What dog breed tore the face off the transplant lady? Pit bull? Rottweiler?

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steinberg/cst-nws-stein05.html

Look at it this way: You saw the story late last week about the woman who had a face transplant in France. Did you notice what happened to her old face? Chewed off by a dog. Did you notice what breed of dog maimed her? Probably not, because it wasn't a pit bull. It was a Labrador. Gentle, playful, good with kids. I rest my case.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. I hear what you are saying, but I missed your case. What was it?

You have a link? lol

[MissWaverly]

2. 2 Rottweilers attacked my dog

he was a scottie mix, he never fully recovered and was dead in 2 months, their owner, was a young women who said that she just
could not control them. My dog was the originally tail wagging friendly dog. No one should have a dog that is "uncontrolable."

[hollowdweller]

34. Difft. Rotts have bit my wife, bit my dog and killed my2peacocks

I hate them.

200 vet bill on my 1 dog.

200 hospital bill on my wife

the Peacocks were $75 each and the owner didn't reimburse me.

I have a zero tolerance for them now. If they are chasing my poultry they get the .243 treatment.

[MissWaverly]

38. I believe the source for hound of baskervilles was a Rottweiler

I too had an enormous vet bill, which Miss "I can't control them" did
not contribute to, she just stood there whining while one of the dogs
shook my dog in its mouth, I truly believe these dogs are dangerous.

[Botany]

3. It was not a Lab it was Pit/Cheney

no one of these

[acmejack]

10. A fearsome breed indeed!

Pit cheney, very good.

[RebelOne]

14. I have a Rottweiler and she is a big baby

and loves other dogs. Why do Rotties have such a bad rap?

[ninkasi]

28. As a former Rottweiler owner...

I can tell you that they get a bad rap because they are raised by bad owners. Mine, who died of cancer at the age of 8, was also a big baby. My vet LOVED her, and told me that she was the sweetest dog he had ever had as a patient. She was raised to be loving and gentle, and so she was.

Some people, for whatever reason, get dogs like rotties, pit bulls, or whatever, and train them to be mean and bad. It's up to the owner to determine how a dog turns out. Rotties do take an enormous amount of patience, because they are puppies until they are about 2 or 3, but are puppies in a huge body. Responsible pet ownership is the answer.

[hollowdweller]

35. They are a favorite of drug dealers and rednecks who fight them here.

[DenaliDemocrat]

37. I disagree

I have been in the dog game a long time. Working retrievers, pointers and German Versatiles. Field trials, hunting retriever tests, seminars, you name. I get my hands on about five or so dogs every year for training for other people.

I have drahthaars now, hunting dogs known for their aggressiveness because they were used for boar and bear in Germany as well as waterfowl and upland birds. They are excellent dogs, and some are sharper than others, but to pretend that genetics has nothing to do with it is purely ridiculous.

A dog's temperment is to a degree determined by their genes, and also their upbringing. Don't get me wrong, training can overcome a lot of stuff, but if you have a dog with bad breeding, it is a loaded gun waiting to go off.

[ninkasi]

41. That was the reason

I insisted on checking out her parent's temperament. Both parents were even tempered, and very loving. The man who bred the dogs had insisted on even temperament before he bred the two. It takes some background checking, and any dog can be the victim of bad breeding, and bad upbringing.

Mine never bit anybody, never snapped at anybody, and never tried to hurt anybody. Owning a large, powerful dog comes with many responsibilities, and far too few owners are willing to do their homework, and spend the many, many hours it takes to properly socialize and train their dogs.

[bluedawg12]

43. The only dog that ever attacked me was a golden retriever

who picked up my little terrier by the throat and I got in the middle.

Now, years later I am on my third pitbull. They are very intelligent and strong, they must be raised with love and you have to earn their trust.

I never yell at them, I never ever hit them. They do respond to the word "No!" and they really want to please their humans and be loved.

I am sure people can breed for characteristics, but I am also sure that many people treat dogs in a cruel and evil way. And they can take a smart and loving creature and turn it into something dysfunctional- like they do with their own kids, I am sure.

I raised five kittens, one is 90% blind after some ass hat shot her, and they tolerate the kittens walking all over them, nipping their ears and eating their food.

You don't raise a border collie in a small apartment- they need to run, you don't raise a pitpup with out lots of attention and affection and bonding, and exercise. They need to run and play daily.

[leveymg]

4. It was a Repug, you ninny.

;-)

[luxpara]

5. check it -

"Up until recently, the recipient was reportedly the victim of a dog attack. However news is circulating now that the damage was caused after the recipient attempted suicide by taking a pill overdose, and the dog - described in various reports as either a a labrador or rottweiler - caused her injuries while trying to awaken her. One news outlet credited the woman's 17 year old daughter as the source for this suicide scenario, however so far the hospital is denying the reports."

http://www.dogs-r-it.com/dog-attacks/2005/12/face-transplant-dog-attack-or-rescue.php

I still don't trust dogs bred to kill, I'd take a change with a lab any frikkin day.

[Caoimhe]

6. yes and it was her pet dog. things happen.

[SoCalDem]

7. No matter the breed, dogs are animals and can be trained to be mean

or if abused, can strike out randomly..

our labs only ever bit one person,. We don;t even know who it was, but someone tried to scale our fence one afternoon, and was met by "the girls". there was blood on both sides of the fence, and pocket change on both sides..

The girls didn;t get an allowaance, so I can only assume that whoever was trying to climb our fence made a hasty retreat, minus his change.. $2.00 or so, if I recall.

[Botany]

12. I had a lab for 13.5 years

He was the biggest baby you would ever meet. A cocker spaniel used to
kick his butt but one night a man who was not wanted tried to walk through
the front door. Mac had him pinned in less then 15 seconds. He looked
@ me as if asking what he should do ..... I told the guy he better not move
a finger .... he didn't and Mac kept guard of him as the cops came.
He played with the cops and then went back to sleep by my son who
was a baby.

Damn I miss him.

[seabeyond]

21. my lab would hide behind the steps when someone in alley,

he was HUGE..........and we would hide. we would laugh. have a beagle mix female now. she stands guard all night to sleep in day. doesnt let anyone near without sounding an alarm.

[Double T]

8. I've got a Rottweiler/Pit Bull mixed breed dog........

he is extremely intelligent and very affectionate BUT gets lots of bad press from my other extended family members, because of his genes. Ignorance is no excuse when it comes to dog breeds. My experience with dog behavior relates to how they are raised from pups and how they are treated as adults thereafter.

[luxpara]

11. you know, I thinks it's not just nurture -

it's nature as well. And after years and years of breeding them to be fierce, just raising them nicely probably doesn't stop the possiblity of a uncalled for violent reaction.

If some one wants to own one, I say fine - as long as they can keep it safely away from others.

[NNN0LHI]

15. My personal breed choice is based upon worst case dog scenarios

I ask myself if the dog had a brain embolism or just went nuts for any reason could I control the motherscratcher? If the answer is no I don't want any part of them.

I have a neighbor with a couple of St. Bernards and I wonder what he would do if one of them ever turned on him or his kids? They must weigh over 150 pounds each. The guy couldn't stop them without a baseball bat at minimum. If he could even get to one.

I just prefer smaller more manageable dogs myself. But as you say if someone wants the larger ones it is OK with me as long as they keep them safely away from others.

Don

[RebelOne]

16. Yes, I agree with how they are treated as adults.

My Rottie was adopted from a good friend of mine who wanted a more aggressive dog. My dog is the biggest baby ever because I have made her that way. She loves all other dogs and does not have a mean bone in her body. Strangers are intimidated by her because of her breed. But that's OK because that keeps my house from being broken into like a few of my neighbors.

[bluedawg12]

44. They are extremely intelligent, my male pit is almost human

in his reasoning and memory. the female is from the shelter, she is a brindle boxer/pit mix, and she is the apple of the little male pit's eye.

He spends hours grooming her and let's her wrestle with him and even pin him down.

But he is my boy. I love him lot's and kiss his head and hug him daily and in return I have a gentle, smart, loyal, playful, funny, little guy who loves me in return.

the problem maybe that people buy this breed and don't have the time to bond with them or the space to let them run.

The secret to pit's is lot's of love and lot's of exercise and play time, then some food and more love and attention. Their intelligence makes them a handful, meaning, he sits, stares, and whines if I don't pet him in the evening. yet, he is never mean or jealous of the girl pup, nor of the cats.

[Quixote1818]

9. The probability of a Lab doing such thing is much lower than the

probability of a Pit Bull or Rottweiler. Their is always the chance you come across a Labrador that has been abused or whatever and has become aggressive but the probability is tiny compared to these other breeds. I think based on probability Pit Bull's and Rottweiler's and any other breed that tends to be aggressive and kill children and people should not be sold as pets.

It's a probability issue and I have heard of way too many people being killed by Pit Bulls and Rottweiler's.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

13. I read it was a Labradoodle

:shrug:

[0007]

20. Here is a Labradoodle

[tocqueville]

17. what I know of it's a somber story

the woman was very depressed and on sleeping pills after a dispute with her daughter. She woke up groggy and in the dark tripped on and fell on the dog that felt attacked. It's known that dogs can react violently when they don't recognize the person (changed behaviour by alcohol, drugs), specially in the first moments. All can happen very rapidly with devastating consequences.

Besides it wasnt the whole face, only the lower part.

There may be other details that are unknown. The daughter claimed on radio that it was a suicide attempt and that the dog tried to wake her up by biting.

[PDJane]

18. Remember that Labs have been

over-bred, too, and rather carelessly in some cases. That has led to the odd vicious labrador.......

[natrat]

25. i think your on to something

"let sleeping dogs lie"--my girlfriend tried to move our dog on the bed one night and he woke up with his jaws flying and split her lip. We forgave him, but it sucked. Dogs can be wonderful but they have there own language and come from a different world.

[Maine-ah]

19. it was a lab mix

thats what all the news reports have been. I have a pure choco, and a lab mix, my in laws breed labs. Not something you'd expect this breed to do. But, it depends on the mix, the way the dog was raised, ect.

on edit, that goes for most breeds (the way they'r raised, treated)

[Lautremont]

22. What's the case you've so eloquently rested?

That not every single dog attack is perpetrated by a pit bull or rottie, just most of them?

[Quixote1818]

23. LOL!

:rofl:
It looks like you rest your case too and I think you won.

[NNN0LHI]

24. That is the writer from the Sun-Times thoughts not mine n/t

[seabeyond]

26. like i care about the writer. he doesnt live across from two pits

one known to attack a neighboring rot...... and i with two little boys that like to play in the front yard.

nope. dont really give a shit what the writer has to say

[NNN0LHI]

27. Have you considered moving?

If I felt my children were in jeopardy of being mauled by dogs I sure would give it some thought.

Don

[seabeyond]

29. my parents lived in this home for decades

my mom gutted this house and created her ideals. all the grandkids hung out at this house, especially holidays. we bought it when my mom committed suicide day after christmas a decade ago. this house has been a healer to all the family. it is the place family gathers. my moms flowers still come up in spring.

no. i havent considered moving

shooting the dogs, but not moving. no.

but interesting the burden is put on me, and moving rather than the owner of the threat to children

[NNN0LHI]

33. Burden is always on the parent to provide the safest environment possible

Let me give you an example. When my wife, two children and I moved back here to Illinois from Indianapolis in the 1980's we had a choice of two homes in this subdivision we all liked. One home we all liked better but was butted right up to the small lake here and there was no back yard. Just lake. My wife and I were both worried about one of the kids getting drowned so we took the one on the other side of the road from the lake to be on the safe side.

Well we could have got the other one for 5 grand less than this one at that time and the one on the lake is now worth 30 grand more than this one. And we still like that one better than the one we are currently living in. And the kids are now all grown up. Damn! But I suppose we still made the right decision for that time.

And I am very sorry to hear about your mother. Take care and see you later.

Don

[MisterP]

30. the OP's predicated on an attitude like that existing--which unfortunately

it seems to

[HamdenRice]

31. Here's the guilty dog,

He has just finished eating:



After a hard day of eating face, he had to relax and watch some TV:

[Greylyn58]

32. Any breed of dog can do damage

if not raised properly in a good, loving home. Certain dogs are known to be more territorial then others, but if raised correctly they shouldn't be a problem and make loyal, loving companions.

The trouble starts with people who want a big, macho dog and don't have the slightest idea how to treat or control them. I decided I wanted a Golden Retriever and I read and researched tons before I even looked for a breeder. I wanted to know what I was getting in to. I've never regretted it as I love my boy Sheridan with all my heart. He'll be 10 years old this month.

Every dog--whether pure breed or mutt--needs to go through obedience classes. These classes are as much for the owner as they are for the dog and help you understand and control your dog.

I've met loads of people who buy or adopt a dog and just stick them in the backyard and think thats all thats needed other than feeding them. It's sad and makes for a very unhappy dog in most cases and it's the unhappy dog that causes so many of the stories we hear or read about.

[bloom]

36. I had some kind of Lab go for my face once too

broke the skin - but at least it didn't take my face off.

Maybe Labs go for faces - pit bulls go for kills.

[dflprincess]

39. My uncle had a lab that went for his face

He wound up having to have reconstructive surgery on his nose (my uncle, not the dog). My aunt and uncle had had him for several years when this happend. Both my aunt and uncle were dog lovers and this particular lab was a stray that they kept when they couldn't find the owner. Hard to say what kind of life the dog had had before he came to live with them. The dog never was the typical friendly lab and all us kids were a little leery of him even before he went after Unc.

[MrMonk]

40. There was a mention in some article (which I now cannot find)

that the dog was pulling on the woman to awaken her (she apparently was stoned) because of some hazard in the house (fire?). Why the dog went to the face, I could not fathom.

on edit: google "face transplant daughter" to see a number of articles on this. There apparently is a dispute between the daughter who says that her mother attempted suicide and the dog bit her to wake her up and the mother who says that she took just one pill and was awake by the time that the dog chewed her face.

In answer to the OP question, the dog was a cross between a labrador
and a beauceron. From an AKA-related site (lost link), a beauceron is a shepherd/guard dog, aggressive and socially dominant, that requires an especially firm hand. Will bite if frightened, startled or imposed upon. Quite different from the reputation of the friendly, easy-going retrievers.

Also see post #17.

[bluedawg12]

42. My two pits are curled up sleeping in bed, a kitten near by

they all spent the day eating, sleeping, and playing.
They nearly licked me to death playing with a piece of tissue in my hand that I was hiding from them and they spent an hour cullding with each other. the older male cleans the younger females's face and ears and she curls up under his chin, literally in his arms.

They are smart, loyal and affectionate creatures. They are strong and have a ton of energy.

This breed does not raise itself, they need love, attention and play time. Pretty much like kids, if you want them to turn out to be good.

I never yell or raise my voice and have never, ever, thought of smacking them physically, they respond to my voice and are desperate to please. Pretty much like kids if you want them to turn out to be good.

This lady's story is a tragedy, don't know the details, but dogs hurt people, people hurt people, but stereotypes are not always accurate.

Just my two cents.

[radwriter0555]

45. It was reported in the regional papers here as a lab mix she'd recently

rescued from the shelter.

(We're in France)

The dog was immediately destroyed.