Dean 08. Just maybe it is a good idea ......

[Crazy Guggenheim]

I don't think the Democratic Party has respected him enough. Maybe he should step down ....

[Aretha]

1. He would probably do much worse than last time

[Crazy Guggenheim]

2. Why so-called electability??

[Aretha]

17. Because he explicitly promised not to run in exchange for the chairmanship

Many, many democrats would see him running as breaking his promise and a sign of untrustworthiness. Also, high-profile supporters would be slower to get behind him than last time in light of the '04 disaster. This is especially true for influential organizations like unions. Finally, he is no longer the new and exciting outsider. He is now part of the establishment and will not have the same kind of appeal to young voters and volunteers.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

18. No. If The Demos don't get behind him then it's not breaking a promise.

[Aretha]

25. Many people would not see it that way

Especially many voters. The deal was the chairmanship in exchange for not running. Agreeing with him on everything or following his lead obediantly was never part of the deal.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

26. It's not about blind obedience. It's about basic respect to Dean. Also,

the deal is not about being a short term Chair. On Edit: See post 23.

[Aretha]

32. Respect needs to be earned

If he hasn't managed to earn it then he can't say that he is entitled to it. In any event, he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell as a Presidential candidate in 2008. He might win Vermont again (maybe) but that's it. Actually, if Hillary is running, I doubt that he'd even win Vermont.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

33. How has he not earned it? Don't count on Hillary. Besides what if he does

run.

[Aretha]

38. If he runs

He'll lose. Simple as that. He couldn't win with everything going for him and very weak opposition in 2004. He won't even make a ripple in '08 if he runs.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

39. Whatever.

[rucky]

3. Note to Party: my money follows Dean

eom

[Crazy Guggenheim]

4. Thank you!!

[MercutioATC]

37. Same here.

Where Dean goes, so goes my wallet.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

5. Dean/Clark 08 sounds good to me.

[KitchenWitch]

6. I like that ticket a lot!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

7. Could you see that?!?!?!?! LOL. The Second Coming!

:popcorn:

[KitchenWitch]

8. It would be sweet irony!

And I think that ticket could win!

[Cascadian]

9. If Howard Dean ran again, I would give him my support.

I did in 2004, I would gladly do it again in 2008.

Dean/Clark in 2008? Has a nice ring to it!


John

[Crazy Guggenheim]

12. Thanks John!!

[Cascadian]

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[Cascadian]

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[Clark2008]

34. Clark/Dean and you've got a deal.

:hi:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

35. Well. Dean Clark sounds better. LOL. It has that ring to it.

:popcorn:

[HillDem]

13. I think he would do slightly better

than Dukakis. I like him as the DNC chair because he can raise money, but I would much rather see a Democrat in 08 that can compete in more than 15 states.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

14. He can compete in all of them.

[Wetzelbill]

15. that wouldn't hurt my feelings any, but I still like him where he is at

He's doing a heckuva job. Even better than Brownie. :)

I always have respected Howard Dean. He's something special. I didn't vote for him, but the guy has something in him. He's a good man. And, a true fighter.

[Loonman]

16. Dean and Kerry have two distinct problems

Dean never thinks before he speaks.

Kerry thinks too much before he speaks.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

19. But Dean speaks the truth. Kerry is confused and shouldn't think so much.

[Loonman]

22. With Dean: 1)he makes a statement

2)statement is misconstrued because Dean blurts stuff out without thinking
3)Dean retracts statement or tries to clarify it
4)by this time, nobody cares what his original statement was because it's gone through the MSM spin cycle

With Kerry:
1) You wait
2) you wait
3) you wait
4) by the time he makes a statement, the issue is over

[Crazy Guggenheim]

24. LOL about Kerry. About Dean though, the MSM tries to spin what he says.

[demokatgurrl]

20. More realistically, I'd like him to run for Senate.

He'd be great there.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

21. Yeah but then Clark couldn't be his running mate. Besides then we

wouldn't see a brawl during the Presidential debates.



:popcorn:

[Crazy Guggenheim]

23. Here's the point with the thread. The Democrats better watch their own

mouths about Dean. Some may think that Dean, also, is too quick to say something, but, he most likely turns out right. Also, remember as long as he's the Chair he won't run.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

29. Yikes! "The Democrats better watch their own mouths about Dean."

Sounds downright "Bushovian."

[Crazy Guggenheim]

31. NO! I'm talking about some people on the board and some Demos.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

27. He didn't win a single state.....

n/t

[Crazy Guggenheim]

28. Not true. Vermont.

[Nickster]

30. That doesn't really tell you too much either with our stacked primaries

After a certain point, your primary vote doesn't really matter so you get behind the leading party candidate to push him over the top. I'm here to say, if I'd known more about Dean before, I would have surely voted for him. I'm an after the fact convert. Living in Illinois, we don't get much chance to get in on the ground floor of candidates, we get the end product.

[quinnox]

36. I wiuldn't be surprised if a Draft Dean petition

stars on the internet sometime. Doubt it will get anywhere though.