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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 06:09 PM
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Retreat & Defeat
By
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Stephen Pizzo
December 12, 2005
Posted in its entirety by permission of the author



For once the Republican attack machine has described the Democrat Party perfectly. Retreat and defeat. It's what Democrats are all about now. I'm not talking about the Democrat's position (if they had one) on Bush's fool's errand of a war in Iraq. I'm talking about how Democrats have flatly refused to stand and fight the war here at home, the war for America's own democracy.

Democrats remind me of the that group of kids in every grammar school whose members were not smart enough to be dorks nor tough enough to be knuckle-dragging jocks. They are stuck in a social vacuum of sorts. Every now and then one of them gets some backbone and declares he's "gonna show those jocks." To which his frustrated friends eagerly egg him on. So he tosses an insult or rock at the school thugs, who of course immediately counter attack. His friends desert him leaving him screaming, "it was an accident, honest. I didn't mean it." After which the thugs would beat the crap out of him anyway.


"Asked about recent comments where Dean trashed Republicans as "evil" and said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay belongs in jail, Biden told ABC's "This Week," "He doesn't speak for me with that kind of rhetoric and I don't think he speaks for the majority of Democrats."

And...



<>Responding to Dean's initial remark, Edwards said Dean "is not the spokesman for the party."Dean is "a voice. I don't agree with it,"
<>

That's today's Democrats. John Murtha, one of the few truly tough guys in the party, stood up and said right out loud – "get out of Iraq, now." I'm sure Murtha didn't wake up that morning and decide to hold a news conference. He almost certainly ran his idea by fellow party members. And, from what I hear, they replied, "Sure John, go ahead. We're right behind you."

When Murtha stepped forward, alone, and fired off that rock, Republicans did what Republicans do best, they attacked. Poor John turned to rally his troops, but they were long gone. Many were clustered for cover around CNN microphones, declaring as loudly as they could, "Murtha? He's not with me," and "Hardly know the guy," and "Sure John's a brave American. No one questions that. But he doesn't speak for me or most other Democrats on this one."


"Hillary Clinton said she respects Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., the Vietnam veteran and hawkish ex-Marine who last week called for an immediate troop pullout. But she added: 'I think that would cause more problems for us in America.'"


Oh you pack of quisling cowards. Run away! Run Away! Retreat and defeat.

This is why Dems never win anymore. And why Americans lose and lose and lose again. We lose jobs, we lose medical care, we lose sons and daughters. Because the when the other side starts shooting Democrats hoist the white flag of surrender and political cowardice. Instead of rallying around defensible positions and yelling "Bring em on! Pass the ammunition," they whimper, "Waffles, damn it! We need more waffles up here. They're killing us with our own words. Pass the friggin waffles!"

Their own party chairman, Howard Dean, is the latest Dem to be left bleeding in no-man's land by his own troops. Dean opened fire on the Bush administration last week, pointing out -- correctly -- that even though President Bush keeps using the term "Victory in Iraq," there can be no American victory in Iraq.

Dean's statement is demonstrably true and nothing Dems should run from. Any victory in Iraq will have to be an Iraqi victory. Because if we declare it an American victory that's just an open invitation to Islamic-poisoned young Arabs world wide to wage never ending Jihad in Iraq to prove us wrong. Just ask the Israelis how "victory" works in that part of the world. An American "victory" means, "Mission Never Accomplished."

Dean's statement was also correct based on the demographic reality Bush so carelessly refers to as "Iraq." When Bush says we are "bringing Democracy to Iraq," he's flat wrong. What he is really trying to do is get three tribes, Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, who hate one another's guts, to live together peacefully under one civil roof. Forget about it. It will never happen. Not in Bush's lifetime, not in his grand kids lifetimes. The best hope for everyone involved is the creation of three autonomous regions who's peoples agree that killing each other – as much fun as it may be -- is simply bad for business.

Republican thugs also attacked Dean for saying that US troops were "terrorizing Iraqi women and children in their own homes." Using the word "terror," was trespassing. "Terror," you see, is apparently now a branded policy trademark of the GOP. They own it and they decide what's terror and what's something else. Anyway, everyone knows that only swarthy people who blow things and themselves up terrorize, not American troops. But, wait, I've seen TV coverage showing American troops breaking into Iraqi homes in the dead of night and lining Iraqi women and their children against a wall. They sure as hell looked terrorized to me.

What Dean said was completely defensible by hard facts and video tape. (Why didn't the DNC immediately put one of those videos up on the their web site asking the question: "Do these Iraqi women and children look terrorized to you?" )

Dean was simply pointing out the obvious, that such raids, if necessary, should be carried out by Iraqi troops, not Americans. And that all we were doing scaring the hell out of Iraqi kids is sowing the seeds of anti-Americanism into a whole new generation of Iraqi kids.

So Dean bravely scrambled out of the trench and engaged the enemy at their most vulnerable places. Then he heard the thunder of his troops feet behind him. Dean turned to find himself alone. Not only did his troops run for cover but they fragged their chairman for good measure, just as they did Murtha earlier. Because those who stand and fight make the rest of them look like what they are, connivers and cowards.

What kind of party is this? What kind of men and women run from the fight they signed up to wage? When we voted for them they pledged to stand and fight for what's right, liberty and the American way. Instead they have done little but collaborate, triangulate and masturbate.

Murtha was right. The job of American soldiers in Iraq is done. They should leave.

And Dean was right. We can't win an American victory in Iraq. (It isn't even clear that an Iraqi victory is possible in Iraq.)

Any first-year college student could debate those positions convincingly. Data, facts, video tape, testimony supporting those positions is piled up all over Washington like cord wood. It's not exactly like we're asking Democrats to enter the battle unarmed.

Dean and Murtha have handed their party an opportunity to circled their wagons around a strong alternative to the administration's failed polices. The party could have -- and should have -- done just that, refined those positions into a coherent, clear and defensible policy, and gone to battle. Instead they tripped all over themselves in retreated into defeat, a refuge from which they can snipe at Republicans without exposing themselves to the political dangers of open combat.

Murtha and Dean are the Democrat Party's ideological bookends. Between them bracket the full scope of party ideology. Dean is liberal and Murtha conservative. Murtha is pro-military. Dean is anti-war. Between the two men's positions are all the ingredients needed to cook up a coherent and strong Democrat alternative to the GOP's "stay the course," policy in Iraq.

Look how easy it is:

Tell the Iraqis they have six months to get their political and military act together.
In six months all US combat troops will move to the Iraqi borders to provide better border security than we have in the US.
In six months the only US military assistance Iraqis can expect is close air support, supplies and free advice.
One year later all American troops leave Iraq.
Is that so complicated? But it means Democrats digging their heels in... drawing a line in the political sand and daring the Republicans to cross it and engage them in open combat on the facts right out there where everyone can watch in public square.

But so far Democrats look even less keen for combat than the scared looking Iraqis we're trying to train. Like the "new Iraqi army" Democrats run for cover at the first hint of trouble. And, if one of their own does or says something that gets him whacked by Republican thugs, well, no one is gonna drag him to safety. After all, he was asking for it talking like that.

So it's more of the same. More retreat, more defeat.

Democrats do come out of their foxholes for the Sundays TV talk shows where they can take pot shots at the enemy from behind Tim Russert et al. So there they were this Sunday, blathering away about how wrong-headed Bush's Iraqi policies are. But when asked what Democrats would do, what their plan was, they ran behind the skirts of their minority status. Peaking out from behind those skirts they bravely declared, "Well, we're not in charge. It's not our responsibility to come up with solutions. Republicans are in charge, it's their responsibility."


"Nah, nah, nah, nah. Not our fault... we have no power. Nah, nah, nah."


("Oh damn. That wasn't too harsh was it --- the nah, nah thing? Think we should deny it was us? Or, who said it? We'll blame him. He doesn't speak for our party....")


Come on Democrats. Would you folks agree on defensible positions and stand and fight? Stand and fight, damn it. Do you understand how important it is to this country that you do that and do it now?

You've already wasted five years, during which you've waffled, wavered, wimped, whined and withdrew from battle. And look what it's gotten us? The federal treasury is empty, the nation is treading in a rising sea of red ink, most of the world no longer believes a word that comes out of Washington – and neither do a growing number of Americans. And, worse of all, once again in my lifetime American kids are dying thousands of miles from their homes for reasons that don't add up.

And you can lay all this on George W. either. You Democrats wimped out on us and let it happen, all of it. Worse, many of you didn't just let it happen, you lent a hand – hands now permanently stained with blood. (Even Lady Macbeth regretfully accepted her complicity. )

So, what's it gonna take to get some backbone in you folks and get you out of your foxholes? If asked to describe the Democrat Party right now I think an alarming number of registered Dems would say it's become a nest of connivers and cowards. (You say it's not so. Fine, make my day. Try convincing me that's not true. I dare you. (I double-dare you.)

Here's an idea. Begin by publicly admonishing the collaborators among you? Remember how mad you all got at Zell Miller when he spoke at the Republican convention? How about shelling out some of that righteous indignation now on Joe Liberman?

I don't know. I think I just waste my breath when I talk to Democrats like this. But I do believe that slapping around the collaborators, quislings and cowards in their own party would certainly change the "risk/benefit" equation. Suddenly wimping out in the midst of political hand-to-hand combat would no longer be entirely risk free. It would be a way of laying down a marker to party cowards, "Here's your choice, stand with us and risk a GOP bullet in the chest or run and risk a Democrat bullet in the back. Your choice."

But so far the only Democrat commandos with the stomach and backbone for a fight appear to be John Murtha, Howard Dean and Russ Fiengold. (Hillary Clinton's been too busy getting P.R. Photos photos taken of her making nice to soldiers and wrapping herself in Old Glory to fight. And the Democrat's general in the Senate, Harry Reid, a man with all the charisma of a undertaker – looks like he'd need one himself if he ever got too excited about anything. Smiling Joe Biden would stand and fight, but he's been away having his teeth whitened for the '08 campaign.)

So it's fools to the right of us, clowns to the left, and me, stuck in the middle with you.

Republicans won't change course because that would mean admitting they've just killed thousands of people for all the wrong reasons. And the Democrats refuse to put forth an unambiguous alternative because they are scared. That's right, scared. Imagine that. One of two parties responsible for running the most powerful nation on earth, scared. Afraid of honest, thoughtful, progressive positions and policies. Afraid to put them in black and white and then stand at the ramparts and fight for them.

Instead Democrats stick to what has become their new comfort zone, defeat. Retreat and defeat.

Maybe we need to start training a new political army. Nothing less important than our own democracy depends on it. Because I don't know about you, but I'm tired of losing.

I'm ready for a fight.




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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 06:38 PM
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1. K&R
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:24 PM
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2. Another K & R! Great Read!
Love the ending. Good rallying!

"Maybe we need to start training a new political army. Nothing less important than our own democracy depends on it. Because I don't know about you, but I'm tired of losing.

I'm ready for a fight."
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:29 PM
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3. Turn coats and two faced people! I'd wipe my ass on them if they'd sit
still, but they're too busy running and hiding! I ready for the fight. Count me in! I'm tired of loosing too, everything depends upon this fight! :nuke:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:46 PM
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4. Kick!
:nuke:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:58 PM
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5. kick'n her again for our benefit! Dems lets see some damn courage!
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:13 PM
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6. That piece was spot-on.
I don't know if they have dirt on the Dems or WHAT the hell the problem is, but this whole situation SUCKS.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:21 PM
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7. I agree 100%!
Kicked and recommended.
Thank you, it was easily the best thing I've read in a week.
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 02:18 AM
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8. This guy is great!
Thanks for turning me onto him, klil...

A few more excellent highlights:

This is why Dems never win anymore....Instead of rallying around defensible positions and yelling "Bring em on! Pass the ammunition," they whimper, "Waffles, damn it! We need more waffles up here. They're killing us with our own words. Pass the friggin waffles!"

When we voted for them they pledged to stand and fight for what's right, liberty and the American way. Instead they have done little but collaborate, triangulate and masturbate.

Here's an idea. Begin by publicly admonishing the collaborators among you? Remember how mad you all got at Zell Miller when he spoke at the Republican convention? How about shelling out some of that righteous indignation now on Joe Liberman?

K&R!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:15 AM
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9. So tragic, so true.
I weep for both my party and my country.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:42 AM
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10. Once more for the morning crowd!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:47 AM
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11. Hillary just sent me a fund raising letter, complete with a 37cent stamp.
I think I'll use her stamp to send her a copy of this along with
a note explaining that it captures my feelings precisely.

Tesha
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:09 AM
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15. I think that is an excellent idea and not just Hillary
I think this should be required reading for all Democratic leaders in every state..not just Congress.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:50 AM
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12. It's not the "Democrat Party"
Edited on Tue Dec-13-05 07:50 AM by Nevernose
Sorry, pet-peeve. I hear it a lot on Faux news and read it in places like Freeperville. I swear that "The Democrat Party" is some kind of new, unspoken code word. You can often tell who is a Republican and who is a Democrat just by their use of the term. This was a side-note; I'm not referring in any way to the OP or to Mr. Stephen Pizzo. Good article, btw.

I just think the world would be a better place if people used proper adjectives correctly, as in "The Democratic Party."
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:12 AM
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13. But why ?
When did they turn to these "sniveling cowards"? Can we pinpoint a date? Was there any one person or group that was responsible? Or all of us?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:51 AM
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16. Roughly speaking, I'd pick 1992.
Roughly speaking, I'd pick 1992, when some yahoos convinced the
party leadership that they could win elections while not having
any actual convictions, but that's just roughly speaking.

The Democrats have been on their way out since they plucked up the
courage to vote for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. At that point,
they took an action which was absolutely morally correct, but which
would drive away a huge part of their white Christian racist Southern
post-Civil-War base. They were also viewed as the party behind the
Viet Nam war, which drove away a portion of their left wing.

Facing this erosion from the right and left, and failing to produce
any really big wins for their working-class base, the Democrats then
were pummelled by an increasingly corporate media which started
slanting the news in ways that would favor the media's natural
allies, the Republicans. The Democrats allowed the Fairness Doctrine
to evaporate and then some of those '92-vintage Democrats allowed a
huge further consolidation of the corporate media.

Then came the electoral defeats of 1994, 2000, 2002, and 2004.
And since the Democrats no longer held even a shred of power, the
corporate interests no longer had any interest in throwing even
the occasional monetary bone in the Democrats' direction, instead
finally whole-heartedly and openly supporting just the Republicans

Many Democrats, though, failed to see the realpolitik that was
occurring and thought that the corporate powers would still be
their friends if only they cozzied up to those powers. So the
Democrats became more timid and cautious,trying very hard not to
offend the corporate powers. And nothing happened; the corporate
powers still ignored them. So they became even more timid, and the
corporate powers told them "Piss off, tosser!"

So now the Democrats are complete sniveling cowardly mongrels,
licking at the boots of the corporate powers in the hopes that the
corporate powers will throw them a bone again like they used to.

Think it'll happen?

Tesha
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:00 PM
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17. Damn, you nailed it Tesha
Nice rant too. The party right now, particularly the DLC, are just bootlicking shills.



Keith’s Barbeque Central
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:04 PM
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19. Thanks for your kind words! (NT)
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:20 AM
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21. Morning kick...
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:08 AM
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14. Kick
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Thorandmjolnir Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 12:03 PM
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18. Great piece, but
I believe it was John Kerry who talked about US troops terrorizing the civilian population in Iraq, and not Howard Dean.

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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 07:51 PM
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20. Another Kicker For A Fine Article!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 08:28 AM
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22. He sure nails it
Edited on Wed Dec-14-05 08:29 AM by DoYouEverWonder
A lot of Dems on the Hill are nothing more then Repug Lights.

It's time to kick butt and Dean is willing to do it.



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