Remember when Christmas meant peace on earth and not war?

[DanCa]

Has anyone ever went for a walk after holiday dinner and noticed how peaceful and serene it was a night? How clean everything smelled and felt? And that for a short time you could hear your own thoughts? Christmas used to be indeed a silent night.

Now the fundies have transformed the most peaceful of all holidays into a capitilistic expression of war. Just think of the phrase "war on christmas."
I Don't really think that Jesus the prince of peace would like to have any part of him associated with greed and death especially his birthday.

God I can't stand the fundies. They ruin everythings. I can just hear thier new carol. "Away in the war room in a coffin for his bed, the little lord jesus gave the command that rainned down sweet death." God everything is so twisted and distorted now.

Is this the way it's going to be every year? I really want my god back, the god of reason, healling, diplomacy and compassion back. The god who loves gays and straights and doesn't care which side a person came down on a choice because only god is capable of knowing what is in that persons heart.

I am really sick of what the fundies have turned Jesus into. He is now a war mongering savior of embryos and enslavor of women This red god doesn't doesn't care about the sick or the poor just about healthy fighting men so that they can kill. Well I say this to they theocrats that as long as I am breathing, that the sick red god you worship isn't my god.

Finally I would like to thank everyone on DU for being here for me. Now matter how bad it gets out there in fundie land I know you guys got my back. And in the true meaning of the holiday I humbley wish peace to anyone who will accept it.

[BillZBubb]

1. I think Hank Hill summarized the situation:

The kind of peace you are talking about is "Hippie" peace. That's not the same a Jesus peace. Jesus peace supports wars for "freedom".

[DanCa]

6. So have I been poisoned by John Lennon, Bob Dylan, and Tommy Chung? JK

PS If you ever ever want to see a scary movie rent Elvis meets Nixion. It happens right at christmas time too .

[zbdent]

2. I do recall one effort by warring factions

I believe that, during WW1, there was a snowball fight between the Germans and the Brits (I think) on Christmas. Fun was had by all. The officers had to break it up after a while so that they would go back to the business of killing each other.

[CatholicEdHead]

20. The Christmas Truce

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/christmastruce.htm
http://history1900s.about.com/homework/history1900s/library/weekly/aa122100a.htm

It inspired this song:
http://www.folkmusic.com/record/r_water.htm#Christmas

[LizW]

3. Peace to you, too, DanCa

My holiday cards ALWAYS say "Peace on Earth". Every year I enjoy looking to find the most beautiful "Peace on Earth" cards.

[lukasahero]

14. Me too

I had a friend who was on the plane that crashed in Lockerbie and ever since the idea of Christmas being about the hope for "Peace on Earth" has been my primary message for the season.

Glad to see it's a shared sentiment. :hug:

[jbnow]

4. As a smoker

I go outside now and then, leaving the crowd behind, sitting under stars. I often quietly sing Christmas carols.

They make me sadder now. Where is the peace on earth, good will to men?
Where is even the thrill of hope that makes our weary world rejoice?

I sort of pray or chat at god sitting out there.
I remind him it's been 2000 years now and Jesus said he'd be right back.

I've always liked the quiet contemplative part of Christmas. I am not religious, I don't go to church.
But I love the symbolism, new birth...of hope. of love, of the Christ energy. I use Christmas stamps much of the year on the basis that everyday is the right day for the coming of the Christ energy into the world.

I'm having trouble with it now. More and more people are loosing hope. The words, the sense that use to come don't mean as much.

Now I know things get worse to get better, like when we are deep cleaning we make a mess and chaos where it looked OK before that.

But I am tired of hope if it's false hope.
Yet I hunger for hope.
My heart will likely still open as I sit under the stars softly singing but it will be a more aching heart.

Yet as the saying goes, if you want peace, be peace.
Be peace. What else can you do?

Wishing Peace to all...in fact that Peace that passeth all understanding. It is real and true magic and contagious. God knows it would help bring peace we can see with our eyes.

there is my Christmas kind of ramble.

[DanCa]

7. Peace my friend

I dont like living in a world where a person cant have one ciggarett in peace any more. And I say that as a person who doesn't like smoking but wont infringe on your right to do it. Peace :hug:

[jbnow]

12. Ah but that's the thing

being the only smoker means you get away and get those quiet times, no one questions it. Far from the madding crowd...alone with the stars and the thoughts and the quiet.
Lovely

[H2O Man]

5. It still is.

During the holiday season, I do not allow the diseased actions of the Bush administration or the right-wing fools like Bill O'Reilly to take up space in my household. It's the choice that I make, and it's the same choice that everyone will face. Peace on earth, good will towards other human beings ..... it is such a good idea, that maybe us religious folks should take a clue from our atheist brethern, and try expanding it to every single day!

[DanCa]

8. I think we can stand to learn alot from atheist as well.

I really do think when the fundies have hand links outside thier churches its really as way of saying we dont want moderates and liberals in our congregation. I also feel that large public lighting displays are garish and distasteful.

[ComerPerro]

9. Remember when the phrase "peace on earth" wasn't anti-American?

[reality based]

10. And when use of the other part of the phrase "good will toward man"

wasn't a sign of a weak minded, socialist do-gooder?

[ComerPerro]

11. I seem to recall those phrases being in Christmas songs...

My family and I sing Christmas Carols every year on Christmas Eve. If we sing about peace, love and tolerance, does that mean we hate America?

[DanCa]

16. I wonder if they'll stop saying peace at mass now,

And the priest will start to sar war, and the congregation will yell victory.. Gee am not too jaded am I?

[FooFootheSnoo]

13. It's maddening

But, I try not to pay it any attention. Christmas is not a war and Jesus is still the prince of peace. The way the fundies represent Jesus is a lie. I know a lot of people are believing that lie right now, but that doesn't change the truth. All the lies in the world will never change the truth. Don't be sad. Peace.

[DanCa]

17. Hey foofoothesnoo welcome to du

I know i ll feel better once christmas gets here. i just dont want every holiday to be like this.

[Rocknrule]

15. Don't you remember

when America and Christianity didn't stand for HATE, war, killing everyone who looks or thinks differently than you, persecuting gays and trying to control the world?

[lonestarnot]

18. Peace Dan CA

[Deja Q]

19. They love disrupting the public. Who needs daytime television?

Knowing how their media lackeys make us squirm is more than enough to replace 20 networks' worth of soaps.

[No Exit]

21. But... Peace is ON THE MARCH!!