Go McCain!!!

[Peter Frank]

By Sen. John McCain
Newsweek
Nov. 21, 2005 issue - The debate over the treatment of enemy prisoners, like so much of the increasingly overcharged partisan debate over the war in Iraq and the global war against terrorists, has occasioned many unserious and unfair charges about the administration's intentions and motives. With all the many competing demands for their attention, President Bush and Vice President Cheney have remained admirably tenacious in their determination to prevent terrorists from inflicting another atrocity on the American people, whom they are sworn to protect. It is certainly fair to credit their administration's vigilance as a substantial part of the reason that we have not experienced another terrorist attack on American soil since September 11, 2001.

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It is also quite fair to attribute the administration's position—that U.S. interrogators be allowed latitude in their treatment of enemy prisoners that might offend American values—to the president's and vice president's appropriate concern for acquiring actionable intelligence that could prevent attacks on our soldiers or our allies or on the American people. And it is quite unfair to assume some nefarious purpose informs their intentions. They bear the greatest responsibility for the security of American lives and interests. I understand and respect their motives just as I admire the seriousness and patriotism of their resolve. But I do, respectfully, take issue with the position that the demands of this war require us to accord a lower station to the moral imperatives that should govern our conduct in war and peace when they come in conflict with the unyielding inhumanity of our vicious enemy.<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10019179/site/newsweek

[autorank]

1. Ass kissing until the last line. Why won't he just tell the truth.

A) The "war on terror" started because * and company can't read memos or handle national intelligence.
B) The torture is their idea, * and Cheney, along with Rummy. It's a disgrace and should be cause for impeachment or psychiatric examination.

I'm tired of the ass kissing from McCain and the rest of the wimps afraid to say the truth: we're ruled by mad men, people with no conscience, who endorse flying folks all over the world to be tortured when everything from experience says it does not work! as well as other techniques.

Sorry, he's "going" all right, going along with Bush by keeping this a 'civil dispute.'

There are no leaders, just aspiring leaders.

[karynnj]

13. And it's very hard to take that last line seriously,

from him when he still holds Kerry's 1971 dissention against him.

he says:
But I do, respectfully, take issue with the position that the demands of this war require us to accord a lower station to the moral imperatives that should govern our conduct in war and peace when they come in conflict with the unyielding inhumanity of our vicious enemy

If he really believed this, why is it wrong for a young soldier to question the actions of a government in a war where he knew we were wrong.

[RogueBandit]

2. Just so much BS to me...

"But I do, respectfully, take issue with the position that the demands of this war require us to accord a lower station to the moral imperatives that should govern our conduct in war and peace when they come in conflict with the unyielding inhumanity of our vicious enemy."

What does that mean, exactly? Is he for us or against us? Is he for or against the terrorist tactic of torture? Why doesn't he just say that in simple terms? I wish I knew. I hate to attribute evil or selfish motives to these people...but really...for torture or not?

[sendero]

16. This is why..

.... Kerry cannot get elected, he can't say he's going to the 7-11 for some smokes without making it sound like a pedantic encyclopedia entry.

[Bluebear]

3. Hold me. >>>>>>

[hlthe2b]

4. Someone should post this pic... every time another DUer

starts to fall for McCains morality/leadership schtick...

What a fraud...

[henslee]

18. McCain and Lieberman should just get a room.

[Wetzelbill]

5. that pic always makes my blood boil

I swear, if any man's campaign attacked my family the way Bush's did McCain's, he'd be getting a broken nose and not a hug. Never ever would I embrace somebody who did that. Never.

[gordonlamb]

7. Isn't it nice...

..When your dancing partner is shorter than you? ;)

[DemonFighterLives]

9. The emperor reigns over all

When McCain did this he fell like 50 points in my book. Before it he had a heart and soul and know he is just positioning himself for his promised heirdom. What he doesn't understand is that the b*shies don't always keep their word. Jebbie still wants in and Kerry and Hillary still are in line for points from the b*shies.

I would respect him coming out against torture, but it is a too little and too late.

[jmm]

10. Loving you, Is easy because you're beautiful....

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen1101.html

Rove's own tendency to be sick-minded originates with his mentor Segretti. The 2000 GOP primary was a chance for Rove to hone his skills in dirty tricks. His target then was Senator John McCain who appeared to be within striking distance of Dubya in South Carolina after the then-GOP maverick's surprise upset victory in New Hampshire. Rove's operation proceeded to target McCain with false stories: McCain was a stoolie for his captors in the Hanoi Hilton (this from a lunatic self-promoting Vietnam "veteran"); McCain fathered a black daughter out of wedlock (a despicable reference to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter); Cindy McCain's drug "abuse"; and even McCain's "homosexuality." In the spirit of Segretti, Rove engineered a victory for Dubya but at the cost of trashing an honorable man and his family.


McCain's children hate Bush because of this. Only a self serving opportunist would take every chance he can get to kiss the asses of the people who did all this to his family.

[Hubert Flottz]

11. I think the thing on John's head has metastasized to the brain.

Talk about trying to rewrite history, hell Johnny is trying to rewrite the past and present and recreate reality. John is no more than a toad in the road, to Bushco and yet he lets them use his last shred of honor for a doormat. How many terrorists were attacking the mainland USA before Bush came along John? Take a deep breath John and try and get a grip john! That's right John, get a GOOD grip, on your head and pull it out of your azz, man!

Belzebush sez, "you're either with us or against us pardner!" John answers, "four more years boss!" John saw ALL the Abu Ghraib pictures before he went campagning with the pResident and his merry Dick. John keeps right on puffing along on down the GOP track anyway, no matter what the neocons do or who they attack next. If he finds one too big to puff, he just lays down beside of it and gives it a big hug.

See John! See John Puff. Puff John Puff. John Puffs Good! See John Hug. Hug John Hug!


Bush debuts hidden McCain POW footage

Republican Presidential Candidate George W. Bush surprised Bob Jones students and the world during his recent stop along the South Carolina campaign trail. In an unexpected move, Bush showed highly incriminating, never before seen footage of John McCain cooperating with his North Vietnamese captors at a speech at Bob Jones last week.

The show was heralded as one of the best of the Spring 2000 guest speaker schedule at the ultraconservative liberal arts institution. Many voters and students were looking forward to Bush's speech, considering it an important event in light of the upcoming primary. The fact that Bush is well behind McCain in the polls did not dampen enthusiasm for the program.

The event began as planned, with an introduction and a speech from G. W. Bush tailored to encourage college students to vote, and if they did, for him. Unlike most Bob Jones programs where students struggle to stay awake during exceptionally boring speakers (except for the occasional casting out of demons), Bush kept most of the audience quite interested. However, after 20 minutes of a fairly normal speech, Bush announced in a trembling voice that he had something special he wished to reveal to South Carolina and the United States of America.

With that declaration, the movie screen lowered onto the stage of the auditorium and the lights dimmed. The film subsequently shown, which lasted nearly three minutes and 22 seconds, shocked the entire audience. It depicted what appeared to be a young virile John McCain in a loincloth studying a map with several North Vietnamese officers. McCain would point at certain places on the map and the officers would smile and write down things. The sound in the film was sketchy but listeners could clearly hear McCain repeatedly refer to someone as "My lil' buddy Ho Chi." The McCain in the film also seemed in good health and quite well treated by his captors. In fact, once McCain appeared to turn to one of the officers, hand them a mug, and say "Bring me a mocha latte and make sure it isn't some of that cheap local @*%& either!" The officer immediately bowed and ran off with the mug, and the film ended before he returned. MORE...

http://www.erskine.edu/mirror/022400B/CRACKED2.HTM

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The Submission of John McCain

By David Corn,

"The world is your playground/ And you want to win."

So sang the frontman for a little-known and unimpressive rock band named Dexter Freebish at the opening night of the GOP convention. Nah, he looked much too happy providing a generic backbeat for delegates who moments earlier had cheered a film tribute to Gerald Ford (it was a short film). And conventions are not the place for subtle messages.

Ask John McCain. In 2000, he was the victim of one of the dirtiest assaults in modern politics. Bush-backers circulated vile rumors about the man, and the Bush campaign refused to condemn this hit job. George W. Bush campaigned with the leader of a marginal veterans outfit who falsely accused McCain of betraying veterans, and the Bush administration would later reward this scoundrel with a job. Yet McCain played the loyal soldier at the 2000 convention, where he delivered a weird and robotic speech in which he endorsed Bush and did little to promote the reform-minded message of his own campaign.

For years later, McCain, the former Navy pilot and POW, again agreed to fly wing for the fellow who skipped out of his Air National Guard service. For weeks, McCain has been stumping with Bush (even while he has defended Kerry's Vietnam record), and some have asked, why is he cheek-to-jowl with Bush? Not too long ago McCain seemed to entertain – if only for a moment – the notion of running as John Kerry's second. And how could he not bear a grudge against Bush for 2000? When I asked a Republican strategist close to McCain why McCain finally took a seat on the Bush Express, he replied. "He's a Republican." Does he want to be veep, should Dick Cheney take a powder? "He's a Republican," I was told. Is he positioning himself for a run in 2008, when he will be 72 years old? "He's a Republican." Does he want to be Secretary of Defense after Bush throws Donald Rumsfeld overboard? "He's a Republican." MORE...

http://www.alternet.org/election04/19727

[...of J.Temperance]

14. McCain is a nutjob...always was a nutjob...always will be a nutjob n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

17. A greedy selfserving neoNutjob!

That goes with the flow, of his own free will. All the little GESTAPO Wanna-bees in the GOP, who have enabled Bushco to do it's thing, are as guilty as the boss! John knows these guys have crossed the line on the human rights score. No more does the beacon of "FREEDOM" cast anything but a tiny shadow, since Abu Ghraib. John knows, as well as you and I know, that at Abu Ghraib...We...Became...THEM. Yes, thanks to the GOP leaders in office in Washington, who are calling ALL the shots in Iraq. "WE" the world wide protectors of "HUMAN RIGHTS," became, "Them," that torture, murder and plunder. The PNAC/GOP dragged our nation down to the same level as the criminal people that we have so often fought against in the past 200 years, because of this or that "enemy's" evil criminal disrespect and disregard for human rights.

John knew what they were doing at "THOSE CAMPS" just like the criminals at Nuremberg knew what was going on in their prison camps. But John chose to ignore the reality at Abu Ghraib and to go and campaign for the very people, that he knew were responsible for the torture and murdering being done in America's name.

McCain has been in lockstep with the GOP bosses right on down the line...

[...of J.Temperance]

19. McCain has Battered Wife Syndrome

He goes with the flow because Bush Inc. have conditioned him to be submissive.

His mental condition has been in doubt since what happened to him at the Hanoi Hilton...Bush Inc. know this and so they know how to make him submissive.

The most bizarre thing is, because McCain was tortured at the Hanoi Hilton you'd have thought he'd have been the FIRST to carpet Bush Inc. over what was happening at Abu Ghraib...but as you say, he wasn't and he went with the flow.

McCain has zero honor, zero integrity, zero credibility and zero self-respect for himself.

How can somebody be expected to respect someone, when they don't even have any respect for themselves?

McCain's just a mouthbreather.

[Hubert Flottz]

20. "McCain's just a mouthbreather."

I can't say it any better than that!

[...of J.Temperance]

21. Would it work as a car sticker slogan huh? :)

"McCain's just a mouthbreather."

[Dogmudgeon]

6. The Ultimate Mixed Bag

He will split the Republican Party like Paul Bunyan mourning the death of his great blue ox, Osama. After America has tired of the neo-Con con, McCain will be able to -- in the words of Frank Zappa -- "burn his poots away".

The GOP will be weak and divided, and McCain will be unable to practice the same dirty politics that Team Bush used to grease the Boy-King and his slide to the throne. McCain has spoken too often about the need to be ethical, so the Diebold/ESS connection will dissolve like an F0 tornado moving over an SUV-packed parking lot. Honest campaigning will cut into the right-wing vote by some 15%, to the detriment of the Republican Party.

And, if the election comes on the heels of an impeachment trial, the Republican rout will be all the more bloody.

I've said it myself a hundred times -- I respect and admire John McCain, but he's my political adversary, and I will fight his agenda tooth-and-nail, hammer-and-tong, vedge-and-lo-carb, Britney-and-Kevin, mataphor-and-similie.

But I'll support his candidacy. He'll learn that there is no place for honesty and fair-play in the modern Republican Party, effectively putting it hors de combat for a decade or more.

--p!

[jbnow]

8. I am so glad

there are some republicans standing firmly against torture. Since we are the minority our bills and voices can't do anything. I don't like McCain or Graham...but America needs to come out clearly against torture

I don't need to like them to be grateful for their firm stand on this issue. They are still trying to get it through the house (really through cheney) and they'd better not negotiate any of it away.

Graham was awesome on this today and he is very bad on some issues. McCain is a weasel on so much, but please let the torture amendment get through and we will have them to thank if it does.

I know Dems are on the right side but again we have no power right now.

[Boo Boo]

12. "And it is quite unfair to assume some nefarious purpose

informs their intentions."

Man, talk about a straw dog. Is torture not "nefarious" enough for ya, John? Jeebus. Torture is the "intention," John. They are transporting prisoners to various countries for the purpose of torture. That's their intention, Dip-Weed. Besides, this whole deal always ends up in the same place: torturing people to extract confessions and "evidence" against others. Both of these things have happened as part of Bush's WOT. Torture is a political tool.

And let's not forget that your President used information obtained via torture to bullshit the country into a war of choice. That sounds pretty fucking nefarious to me, old man. But, hey... it's good to know that their hearts are in the right place. :eyes:

Boy, it must really suck to be a Republican these days.

[...of J.Temperance]

15. Go McCain!!! Oh and don't let the door hit you on the ass!!!

Ah loathe John McCain.

[baby_mouse]

22. Useless.

Sufficiently pale and thin that a few strokes of imaginary beards and "consideration of his point of view" and kindly pats on the head will be enough to walk over it.

Wasted. Wasted effort, wasted, wasted...

Silly little man.