out of hand.

[Bryan Buchan]

7. And watch the republicans win again and again and again

The only way a third party would be a viable option is to have a party where both dems and repukes stand united, which in most cases is a so called "independant"

Greens will never be viable in my life time, those starting up again a progressive party will never be viable in my life time, etc,etc,

The Democratic party is prime however to be taken over by the "people" away from corp's and money interests! Try starting at the local level.

Peace

Bryan

[BeFree]

24. Exactly

That's why I am now a registered Dem. Being an independent was going nowhere.

It is MY PARTY and WE will take it back. It did venture too far into the corporate lap, (especially since so many of us gave up) but we are back and WE WILL TAKE IT BACK!

[patrice]

9. Hey! We Love GOOD Corporations!

Ones that don't expect tax breaks for everything and treat their employees justly. Don't pollute any more than absolutely necessary and accept responsibility for their environment by providing the public with honest information about their emissions.

[Toots]

11. As Nader said "There is not much difference between the two Parties"

You seem to give that statement credence.

[Terran1212]

13. Most Establishment Democrats are not worth our votes BUT

Denis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, Lynn Woolsley, Cynthia McKinney

These are Dems more than worth voting for.

[stray cat]

16. W vs Gore proves that candidates can differ dramatically

Clinton vs W. Clark vs Rick Santorum Need I say more.

[stray cat]

15. Good luck winning elections without corporate backing

Without election reform in terms of money a candidate can't win for major offices without major money beyond what I will send.

[calico1]

17. Well then...

Just keep voting for 3rd party candidates (I somehow have the feeling you do). So far that has turned out to be an excellent plan! Look how far it has gotten us! :sarcasm:

[AntiFascist]

18. I disagree!!!

I'm pro-business as well, but I would never condone corporate influence in government!! This ought to be kept as separate as separation of church and state, otherwise we LOSE our democracy and become a government of, by and for the corporations. Most of the problems of corruption in government surround lobbying, money laundering, and campaign donations. What you are proposing is that we give up and say live with it.

[undergroundpanther]

21. Corporatism is fascism

Corporations are NOT democratic organizations.
They are Fiefdoms ruled by a king(Ceo).

Dem's who are corporatist Do not understand what the word DEMOCRACY really means.They don't understand the DANGER of trusting authoritarians and authoritarian systems.

Freedom,equal rights,human rights democracy and TYRANNY and Authoritarian top down command as is corporate structures is INCOMPATIBLE with freedom and democracy and the concepts of Equal rights human rights and Equal citizenship.

I disagree Dem's need to stay wary of corporates.

Because corporations are not democratic they are Autocratic and create inequality and suppress freedom.

If Du has turned corporatist,Are you saying DU is cozying up to the principles outlined by the likes of Mussolini?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Two wings of the same capitalist party.

The Dems are (sometimes) not as corrupt as the Pugs, but both serve the same masters.

[undergroundpanther]

23. And their masters are authoritarians

See my post BEWARE THE THIRD WAY. I just put up to see WHY Dem's must not trust corporatism.

[billbuckhead]

27. Democrats are corrupted by corporations and PuKKKes are the corporations

I wanted to throw the remote through the TV screen when Joe Lieberman debated Cheney in the 2000 election. It seemed like Joe was doing a job interview with the miltary industrial complex. I swear to this day that that debate cost us the election more than anything and I've never said a good thing about Lieberman since. Just imagine if he would have shown a spotlight on Cheney back then instead of allowing him to play the grandfather who just happened to be a bloodthirsty daddy warbucks on the side.

I think we have to play these corporations off against each other in some way to have any chance. We need to take the buy blue campaign to a higher level. How hard could it be when one thinks about Walmart? Here's a multinational corporation that has as it's top business partner, the Chinese Communists and has as it's biggest customers, rural red staters. How dumb are progressives? Why isn't a full court press put on Wal Mart by progressives? How have we left Chinese commies take heartland jobs? Bring Walmart and it's ilk to it's knees and we might have a chance.

[mmonk]

25. You mean we're not the party

of God?

[lonestarnot]

28. locking... read 'em and weep.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

29. The Dems from the red states will be bolting from the Party - I've heard

They are afraid they may not be re-elected if they are associated with "liberals."

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. I'm sure most will be back once they're re-elected or by 2008

n/t

[PassingFair]

31. Sounds like YOU got a big dose of Arthur Jensen, son.

You have meddled with the PRIMAL FORCES, Dr. Dean!



http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechnetwork4.html <-----GREAT SITE

[KoKo]

32. Well thanks for Blasting that one out...and getting your point across.....

It will come in time...what you say..

[depakid]

33. The Dems won't last another 10-15 years

Once peak oil really starts to hit- neither one of the current parties is likely to stay in power- for the simple reason that neither will deserve to- and people are going to be mighty pissed off about having lost a good many of their formerly middle class luxuries.

[K-W]

35. All parties will be corporate parties as long as money = ads = votes EOM

[rucky]

36. Why don't the DLC-ers start THEIR own party?

they's got the backing.

why should WE leave?

[The2ndWheel]

37. They know

"Why don't the DLC-ers start THEIR own party?"

third parties have no power in our system. We're lucky we still have two, if not in name only.

"why should WE leave?"

Because "they's got the backing."