Forget who you want as President, who do you THINK will get the

[Quixote1818]

nomination?


My fear and gut feeling tels me it will be Hillary. Just a gut feeling based on a track record of us nominating moderate Democrats. Lets face it, DU is much further to the left than most Democrats are and Hillary has the establishment behind her.

It is possible she will be abandoned at the last minute out of a fear that she cant beat a McCain or moderate Republican and someone like Biden, Warner or Edwards will get the nod.

My preference is Clark but I fear it will be Hillary. Of course anything could happen and I will work hard for Clark.

[Der Blaue Engel]

1. Are we worrying about this right now?

So many more pressing issues.

[MADem]

3. I agree, and think only time will tell

No one thought Bill Clinton had a PRAYER two years ahead of the contest...hell, even when primary season started, they thought he'd be knocked out of the running with scandals about his inhaling and Miss Flowers. But he kept coming back, and kept winning!

It is WAY too soon to pick and choose. Everyone has ideas about who will make it to the scrum, but only after debates, discussion of issues, the press posse coverage in the big primary states, and the candidates' appearances on TV will we have an idea of who has the wind at their back.

[MrBenchley]

9. For that matter....

Up to the eve of the Iowa Caucus, the one accepted fact was that John Kerry's candidacy was dead....

It's way too early to even fuss about this...too much stuff is going to happen between here and primary season....

[Quixote1818]

4. I knew I would get a reply like this

Their are always one of two of you that come out of the woodwork and throw negativity into a topic as though you get to decide what topics should or should not be discussed. DU is a place for people to chat and discuss different topics. Their are NO rules to which topics should be discussed and this is a topic I thought would be FUN to discuss and I anticipate others will find fun as well. If you don't want to participate then please click on ignore.

[WI_DEM]

8. That's right

if they don't want to discuss the topic, I always wonder why they respond? This is a big board and plenty of room to discuss a wide array of topics.

[Der Blaue Engel]

14. Asking a question is part of discussion

I always wonder why people respond so out-of-proportion with a simple difference of opinion. Especially when I try to be respectful with my differences. There are plenty of truly nasty posts about to take exception to.

[MrBenchley]

10. Geeze, then you shouldn't be so surprised....

It's not anybody else's fault that you don't like the way the discussion turned....

[Der Blaue Engel]

13. How was I negative?

I'm always baffled by the way people react to things on DU. As if I said you were stupid or told you to shut up or made any kind of disparaging remark. All I asked was why we were worrying about this right now. You could simply tell me why you think it's important, if you do.

And it's funny that such an innocuous statement also prompted "why do you even respond" comments. So I'm not allowed to respond unless I'm heartily endorsing whatever it is the OP is expressing at that moment?

Relax, take a deep breath, and stop assuming the worst of everyone.

Christmas/Kwanzaa/Chanukkah/Winter Solstice is coming, the goose is getting fat. :)

[Quixote1818]

21. Would you ask such a question outside the internet?

Imagine you are visiting with friends at work and someone says: "Who do you all think will get the Democratic nomination in 08'?"

Would you then pipe up and say "Why are we discussing this topic now???? What's the use!"

If you did you would very likely get a very pissed off look from the person who started the conversation. It throws cold water on a topic and is inconsiderate to the person initiating the topic. It's common courtesy to respect a persons topic and not minimize it.

[Der Blaue Engel]

22. Yes, I would ask the question

But not in the tone of voice you're imagining.

I'm sorry you felt that I was throwing cold water on your topic, that wasn't my intent. Maybe I need to use more smilies? :)

[Quixote1818]

28. Thanks for being nice

Sorry I jumped on you. It just seems like every-time I start a topic about 08' I get one or two people chastising me for looking past 06. I shouldn't have assumed you were talking down to me but just chatting. No harm done.



:hi: :pals:

[MADem]

20. There have been at least ten threads on this--why not add on to an

existing one, rather than start a new one? I'm not suggesting that your effort is vanity, or trying to net nanny, mind you, but why not contribute your thoughts to one of the many, interminable existing threads and keep the discussion going there? It might make for a better conversation, if that is indeed your goal. And there are so MANY to choose from:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1949961

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2264734

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2272903

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2274542

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5461686

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=296&topic_id=2610

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5454247

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5455986

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5426502

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=358&topic_id=781

I do think a bit of centralization makes for a better discussion of the issue, rather than have a load of threads with few responses. I'm no computer pro, but it just seems wasteful IMO to have so many threads on the same subject.

Also, not that it matters, but those of us who do feel it is too soon to cast our support in stone have a right to that opinion. It is an equally valid viewpoint, and should not be censored.

[Quixote1818]

23. Some of those posts are over a week old!

Sat Nov-19-05 06:48 PM
Original message

You have way too much time on your hands going back and finding week old threads to prove your point.

This is the first time I have logged into DU for over a week. I don't have the kind of time you have to find week old topics and bring them back to life.

[MADem]

26. MOST are NOT

But you made my point--this has been discussed ad infinitum.

If I have been away for a bit, I do try to use the greatly appreciated search function to find a topic I want to talk about, rather than post away and have people come back at me and say "Not THIS again!!!." I just think it is polite. No sense in repeating things that people have already said.

But hey, your mileage may vary. I suspect it does.

[Quixote1818]

30. Perhaps we can work together to stop any more 08' threads?

Pondering 08' is a very broad topic with many candidates and angles. Doing a search that would bring up all the different threads devoted to the subject would be impossible. If I did a search for 08' candidate threads who knows what would come up.

Thanks for the heads up on how overdone this topic is. I will make a point to throw cold water on the thousands of similar threads that will be started on DU in the next three years. I hope you will be with me in pointing out how foolish they are too.


:eyes:

[MADem]

35. I can't help you if you take offense like that

I simply think that a thousand threads on the same topic dilute the discussion. Pardon me for expressing my opinion.

[MissWaverly]

2. I think Clark

Sen. Clinton did not do very well in a poll against McCain, I think
McCain will be the Republican front runner.

[Quixote1818]

5. I hope you are right

He sure is popular here on DU and hopefully Democrats are comfortable with Clark now and realize he really is a Democrat. I think that hurt him last time. He started out as front runner but was a little green and made some mistakes. People didn't know weather to trust his Democratic credentials. That won't be an issue next time so hopefully he will be running on all cylinders this time.

[MissWaverly]

32. I think we need someone strong enough to outsmart neocons

We are really going to have to face the old Republican demonizing
the Dems as wimps, which I still don't understand but Clark can't
be demonized as weak on national security. I also think someone needs to take control of the Pentagon, and the neocons, I think someone with a military background would be better at this than anyone else.

[WI_DEM]

6. As of right now Hillary is the odds on favorite

She is polling well. She can raise alot of money. Alot of Dem voters, particularly young women, will support her because she would represent a first--a woman nominated for president. She has a strong link, obviously, to Bill Clinton who is like a God in some quarters of the Democratic party. Probably because of the "Clinton" name she will probably do well with minority voters.

Personally I don't want her to be the nominee, because I don't think she can win a general election--among other factors, but I'm convinced she can win the Democratic nomination.

[politicaholic]

7. Hillary is the GOP sponsored Dem candidate...

in the conservative realm Hillary is a forgone conclusion. Don't believe it.

There will be some new people that throw their hats in the ring, that freshness will ignite the dem party, and the media will be too savvy to succomb to a Rovian spin.

Just watch, I think you'll be surprised.

[MrBenchley]

12. Yeah, just look at all her GOP support (snicker)

It must be nice to be so far out of touch with reality that you think the Republicans favor Hillary Clinton.

[politicaholic]

31. You're not thinking about it...

The GOP has years worth of propaganda and bashing that they to use/used against Hillary to cash in on. Now, they want the democratic party to install her as our candidate of choice so that all they have to do is open their large dossier of anti-Hillary talking points and allow them to pick her apart.

Look how easily they took a decorated war veteran and made him look like he was throwing american soldiers in front of Vietcong bullets with his bare hands.

You listen to the way the GOP talking heads speak and they say "when Hillary gets the nomination" as if it were already decided. This is done to get a reaction from those they have been propagandizing to. They want them to automatically knee jerk back to the republican side.

I don't know, perhaps you're just missing my point. I'll tell you, neither my idea nor I are as out of touch with reality as you think on this issue.

[MrBenchley]

34. Wow...and that by you is "thinking"?

By that "logic" or whatever the fuck it is, we ought to become Republicans ourselves to avoid being attacked....

"all they have to do is open their large dossier of anti-Hillary talking points"
Oooooh! Let's hide under the bed! The GOP has talking points!

[politicaholic]

36. Well, aren't you just the intellectual juggernaught...

You have absolutely nothing to say. Nothing to add.

Listen man, beyond being rude, you should take into account that talking points, propaganda, and rhetoric have been extremely powerful in American politics for more than 200 years now. From the pamphlets of Thomas Paine to the Swift Boat Veterans, words have influenced...

Screw it, I'm wasting my time with you.

[MrBenchley]

38. Compared to SOME people, yeah, I am....

"you should take into account that talking points, propaganda, and rhetoric have been extremely powerful in American politics for more than 200 years now."
So let's fold up shop because the GOP might use talking points!

"Screw it, I'm wasting my time with you. "
Not just with me, chum.

[SaveElmer]

11. My HOPE and gut feelin tells me Hillary will get it...

And if she does...she will win the general, I have no doubt!

[Quixote1818]

17. If she does I will support her 100% but she is not my first choice

I do think she is extremely smart though. She is definitely a heavy weight.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Wes Clark. He's the best man for the job at this time in our history.

:hi:

[meisje]

16. Hillary is Alan Colmes in a skirt!!!!

[helderheid]

18. I'll support Russ Feingold if he runs. Would love for him to win the nom..

but will support whomever does!

http://russforpresident.com/

[Rowdyboy]

19. If Hillary runs, there will be an anti-Hillary, probably someone who

opposes the war in Iraq (which I believe will still be grinding on). My money would be on Clark, Edwards, Warner or Richardson-in that order.
And I agree that is fun to speculate about 2008. I don't get why people feel the need to show up just to tell how meaningless they think the thread is. If I find a thread topic undeserving of comment, I don't bother checking in to tell them their discussion is worthless.

Can you imagine walking up to a group of people at a party and saying "What an irrelevant discussion you people are having. Why don't you talk about something that I consider important?" But the anonymity of the internet allows people to act in ways totally unacceptable in polite society.

[MiniMe]

24. Who knows, it could be somebody completely unknown now

We have to get through 2006 first

[0007]

25. Way to early for any predictions at this point.

[ThomWV]

27. Hillary = Suicide For The Party

It would be the first time in my 4-decades long voting streak that I would not vote for a Democratic candidate. Really. I would not vote for her. I have been voting for Democrats for President since 1968.

[Conan_The_Barbarian]

29. Chuck Norris

After reading about what that guy is capable of I'd think winning the presidency would be a breeze for him.

[blm]

33. Whoever performs best at the debates.

.

[vw.tech]

37. My opion is that

Hillary is a little too far left for most Dems. And I belive that that would cause her to loose the election to, my guess would be McCain. But then again what do I know? I will just sit back and wait the rest of us...

[triguy46]

39. Someone who's name is not considered in the running today n/t