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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:25 PM
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The United States... of India.
http://www.zdnet.com/5208-10532-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=15788&messageID=313759&start=-1

In less than two months time it has become clear that, between Cisco, Intel, and now Microsoft, India will get injected with at least $3.8 billion. China is getting similar injections. According to a report in InfoWorld, Intel chairman Craig Barrett talked about why education is making China more competitive while he was cutting the ribbon on a new $200 million test and assembly center his company built in the western Chinese city of Chengdu

Article has more and is a bit jaded too.

Many responses are interesting.

The usual pro-microsoft cretins don't know how to respond either; they prefer going off-topic, talking about how boring education is. (whatever)


I wrote this, of course:

* No incentive to work means nobody's going to waste the money studying. Never mind the debt incursion, thanks to insane bankruptcy *cough* reform. (so gates can tell us all to study computer science all he wants. His own actions are pie in his face.)

* If it's because we're too lazy and prefer to play video games all the doo dah day, how come corporate america sees fit to advertise more and more of these damn things to the public? All they do is keep people from each other, makes them sedentary, makes them lazy... makes them good in an army too, but how productive is that? Especiallt when there's less every day worth fighting for?

* There is no 'global economy' as the NEEDS for a person have not dropped to match the wage drop. Each country has a different base standard of living and our corporate elite made America's pretty high. I am not at fault for this. They are. And as they are in control, maybe they should have thought things out beyond their so-called "bottom line".

* I have a terrific work record, am enthusiastic, am smart, I could go on. To see and hear and read more and more about offshoring sure as hell doesn't make me feel better either.


Yes, many sub-20s are lazy. Many are not. But work on the problem and not take a whizz on the symptom. That does nothing to resolve the problem.

And why take the 30~50 year olds with them?

So let US corporations continue their seditious acts of treason. It happened under Reagan and Bush 1. Nobody noticed. Then Clinton allowed it to continue and all of a sudden, there's a big problem. (Sheesh, the problem started with Nixon - his trip to China was hardly out of altruism.) Indeed, google up "Reagan Clinton Lorel" and you'll see one example where Reagan would allow a company to sell high tech guidance system gear to China. When Lorel got Clinton to renew the deal, Clinton was outed, called a traitor, and everything else under the book.

Wake up America. Dems aren't the problem. Repubs aren't. The corporate elite buying into both their coffers is.

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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:29 PM
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1. This week I had to call Microsoft
Dish TV and our mobile phone company.

I think they were all in India. I'm not completely sure, but the accents sure sounded Indian. Kind of frustrating because I couldn't understand them and they couldn't understand me.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:34 PM
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2. Yup. Even my coworkers today have finally started talking about offshoring
I pity them.

A bit late in the day but they've almost figured it out.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:39 PM
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3. I've had the same experience, TGrannie
With HP re: a printer, and with a credit card and many solicitors.

I bite back the vocabulary that I'd like to give the dumbasses who thought this was a good idea, and ALMOST politely tell the phone rep to please inform their supervisor that I will no longer be using their credit card, printer, etc. because I cannot support a company who sends their customer service departments offshore.

Thank GOD I don't work for AIG anymore! I hear they are sending more and more of their departments offshore. I worked for SunAmerica while Eli Broad was at the helm and it was a wonderful experience. Once AIG bought EB out and took over, it became a hideous beast and I'm glad I'm outta there!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:44 PM
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4. There's only one solution: a Global Living Wage Treaty
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 06:47 PM by leveymg
No offshoring unless comparable wages for similar work are paid in the country where the investment is to be made.

The enforcement mechanism is a ban on all sales by that company in the US market and criminal and civil penalties against executives, board members and major investors. Pattern and practice offenders will have their corporate assets seized, and will be delisted as publicly traded companies, and foreign assets of such companies will be subject to attachment in American courts.
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