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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:45 AM
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Bush is an intellectual? (Heard on the news)
As I was trying to put my 3-year-old to bed last night, I had MSNBC on in the background. I was only listening so I can't tell you who was speaking, but I believe it was a re-run of Meet the Press. To paraphrase, throughout Bush's presidential career, he has been held back by Karen Hughes and others who wanted him to protray "good ole boy" in speeches and so-forth. This was so that they could create a contrast between "elitists" and the president. Now, however, the reigns are being loosened and they are finally allowing Bush to speak intelligently and directly in relation to the Iraq War. This, according to the person speaking through the television, is affecting public opinion of the war (for the better).

One person during the discussion relayed a story about a journalist who met the president in a small group. The journalist was shocked to discover Bush was intelligent and thoughtful in his responses and went on to say the Bush who made public speeches was only a pretender, playing a role for the American people.

Now, this love fest was part of a segment about Bush being one of the greatest presidents of all time. Would he be? blah, blah, blah
Still, I think the information is fascinating. How would Bubba Texas feel about an elitist talking down to him for 7 years?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:48 AM
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1. I wonder how much Karl Rove is paying the "journalist?"
Our media is as useless as the old Soviet media.

In fact, as Frank Rich pointed out, the Potemkin village has even been re-erected by our new politburo.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:54 AM
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9. Here's one talking point to ram home...
So Bush was playing dumb, to appeal to the common man.

This proves:

Bush's image is a fake, his whole persona is a fabrication created to win elections.

Bush is not a straight-shooting, salt-of-the-earth everyman who you, Joe Sixpack, could have a beer with. He's a dry-drunk, elitist, Ivory-tower intellectual. I thought red states hated that!

Bush has been playing the red states for suckers for six years now (counting the campaign time), and the man they thought they knew and loved doesn't really exist.

and, finally

If Bush, for the last six years, has been doing an impression of a common man and nothing more, then he must really think that the "common, average, working-class American" is really fucking stupid.

And if that's the case, he may have seriously "misunderestimated" them...
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:57 AM
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14. Yup, that was my take on it.
How can anyone believe this line of thought is going to benefit Bush? It can't. No matter how you spin it, the talking point itself says that Bush was a liar. How difficult is it to jump from lying to win elections into lying to start a war?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:07 AM
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19. Which proves, without a doubt, that Bush was right
when he chose to act like a common man.

Maybe his impression wasn't that far off...

If this doesn't wake his supporters up, and if they don't come to recognize this as an outright slap in the face, then maybe Bush was acting a little too smart in his impression...



And, yes, I have heard this before.

I even had a (former) friend tell me in 2002 that Bush is really a genius, but just acts dumb to appeal to the public.

My gut reaction, at the time, and first impulse reply, was "Isn't that a bit dishonest? And, why would a 'stright shooter' need to act like something he's not?"
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:08 AM
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20. Word has it that he drops the drawl behind closed doors
and reverts to the New England preppie/yuppie accent he grew up with, with just a slight hint of Texas in it.

He's no intellectual, but he is a member of a certain class, one that has been attacking 95% of us for the past 37 years.

That's the word that needs to get out. That they're letting it slip that he's a fake because it's better than "he's stupid" is quite telling. They're desperate.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:15 AM
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22. LOL. This defense they are using is almost like saying
"Bush isn't stupid! YOU ARE! He may talk like a moron, but that's because you are too dumb to understand him if he talks like a smart person"
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:49 AM
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2. April Fools!
The Bushies were looking at the wrong page of the calender.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:50 AM
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3. If Bush is an intellectual
then I am Einstein cubed.
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emc Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:30 PM
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32. Just came through midland texas
Big sign outside the town limits---welcome to home of George and Lura Bush---
Let me tell you what a shit hole----hope when he leaves his present office, wont call it presidency since that never took place----he has to move back there---he and pickles deserve it-----maybe he can even get a double wide---and drill more dry holes----------
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:51 AM
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4. So, if they are finally allowing him to speak intelligently, when?
When does that become effective? I am looking forward to that.

Please tell me it hasn't already happened, because he still sounds like a clueless dumbass to me...

Only difference I have really noticed in the last few months is that he is more regularly sounding more blatantly drunk.

Is it just me, or has he been slurring like crazy lately?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:52 AM
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5. That was David Brooks trotting out a line from his column a few wks ago
This is their new Talking Point: Bush is actually SMART, behind closed doors. If only the public knew just how very smart George really is! Also, according to lying Neo-Con Shill Brooks, Democrats just aren't serious people.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:54 AM
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7. Here is a thread on this from a few weeks ago, with a quote from Brooks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5517133



Then, gradually, an internal glasnost evolved. John Negroponte, then our ambassador, forced people in Washington to confront unpleasant truths. But the internal deliberations were not matched by external candor.

There was a vast gap between the eight-grade level of some public statements and the graduate-school level of private White House conversations. It was about this time that a bewildered newcomer to the Bush administration interrupted an interview to ask me why I thought there was such a big difference bewteen the probing and realistic President Bush he would see in the Oval Office, and the pat and repetitive Bush he would see at press conferences and on TV.



That's from Brooks column of Dec. 4 - someone might have a link -
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:16 AM
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23. Doesn't it just amaze you that they thought the American people
would want a dumb President. Frankly, I would like to think that the President is one of the smartest people in the country. Their logic just doesn't make any sense.

It was obvious that Bill Clinton was extremely intelligent, but strangely enough, I didn't hear anyone complain about it.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:47 PM
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34. What he is behind closed doors
Is, in the words of an article I saw a while back, "a mean, ignorant cocksucker."
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:52 AM
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6. "Peeance freeance to all, and to all a good night!!!"
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:00 AM
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18. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on, uh...
Won't get fooled again!
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:54 AM
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8. Reining in Bush's brain has to be as hard as herding lemmings
His mind is the perfect anti-alcohol/drugs commercial.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:55 AM
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10. Compared to what?
An Insect?
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:56 AM
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11. Hahahahahahaha!
The "good ole boy" thing IS an act and he is a very poor actor (and I speak with some expertise on the matter.)
He is an elitist, spoiled, irresponsible, rich-boy who has screwed up everything he's touched.
Now, if it turns out that he IS an intellectual, then I'm very wrong and he's the BEST ACTOR IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:56 AM
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12. "greatest pResident of all time?"
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 10:56 AM by electropop
I can't believe anybody has the balls to say something so embarassingly silly on national TV. That's one of those gaffes that will show up on "Bloopers & Boners" TV shows for decades to come.

My brother once said that to me, and I looked at him like he had three heads (or perhaps no head at all).

:wtf:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:59 AM
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17. I just want a straight answer when I ask them "WHY????"
They won't have one.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:57 AM
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13. Oh puh-leaze, my 9-year old is far more articulate. Stop trying
to put lipstick on that pig, Karen and KKKarl!!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:58 AM
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15. So the good ole boy message doesn't work -so blame Karen and
try and remake him as something other than an ignoramus? Right!
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:58 AM
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16. The only thing I watch on MSRNC
is Keith Olberman



Keith’s Barbeque Central
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:11 AM
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21. I heard his ass kisser brooks on meet the press yesterday...
claiming he will go down in history as the greatest president,like Lincoln or reagan.(his words not mine)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:17 AM
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24. The fact is evident in his selection of reading material.






(Shown here absorbing the wisdom of My Pet Goat and contemplating the scope of its intricate story line)


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bosspepper1 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:18 AM
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25. I THINK it was...
an INFFECTUAL...
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:29 AM
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26. I think this shows just how well
his handlers realize just how much like a sack of bricks he seems when it comes to intelligence. So now they are trying to tell us it was all an act and he really is an intellectual? Ha! Sorry, I don't buy it. He really is dumb as a sack of bricks. How pathetic.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:31 AM
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27. He also possesses a "zen-like quality"
I heard that little gem on Meet the Press yesterday. Bless their little hearts; they keep trying.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:34 AM
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28. I heard that too!
I had to bite my lip to keep from laughing and waking up my son. :D
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:04 PM
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29. Isn't one of the goals of Zen to enter a state of mind where
rational thought is completely gone?

Then of course the douchebag is Zen like. He's got that mastered.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:44 PM
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33. Wow ! GE is desperate to keep those defense contracts rolling in!
Zen-like quality?!? Oh man, they're catapulting the crap now!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:08 PM
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30. Right. And, Hitler was a closet humanitarian and Trump is humble.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 12:15 PM
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31. I Love This Meme: He Still Has A Chance To Be Raygun...
Why bother? He's shattered all the corruption, death and kleptocracy the Gimpper could ever have dreamed of. :rofl:

Somewhere there are a few kool-aid drinkers, toadies and just plain idiots who think this frat boy has any real intellectual power. The rest of us see this asshat for what he is...that's why booooosh jokes...especially with his video clips bring down the house on most TV late night and talk shows and on the internet(s).
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 01:00 PM
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35. This is a typical ploy of a Personality Cult.
Ordinary people just can't know how great he is. He's so smart he doesn't have to prove it. Blah-blah-blah...

The mentally-challenged lemmings eat this shit up. They hear the rhetoric of ephemerals completely detached from reality and go "wow!" Incapable of connecting the delusion to facts, they claim it's brilliant - only understandable to the brightest insiders who have access to the Holy Truth.
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