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OrdinaryTa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:18 AM
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Tenet's "White House Official" To Be Named
George Tenet testified yesterday that an unnamed "high ranking White House official" pressured him not to protest the famous 16 words. Now that this much of the story is out, there's no way to keep the name secret. The official is probably not Condoleezza Rice, because she put herself out on a limb in saying that nobody pressured Tenet.

The number of possibilities is limited. I say it's Colin Powell, carrying water for Dick Cheney. Cheney is ultimately responsible, of course, but he's too smooth an operator to be identified with political dynamite. Might it also be Mad Donald? We can't rule him out.

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nixonwasbetterthanW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:21 AM
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1. why not Cheney?

He strikes me as more than arrogant and just greedy enough to think that the uranium-Africa legend had enough legs to slip by unnoticed, which, as DUers know, was basically true till June as far as mainstream coverage of the issue.

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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:21 AM
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2. When/How will they be named?
Did someone say they would be named?

I'm thinking it's ultimately Cheney, but that's not who Tenet named. Tenet was likely told who to name. No way does he personally go out on a limb and name Cheney.
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OrdinaryTa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:28 AM
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8. Explosive Testimony
Tenet's testimony is said to have been "explosive". The name is too hot a tidbit for it not to leak. Tenet testified for 4 hours yesterday and probably admitted a whole lot more that will also leak.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:23 AM
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3. Would it be better or worse for * if it is Rove?
Is he considered a White House Official?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:25 AM
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26. His office is in the WH. It could be Rove
And it would be worse for Bush if it were found to be Rove, because then the politics of it would be naked for all to see.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:23 AM
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4. We should start a poll.
Saying it's a "White House" official, as I understand the term, eliminates anyone from State and Defense, as well as retired troublemakers like Gingrich.

I think the likely candidates, in descending order of likelihood:

1. A very, very senior aide to Rice speaking on her behalf
2. Rice herself
3. Cheney
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OrdinaryTa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:34 AM
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11. Who Silenced Tenet?
Good idea for a poll. Call it "Who Told Tenet to Stuff It?"

The nominees so far are
  • Cheney
  • Libby
  • Rice
  • Powell
  • Rumsfeld

Anybody else?

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:37 AM
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17. Put Card on that list.
The euphemism "White House official" in lieu of "administration official" points to a non-Cabinet strong-arm, IMHO.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:12 AM
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23. I agree. Andrew Card.
He does the direct bidding of George W Bush.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:52 AM
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29. I don't think so.
He's one of Junior's handlers ... and Junior only tells him to do what Junior is told to tell him to do.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:58 AM
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31. Maybe ?
But I would not be surprised if that is the name that Tenet gave...
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ChompySnack Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:23 AM
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5. Probably Rice's undersecretary
They will keep this as low level as possible.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:24 AM
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6. My guess
Lewis Libby, Cheney's chief of staff
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:25 AM
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7. I don't think it's Powell
He seems to have slightly more sense than to do something like that.

I'll bet it's Cheney himself. Recall those unusual personal trips to the CIA? What might have been going on there?...
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:28 AM
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9. Danziger votes for Cheney...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:36 AM
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15. Cheney's watching ...
... Andrew Card stuff a gag in Tenet's mouth.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:32 AM
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10. It doesn't matter
how far up or down the food chain they go to place the blame, it still lands right in the fat lap of Cheney. He is so blatently transparent even though we NEVER see him unless he is trying to push for something he desires.

This man has salivated at the opportunity to take the oil fields and now that our troops are coming forward with what their duties really entail--guarding Brown & Root--slickey dick may have performed his last trick.

But, something tells me he still may have a few more...
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:34 AM
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12. Card is the most expendible.
I'm skeptical that Cheney would be caught doing his own dirty work. He manipulates everything through avatars, Smirky being the most obvious.

While I'm a bit nonplussed that Tenet would yield to pressure from Card, a non-Cabinet appointee, but I can imagine a 'case' presented by Card that'd portray a lockstep oppositon to Tenet's interference -- and offering the very thin "figleaf" of blaming it on the Brits.

I'll pick the Andrew Card for $800, Alex.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:05 AM
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21. What about Cheney's right hand man, Lewis Libby?
He's been doing dirty work for Cheney for decades.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:57 AM
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30. It's a question of whether Tenet could be imagined
... as yielding to pressure from Libby. I don't think so. Traditionally, the VP's office is unable to dictate to heads of agencies and departments. Even though Cheney is the defacto 'President,' it's only doable through the manipulation and management of the Narcissist in the Offal Orifice. Thus, Card (whose very job it is to 'manage' the access of direct reports to the President) is the most logical candidate. He's both expendible and senior enough.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:35 AM
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13. Is Condi's assistant
considered "high ranking" in the White House?
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:35 AM
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14. It's not a question of who it really is as much as who they say it is...
...In reality it probably IS Cheney, but they aren't about to let Uncle Dick take the hit on this.

Now Colin, on the other hand, might be considered expendable. He was the last one to jump aboard the PNAC invasion train, and if recent press reports are true, at least partially resistant to the "bullshit" put out by the Fraudministration. I'm sure that some within the BCE would like to see Powell "retire". Of course the credibility of such accusations would be suspect, but after 48 hours of spin on FAUX News and hate radio, every sheep out there will believe that Powell (or whoever their designated lamb for the slaughter turns out to be) fabricated all the lies himself against Our Supreme Royal Idiot's wishes.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:39 AM
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18. I doubt it's Powell.
Indeed, Powell elided that very same reference from his UN speech just a little while afterwards. If anything, Powell is aligned with Tenet.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:37 AM
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16. I'll bet the unnamed source will be Blair.
Edited on Thu Jul-17-03 10:55 AM by cat_girl25
And Blair will have to admit that Clinton told him to include it. Remember, Clinton had secret meetings with Blair before the war.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 10:59 AM
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19. Tenet didnt' cave after all
he merely expedited Congress's participation in the mattter. Hee, hee.
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:03 AM
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20. My guess...
I think it's Scooter Libby. The reason I say it's not Cheney is Cheney would keep it at arms length. That's not to say it won't lead to Cheney in short order.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:12 AM
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22. Asst. National Security Advisor Handley(sp?) will take the fall
I heard his name last week (first time I had heard it) and alarms went off. That is my guess.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:12 AM
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24. Here's hoping
Edited on Thu Jul-17-03 11:12 AM by Amerikav60
The general public is smart enough to realize that even if Card or Libby are named, this goes right to the top.

As far as * goes, he is either going to have to admit complicity or ignorance. Of course he won't, but I hope people realize that it's one or the other.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:21 AM
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25. Condi or Dickie...
not Powell.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:26 AM
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27. Rove. Rove. Rove. Rove. Rove. Rove. Rove. Rove. Rove. Rove.
It could be Rove.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 11:27 AM
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28. Condi
In one article Durbin was quoted as saying something like, " Who is the person who insisted on this and why are they still in power?" He made it sound like one person but used the word " they " rather than " he " which could be anyone as there are so many man it could be. Of course, he could just be using bad grammar, but that's my guess. I think he didn't want to say " she."
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-03 12:08 PM
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32. Tweety Fingered David HADLEY and Scooter LIBBY
on the Don ANUS show yesterday (7-16), as being the go-fers, acting on behalf of CHEENEE.
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