"Freep Arnold" Freerep attempt to kill "Tookie"

[raysr]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1538742/posts

[BloodyWilliam]

1. This is e-lynching.

Even if you're ambivalent and want justice to take its supposed course in this issue, it's horrible to start a freaking petition or campaign TO execute someone.

[raysr]

3. They're sick bastards over there

[Walt Starr]

4. It's no different from the campaign to grant clemency

As soon as the eCampaign started here, I was emailing expressing my opinion that in this case, justice demands the death -penalty be carried out.

[rmgustaf]

6. It is different.

Death is final. It is the ultimate punishment. But life in prison is kinder, gentler, and - to be crass - cheaper. It will also allow this guy to continue doing the good works he's been doing.

"Justice" is not what happens when the government kills its citizens.

[Walt Starr]

9. I disagree completely

and me expressing my opinion about it is no different from you expressing your opinion about it.

[Thorandmjolnir]

20. Please define justice

And would you also say, that countries without the death penalty have no "justice"?

[Walt Starr]

23. Justice

The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.

Teh death penalty is the law. Change the law if you do not agree with it.

[JuniorPlankton]

11. Cheaper????

Not that it should be a consideration, but it is very expensive to keep this guy behind bars for the rest of his life.

[baltlib]

15. cheaper sense when..

in Maryland it costs about 40,000 per year to feed house, guard, cloth, give medical care, provide cable tv etc. so even if it costs 500,000 to do the death penalty, which it does not they is only about 12 years. it costs more for all of the appeals then anything else. now i am not against the DP they should have more proof then they do sometimes, but with good proof ie DNA, fingerprints, the murder weapon etc go for it, heck even speed it up.

personally if it came down to me i would rather be put to death than rot away for the next 60 years or so.

[BloodyWilliam]

12. It's the difference between life and death.

No one wants to pardon Tookie and let him go free (at least, no one here, as far as I know). They just think that the death penalty is not a good punishment for a lifer who seems to be clearly reforming. We don't want to free him, absolve him, pardon him, or give him any benefit beyond life itself.

The Freepers want to see blood. That's the difference.

[Walt Starr]

18. Then let him admit his guilt and demonstrate remorse

until then, he does not deserve clemency, plain and simple.

[StClone]

25. Yes this bothers me

a) Tookie is innocent (which seems doubtful)

OR

b) He is in denial for whatever reason and he is not truly self-redeemed.

His death clemency is based on total redemtion of self and to society. Expressing remorse to all is needed.

If this occurs would you be for clemency?

Freepers want vengence for deaths (for their black and white world's) sake. They love the finality and not needing to deal with pollution, inequality, corruption that's why Freepers are unfit to judge for clemency because even from their so-called religious view they do not believe in Jesus's forgiving the sinner.

[Walt Starr]

26. If he admitted his guilt and expressed deep remorse for it, yes

but it's too late, now. He needed to do it at least a year ago.

[skipos]

19. Walt, you never answered my question from a previous thread.

If you had to guess how many innocents were among the 1000 people exectued so far, what would your estimate be?

[ET Awful]

10. Judging by what's been said here at DU over the past couple of weeks

there are a bunch of DUers that would fit right in and stand in line to sign that petition.

[Kierkegaard]

2. Don't you know you can get a nasty rash going over there?

Having said that, I like the 'Merry Christmas' part of their heartwarming message to the Abominator. Do they even read/comprehend the garbage they post over there?

[raysr]

5. I sometimes go there

just before I shower.

[zanne]

7. I love how they end their plea for execution with...

"Merry Christmas"

[StClone]

8. Yes Tookie must die

So Freepers woodies may arise.

Death, destruction, mayhem, lies and vengeance that's the Freeper way. What Religion are Freepers? Kill'em Christians. No doubt they would have cheered on the Crucifixion.

[bosspepper1]

17. No, Tookie must die

because he is a killer...

[skipos]

21. Bosspepper, could you answer

my post #19 as well please? Thanks.

[bosspepper1]

22. Dunno

do you?

[aikoaiko]

13. I happen to agree with them albeit but without their glee.

I'm not for the death penalty for most cases, but I'm not for letting people escape the consequences of their actions either. A change of heart or some good deeds is not enough reason for someone to escape the full punishment of the law.

I know, there are many who say Tookie didn't do the crimes. THat may be true. But when I read about Tookie's case, I found that when asked to name names about CRIP criminal activity he has refused at every turn. Some people might think this is out of fear, but it looks like its out of pride and glory for his organization.

From http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/19/gang.execution.ap/ind ... :
In his book, Williams addressed nearly all of Crittendon's accusations <of continued gang loyalty and activity>, saying that informing on gang members would "rip my dignity out of my chest," that he gets along with everyone in the yard, and that his son is trying to change his ways.

Still a loyal Crip. Sorry, no clemency for you tookie.

[BloodyWilliam]

14. Would clemency get him out of jail?

He'd still be behind bars for life.

[aikoaiko]

16. of course he'd still be in jail w/clemency

but life in prison was not the punishment handed down to him.

I suppose youre unconvinced by my post that he is still actively protecting Crip criminals. How can he claim to be reformed of gang crime and still protect crip criminals out of dignity?

[Silverhair]

24. jAnd then the Tookie Kookies would start the "Free Tookie" movement. NT

[stepnw1f]

27. Unlike Your Campaign to Kill Em'

How ya like dem Apples?

[aikoaiko]

28. Can anyone defend Tookie's continued protection of Crip criminals...

...in the context of him being an anti-gang crusader.

anyone? anyone?

[aikoaiko]

30. anyone?

[noiretextatique]

31. what "protection?"

please provide evidence of this protection. i keep hearing about this, but i haven't seen anyone provide any evidence of it.

[aikoaiko]

33. did you read the link?

Tookie wont name names out of crip "dignity". read the link.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/19/gang.execution.ap/index.html

[Initech]

29. Bwahaha! One guy is implying Cali still uses the chair!

"Kookie tookie goin up in smokey TONIGHT!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bosspepper1]

32. Aha

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