The republican party's biggest problem with the war:

[Bouncy Ball]

they were horribly wrong to begin with.

(Yeah, I know, they have a LOT of problems. I'm just addressing this one.)

When you are as wrong as they were (are) on an issue as big and as multi-faceted as this one, it's just impossible to squeeze something right out of it.

It's been interesting watching them do these inhuman contortions to try to make it seem right. But that has come at a VERY high price--the death of troops and Iraqis.

The only thing they can do at this point is fall back on the same old tired cliche bullshit that means nothing, and more and more people are realizing their arguments are like cotton candy. Looks like it's there, but you touch it and poof, it's gone. Completely insubstantial.

Doing it to take out Saddam Hussein? Problem: you can't attack a country just to remove the leader.

9/11 and al-Queda connection? Never was there in the first place. Terrorism is now a bigger problem and the Middle East is more unstable than ever.

WMDs? It is to laugh. I don't even need to say more.

But, But, But Clinton Thought He Was a Risk, Too! Problem: Clinton obviously didn't think the intelligence was compelling enough to wage a pre-emptive war on Iraq. Know how I know that? Because he didn't do it! bushco, on the other hand, were stupid enough to think so. Or craven enough to think the American people would be duped into thinking so. Oooops!

Have I covered just about everything? The fighting them there so we won't have to fight them here "argument" assumes terrorists can't possibly be in the Middle East AND here at the same time. Um, not. It's also a way of saying "yeah we thought we'd drop the troops off there with big ol' targets painted on their backs." Support the troops? My ass.

So where else do the bushites have to go with this? Rebuilding Iraq, making it a stable democracy? So why are theocrats and their militias running the place? And why don't we trust the Iraqis, almost three years later, to be able to do it without us there? They've SAID they want us to leave. So why are we still there if a sovereign nation has said "leave NOW." ???

What freaking "argument" do they have left? They're out of lies. They're painted into a corner, because this whole thing was fucked up from the word "go."

The propaganda has worn thin. Only Americans who are very heavily emotionally invested in bushco "winning" politically are still unquestioningly rah-rahing the war.

And shame on them. People are dying for this pack of lies.

[NMDemDist2]

1. you forgot the huge deficit it's caused. that, more than anything, is the

thing that will turn old style conservatives against them

[Bouncy Ball]

2. Yep, the money. The billions and billions of dollars.

[BillZBubb]

5. You mean a TRILLION!

The whole Bushco Middle Eastern Maniacal Mystery Tour will cost a trillion $ before all is said and done.

[teryang]

6. Yes and they are losing the war, this is the critical fact

Losing a war sets a precedent for at least a generation. It's not only the cost but the complete lack of any tangible benefit. It's all negatives no matter how much the counter propaganda tries to spin it. Losing a war is political death for any administration.

The latest is that the Sunni's are trying to negotiate. This is a feeble media attempt to try to create an impression of progress. There is no progress. In fact the situation is continuing to deteriorate faster than anyone anticipated. Just standing still would be failure but the situation is getting worse in spite of the colossal expenditure of resources. There is no security in Iraq, period.

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. Hi Bouncy! Long time, no hear!

[Bouncy Ball]

4. Hi Rabrrrrrr!

:hi:

What's going on?

[Rabrrrrrr]

7. Nothin' much - just drinkin' some awesome tea, and gettin' ready to do

some readin', before going to bed early.

I've enjoyed having three days actually off. S'wonderful!!

The tea, by the way, is a mix of White Tea and Spring Tea, from TenRen tea company - high quality tea at a really high price, but worth it. You'd love it! Very delicate. Extraordinarily delicate.