Let's Face it...We Dems are Dead and Gone and Buried...and what's left

[KoKo]

is being picked over by the carrions. The Media is out there "setting up Spin" for Bush Witdrawal from Iraq...and the Scandals are coming down the pike..but it's REPUG JUDGES and BUSH JUSTICE DEPARTMENT who will...in the end...decide who goes down...with light counts and pardons and the rest of the "let them go lightly" crap.

Dem Party has tried..and those who have been STALWART SUPPORTERS (not the Lobbyists) have tried so HARD FOR REFORM...but in the end...REPUGS VS. DEMS...It's the SAME OLD CRAP...Same Old and Same Old.

And..that's been since the 60's...when for once after FDR we had a BRIGHT NEW SHINING PRESIDENT...and he was trashed and killed.

My whole history with the Dem Party is always "Trash and Kill...Trash and Kill...Trash and Kill...

Until...there is no one left to stand as a Hero? Maybe there ARE no Champions...Maybe it's all an Illusion. Maybe this Country is SO FUCKED UP that nothing is left but spoils to the Media Whores...Carrion..picking over the bones and reassembling them in their own fashion? :shrug: VULTURES of Our Lives? Or just the Normal Course of Human Events?

[AuntPatsy]

1. Ummmmm, Wasn't Clinton president for eight years and a dem to boot?

[Deja Q]

6. Yeah, but his actions proved he was the best prez the repukes ever had.

NAFTA
welfare 'reform'
55mph speed limit dismantling
Jocelyn Elders
1996 telecom bill
DOMA
DMCA
Monica


I could go on for a long while, and I had done in the past.

[AuntPatsy]

16. Monica? 55mph speec llimit? welfare reform? Jocelyn elders?

hmmmmm,

[SammyWinstonJack]

32. Nothing like focusing on the negatives and ignoring

the positives of the Clinton Administration. :eyes: Please do go on. :eyes: Monica? :rofl:

[JVS]

45. 55mph speed limit dismantling?

If a 55 mph speed limit is something I need to support to be a liberal, then I'm not really interested in remaining one.

Other than that, I have no objection to your fine post

[Clark2008]

47. What was wrong with Jocelyn Elders?

I think masterbation is an EXCELLENT alternative to pre-marital sex and it was about time someone fucking (no pun intended) said it.

[KoKo]

20. There are so Many Dragons left out there...We must be the "Dragon Slayers"

but what my post is trying to say is...I think the Dragon Slayers are going to end up working for BOTH PARTIES!

In the end it's not going to be Repugs or Dems but US...the AMERICAN PEOPLE!

The fight moves on BEYOND PARTY affiliation...:shrug: That's what I think, anyway. The Fight for Human Rights now goes beyond both Party Affiliations..neither of which seem to be able to work for us out here.

:shrug: Just my opinion.

[Cocoa]

2. we can't give up!

if we give up, Christmas wins! :-)

[CatWoman]

7. Didn't the Grinch take care of that?

?

[ProSense]

3. It's not dead here

Corzine won in NJ. Seems the past election is a better reflection of where the Democrats stand.


The Democratic Party is alive and well and kicking Republican butt.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. And in Virgina

[Sanity Claws]

4. No -- you're nuts

I see the end of the Republican party. I genuinely don't see how it can survive the number of scandals rocking the party. A poll indicates that folks in DeLay's district would go for an unnamed Democrat over DeLay. That's quite a change.

[geekgirl72]

11. Sigh

Yeah but unfortunately they've got a couple years to turn things around, before the next presidential election. A lot of people's memories are short. :(

[FreedomAngel82]

19. Wait until the Abramoff thing is done

Than that'll be a good pop in their party. :popcorn:

[Just Me]

5. Ick.

x(

I guess I'll just give up now. There's just no use in all this. :cry:

[KoKo]

13. Oh NO! One NEVER GIVES UP! Why give up? Just look pragmatically

and where the battles are. I didn't mean this as a "Defeatist Post" for Cause for Justice and Freedom....

It was that we really need to "Pick" battles more carefully now that we see the "Landscape."

It's a HOPEFUL POST...:shrug:

[NVMojo]

8. koko, I understand where you are coming from but we can't give up ...

[graywarrior]

9. Koko01 Koko01 Koko01

Where have you been?

[KoKo]

23. Down in my "Thinking Bunker" working towards a NEW PARTY a Phoenix

Out of the ASHES PARTY...A GREAT PARTY...with the BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST TO LEAD US FORWARD INTO THE 21st CENTURYY!!!!

[graywarrior]

39. You've been my hero forEVER

[TallahasseeGrannie]

10. Oh my

I want to pat you on the back and say "here, here..it will be okay."

Because it will.

This is not the same old same old. This is different. Katrina, among other things, has made it different. And Delay and Schiavo and... I could go on but you get my drift.

Don't do this to yourself. This is the eternal struggle and it will go on long after you and I are gone. But right now we are on the high road and I like the view from here.

Forget about spin. Sure some will believe it, but not enough to keep the bastards in power. BELIEVE IT

[jaxx]

12. They'd love for us to lay down and die.

But don't make it so easy on them. I'll be damned if I'm going to act as if I like the bull they put out daily. As for the same old crap.......it's been like that forever, and I doubt it changes much. But quit.........never!!

[AuntPatsy]

14. Be part of the solution and not the problem, if you having a bad day

just say so, I am sure someone will talk with you.

[KoKo]

35. Aunt Patsy....A NEW DAY IS DAWNING! And some of that is GOOD...but

getting to that "New Day" takes those of us who have been out there in the "trenches" to work and reassess the Battle Plan.

Some of us are really sick and tired of the "Spin and Bait" culture here in America...reflected in our Media. :shrug:

[AuntPatsy]

37. I know ;-(, I don't know what to say, it must be the worst feeling

especially for those that have done so much, some people might not agree, but I believe letter writing, phone calling and the like to be just as exhausting as many other jobs and definately overlooked by many who think what they might do is much more important, all jobs are important no matter what one does as long as they do something no matter how small it might seem...

[still_one]

15. I think you will be plesantly surprised in 2006

don't believe the crap coming from the MSM

People in our country our pissed

[AuntPatsy]

17. Election REFORM and perhaps the pissed people will be heard..

[still_one]

22. it won't matter this time

there are enough angry people

[AuntPatsy]

25. I sure hope your words become phrophetic.

[stillcool]

21. Mind your head....

and feed it well. Always remember- garbage in...garbage out. That there is a vast right-wing conspiracy is no doubt...that there is way more of us than them is also no doubt. Nobody knows how all this will play out...even if it will be in our lifetime. But keep the faith, in humanity, and in the good that is in you. Great rant!:hi:

[skipos]

24. VA, CA and NJ 05. nt

[donheld]

26. I'm sorry you gave up

many of us here at DU are still fighting. Get back in the game.

[ChiciB1]

27. I Posted Something Akin To This Earlier At Politics

What I want to know is WHY when "the corrupt ones" in the WH NOW, change THEIR minds they aren't called FLIP-FLOPPERS!!

KoKo, I'm sooooo with you here. Call me a Push Me/Pull Me Doll! I know not where to go sometime. I fervently want to quash these thieving imbeciles, see an opening, get my hopes up, run around hootin' and hollerin' only to find in a few days time I'm the one who got QUASHED!!!

I keep coming back here because it's where I can wrap myself in what? Self pity? Don't know. Dems just seem to fracture themselves, lose UNITY or don't even get UNITY! It's all over the place and then they seem to roll over and play dead!

How many times have I caught myself screaming at the "boob tube?" What can I do? I walk the walk, I talk the talk and believe me I do it ALL THE TIME! Coming from a family of 6 girls, it is I that is labeled POLITICAL! Always with the facts in my head, and when not there know just where to find them. But who cares??? I babble politics and work politics and march politics, but sleep less at night. These days I feel more FEAR than ever before. It's insanity because I don't want to abandon the Democrats, but where does one go when we just seem to be standing still???

MSM... leads tonight about just HOW The Idiot's are fighting back, and rehash the Dean Scream!!! I first campaigned for George McGovern so I've been around the block once or twice.

Sure I backed Clinton (as a liberal, a bit strange) drove 4 hours to see him, worked hard for him too. Worked my heart out for Kerry/Edwards, really really hard! Did the same for almost ALL the Dems around, but sometimes look down and see that I'm only holding Candy Cotton as it evaporates before my eyes.

But I simply can't say that I back everything America does simply because it says America! My country, right or wrong... no that's not the way to be. A true Patriot will fight for their country, so I tell myself.

But I, like you fall into that awful pit so many times and wonder out loud... What The Hell Is Going On???

[ChiciB1]

30. One More Thing....

I'm also down here in the South... the Southwestern part of the very Southeast! It's called Repuke Land!

[KoKo]

33. I KNOW...WHAT YOU SAY! And why Shouldn't we VENT! And work towards

something Better?

I'm thinking down the road it's GOTTA BE...THIRD PARTY...but not the kind of "Third Parties" we've known in the past like Nader, and the rest who caused all kinds of trouble...even Ross Perot who got folks involved them left them at the Dumpster at the first chance he got some folks coming back at him.

I think...there will be a Huge FUSION of Disenfranchised Dems and Lefty Repugs who split off and run from Bush Neaderthal and "Salem Witch Trial" Politics who come together and form a "New Alliance."

I'm a way Lefty almost Socialist Dem on Human Rights Issues...but lean more to the Center Right on a few peanut issues.

There are many of us who don't quite fit in either Party....OUR DAY IS COMING! Unless the Dem LEADERSHIP WAKES UP...

That's what I'm saying, here. Feeling some "discontent" from myself and others who have worked so hard for Dems...that the "payback" is lacking..and we might need to move on from here. I expect there are others who are getting tired of being "Spun and Played." :shrug:

[ChiciB1]

38. Hey, I Even Went So Far As To Attend Some Green Party

meetings. All 20 of us!!!

From Britain we came basically, at least they still have "Question Time" in Parliament!!

I'm sure you've seen the angst by many here at DU about a Third Party, but what??? And how??? I'm a lefty too, but agree with you about those "peanut issues" but that's not a problem. I'm for CHOICE, not necessarily Abortion. Glad I never had to look it in the face, but don't really want my daughter to have one. So there you go. I'm "in your face" but generally don't squash the grapefruit up your nose. More a "kill 'em with kindness type" that comes in the back door when they ain't looking.

It's a bitch, Politics I mean. Gets in your blood and saps your energy, a true ADDICTION!

Remember that Bible phrase... seek and ye shall find? I'm really looking hard.

[lovuian]

28. Excuse me!!! those Dead dems are making up half of the Senate

and less than half in the House

so we are not by any means dead but if we continue there will be a third party to spring up cause we need some action!!!

[SkiGuy]

29. Go here

You need it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5530835

[ChiciB1]

31. I Have Been Reading The Kerry Stuff....

I have been reading the Murtha stuff, the Reid stuff, the Conyers stuff, the Boxer stuff and all those who have stepped forward to take a stand.

But as you said.... WE NEED ACTION, BUT IT MUST BE COUPLED WITH UNITY!!!

They drink the cool aid... we drink arsenic! We need a good drink!!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Dead and gone? Wow!

Jesus! Never Give Up!

[Burried News]

36. When we have them by the throat, piss in them - makes em cough

[LittleClarkie]

40. I'm not dead yet

(Shut up. You'll be stone dead in a minute)

I feel happy! I feel happy!

[welshTerrier2]

41. the Dems are NOT dead

there are several key issues, however, that the Dems refuse to engage on and this continues to kill the Party and the country ...

the issues all involve big money and the corruption of our democracy ... lobbyists poison the halls of Congress, our foreign policy is for and by mega-trans-national corporations and money has totally polluted our elections process ...

need an example? the Democrats have finally come around to saying the pre-war intelligence was "manufactured and manipulated" ... but they never address bush's motives ... we have an enemy in right-wing America who has sold out the country for commercial gain and Democrats refuse to tell the truth to the American people ... you can't win the battle if you won't identify the enemy ...

the Party isn't dead but it cannot reclaim its majority status either until it takes the gloves off and starts doing some truth-telling; the Dems aren't dead; they just seem that way ...

[KoKo]

42. We Dems didn't go after Florida Recount with Passion....we thought our

"elected Reps" would take care of it for us. We were WRONG! Under Clinton the Congress turned Conservative. We just didn't recognize it for what it was at the time. And, I'm not blaming us out here because we've tried to make up for our "Trust" ..."Innocent Trust" in "Checks and Balances." And we organized here on DU..ONE OF THE VERY FIRST AND ONLY "FORUM" where we could address our grievances.....and we combed "Bart Cop" and "Salon" for every tidbit of news that would verifiy what our "truthful eyes...not lying eyes...were telling us." :shrug:

[KingFlorez]

43. You're talking defeatist

That's what the Repukes want us to think, that the Democrats are dead and have no ideas.

[Toots]

44. The Darkest Hour is just before Dawn

:+

[JVS]

46. When I worked from midnight till noon, I discovered that that cliche is BS

The darkest hour was usually from around 2AM to 3AM. The sky would get a little lighter blue around 4 and then in a couple of hours dawn would occur.