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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:44 PM
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Falwell announces he will SUE those that spread misinformation about Xmas!


ORLANDO, Fla. (UPI) -- Conservative U.S. evangelist Jerry Falwell has announced he will sue any group that alters or forbids traditional Christmas events.

Falwell has linked his 24,000-strong congregation with the conservative, Florida-based conservative legal organization, Liberty Counsel in what he calls the "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign," the Boston Herald reported.

In his weekly e-mail to 500,000 people, Falwell called for resistance to such groups as the American Civil Liberties Union "and others who intimidate school and government officials by spreading misinformation about Christmas."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20051123-12425200-bc-us-falwell.xml
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:46 PM
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1. On what grounds??
Is it now illegal to slander a holiday?
:rofl:
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:47 PM
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2. I hear those fundie checkbooks opening
GOD seems to be the Republican's only source of fundraising lately.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:47 PM
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3. So does he deny that
Jesus was probably not born any where near Dec. 25th and that the early church only used that day as it was a Roman pagan holiday?

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:49 PM
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13. self-delete
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 09:28 PM by ...of J.Temperance
Inappropriate comment.
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 02:47 PM
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113. XMAS is all pagan, Tree / gifts / time of year. It is called YULE!
Yule tide greetings!

SUE ME!!!!
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:47 PM
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4. like denying the existance of Santa Claus????
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:02 PM
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58. OK, Dr. Dan, now you've done it. You're first.
With your permission, I would like to be next: Santa Claus does not exist. It it a myth -- a nice one to be sure -- but a myth all the same.

OK, Jerry: Bring it on.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:47 PM
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5. self-delete
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 09:29 PM by ...of J.Temperance
Inappropriate comment.
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AndyP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:47 PM
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6. How bout Xmas
When I was in catholic school we always got yelled at for calling it xmas. They said it takes christ out of christmas. Seems they aren't too knowledgeable on their own faith
http://www.bartleby.com/61/80/X0008000.html

I thought the republicans were against frivolous lawsuits?!
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #6
23. The X represents a cross. It is an old abbreviation from England
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:10 AM
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75. I had Koine (NT) Greek in college --
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 09:10 AM by LostinVA
The X=Chi, which stands for Christos, or Christ. So, the Christ is STILL in "Xmas," Jerry.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:34 PM
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45. I still can't write Xmas
It was hard to do it there in my heading. I can hear Sr. Michael Mary yelling at me right now! Ouch!!
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:47 PM
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7. I couldn't get the story to load for me. What grounds does he think he has
to sue anybody? Whose definition of "traditional"? What has he been smoking? (Oh...wait...it's Falwell...he's just plain crazy.)
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
86. Crazy? Yes, but if he HAS been smoking something,
what is it, and where can I score some? B-)
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:48 PM
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8. The original Grinch who steals Christmas
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:48 PM
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Bwaahahaha!
This oughta be fun to watch. AU and the ACLU will eat him alive.

:popcorn:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:18 PM
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89. Well, he has inspired me to change my sig pic at least. (nt)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:48 PM
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9. Ok, then I say we get some pagans together and sue over the
use of Xmas trees. Lousy tradition stealing fundies!
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #9
44. Why, that's right. . .
seems to me there is nothing in the Fundy bible that claims using evergreen and pine trees to decorate with secular balls is a religiously "traditional" form of celebration.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #44
57. Although maybe there's mention in Song of Songs about
making out under a sprig of holly? *lol*
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:11 AM
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76. We can all put an ad in the Lynchburg paper
Relating the Pagan origins of Xmas. I bet you the Seven Hills ADF would do it with us. They are a long-time, well-respected druid community in Lynchburg.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:59 AM
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101. Sign me up!
During the decade I converted and was a Perfect Christian Mom, I really didn't feel comfortable celebrating Christmas because of its pagan overtones. The holiday season is so much more fun around my house now that I've embraced paganism.

Falwell is such an idiot, he either doesn't have a clue what the Bible really says or just doesn't give a damn. Please, please, shine a bright light on his buffet bible-thumping!

:applause:
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:56 PM
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107. I'll be there
I was once attending a church where the pastor had grown up in Lynchburg at Falwell's madrassah, a point he proudly repeated throughout his sermon -- I nearly walked out, when the good pastor told us that people on welfare were all going to hell.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:46 PM
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83. I'm in!
Count me in! Not to mention mistletoe, holly, Yule logs, (rein)deer, Santa Claus and his elves, and the date itself, which was the birthday of various solar deities, including Mithras. Besides, shepherds apparently don't let their flocks out in the fields at night in the Middle East until sometime around April. :D
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:48 PM
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10. And his standing in such a suit would be what?
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 08:48 PM by JerseygirlCT
This makes no sense whatsoever. So that doesn't surprise me in the least.

Totally a PR ploy to up his fundraising numbers. Watch for the direct mail and telephone campaigns to follow.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:48 PM
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11. That's right! There were NINE reindeer, dammit!
I hope Falwell sues anyone who forgets Rudolf, especially after all he suffered. He may not have been scourged and nailed to a cross on Good Friday, but missing out on those reindeer games is pretty brutal.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:18 PM
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38. It was even worse than that
They used to laugh and call him names. Now Falwell deserves that kind of treatment, but Rudolf didn't do anything to anyone.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:48 PM
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12. Joseph and Mary had a Christmas tree in the stable !
Only Godless Heathens don't believe that! ;-)
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:50 PM
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16. And, and it was SNOWING damn it! nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. And there were TWINKLE LIGHTS in the heavens!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #20
47. And everybody has light skin and blue eyes
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:49 PM
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14. So, would that include celebrating it on Dec 25th?
Didn't some biblical scholars conclude that Jesus was born some time in February?
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
30. I always thought it was harvest time, but one thing's for certain--
It was never, ever, ever December.
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Flirtus Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #14
61. September 3rd or 10th or so
has something to do with the actual bright blazing star or comet that would have appeared then.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:13 AM
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77. Probably more like April
Because of the shepherds with their flocks.

Of course, there WAS no census, so the Bethlehem angle isn't even true -- it was probably conceived (pun!) to fulfill the Messiah prophecy of the Old Testament.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:50 PM
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15. Bring it on. Please.
Sanctions will abound.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:51 PM
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17. I hope Santa counter-sues his jive-ass....
What an idiot! And that goes for his stupid flock too.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #17
31. .......not the little bappy's! Cuz they make more sense than Falwell.
and they make more sense when they talk.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:51 PM
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18. Does that include misinformation about Santa too? n/t
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:51 PM
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19. I started Christmas
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 08:54 PM by ck4829
I remember it just like it was yesterday... only it was 10 years ago.

Me and Wachowski were bowling.

So he says to me. "Yo 4829, you get a Strike and I'll talk to the City Council about getting a Holiday started so we can stop workin' and stuff. Whaddya say?"

I said "OK!"

You see back 10 years ago, I was in a different town, it had about 17 people in it. So, one person could have lots of influence. Oh yeah, back to my game.

I got a Strike.

We started a Holiday. We decided to name it after the oldest guy in town, Chris T. Mass, but 'Chris T. Mass' day' seemed kind of weird, so we just called it Christmas.

It started spreading to other towns and stuff and now here we are in the present.

To all the Anti-Christmas Liberals - I'm sorry, Christmas is my fault.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:52 PM
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21. Oh, fuck Falwell
Judging from that picture, I do hope he was able to squeeze that dump out. Talk about decades long constipation....
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:54 PM
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22. Those damned liberals and their nuisance lawsuits! Oh, wait....n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:56 PM
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24. Bingo. nt
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:56 PM
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25. Talk about your frivolous fucking lawsuits
Falwell vs Grinch
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:55 PM
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54. Isn't it more like...
Falwell (heareafter referenced as "the Grinch") vs. Reason (hereafter referenced as "Sanity")?
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:56 PM
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26. Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I (and my family)
intend to completely destroy the "true meaning of Christmas" this year... as we have done for the past many many years. How, you may ask?
1. Ritual animal sacrifice (okay, it's a turkey, and we didn't actually kill it ourselves, but we will be having a complete fry up on Christmas morning - sausage, bacon, blood pudding, eggs).
2. Drawing of human blood (well, again, we're just playing road hockey... people get hurt. Go hard or go home, is our motto).
3. Debauchery (eggnog and rum and spices! Nutmeg).
4. More sacrifices (we call it sledding; don't be picky).
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parhelion Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 08:58 PM
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27. Ironic, isn't it?
As some have alluded to, perhaps pagans should sue the Christian religion for appropriating their ancient Winter Solstice holiday and renaming it "Christmas". Is Falwell really that dense to not realize the irony here? Uhhh, nevermind...
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #27
106. That was my first thought as well.
THEY co-opted the winter celebration. Let's sue their asses!
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:00 PM
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28. Pull the tinsel out of Falwell's ass
and he'll light up like a Christmas tree.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. Festive! nt
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #28
51. Thanks for that imagery
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:02 PM
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29. Yup, gotta get after the ACLU-- Can't have those civil liberties!
Geesh! What are we here, turning into a DEMOCRACY? Don't SCARE me like that, My Dear Lord Jerry.

:sarcasm:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:05 PM
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32. I read the article and actually (gasp!) agree with him
But I doubt he would like my take on it. I agree that a Christmas tree should not be called a holiday tree. I also don't think Christmas carols should be re-written to make them inclusive and politically correct. Christmas is a Christian holiday. It should not be bastardized and sanitized to make it acceptable to all faiths. There should BE no Christmas trees in public schools and there should be no Christmas carols unless they are part of a program of music from various cultures. No Santas, no stars. There are plenty of winter icons like snow flakes and gingerbread houses.

There would be no talk of stealing Christmas if Christians just celebrated this religious festival in their homes and churches and not in schools, stores, radio stations, etc. The Christmas we have today in our culture is empty, meaningless, and created for profit.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. 24 hours of nothing BUT Christmas Carols
starting on Thanksgiving Day. As I was making my Thanksgiving turkey yesterday, I had to keep reminding myself that it was NOVEMBER and not December 25th. AND time to change the radio station. If not, by December 10th I will be throwing that radio against the wall.

Bah, Humbug!!!!!!!!

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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Yes, 600 versions of "Santa Baby"
is enough to turn anyone away from Christmas.
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Streetdoc270 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #40
105. Your Lucky......
They started here 2 weeks before Thanksgiving.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #32
65. I call it a Yule tree, goes with the log after all...
So are ya gonna sue me?
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #65
81. nah
I don't agree quite that much...
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:12 PM
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34. everything about christmas was stolen from earlier religions except
the name christ (I think it is original, not sure), which refers to the myth of the dead jesus come to life.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:15 PM
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36. Everything about CHRISTIANITY was stolen.
No religion is original, really, when you boil it down to the basics.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #36
53. I thought only lefties were litigious you fat oinker... You've done more
harm to Jesus than anyone in the free world next to Roberts. Go pass your plate and stop with your bellicose frivolities you slob!
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #36
80. Indeed
religions evolve
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:51 AM
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73. Krst, Krist, Kristo, Khyst, Krish-na
The word 'Krist' had its origin in ancient Egypt and was the name of the early god Horus. He was the Egyptian god of Light, (ring any bells?) and was called Krist or Krst. His mother was the goddess Isis, who conceived him as a virgin.

The word Christ and all its derivations mean anointed one, and they have appeared in every ancient religious system. The original 'Kristo' concept was believed to be the personal and invisible mediator and guide between God and everything spiritual in man.

Personally I'm a pagan and love the "Yule" celebration and go all out. I'd really like to add the bonfire ritual but I'm afraid the neighbors would call the police.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #73
78. We alway us do have the bonfire
I love Yule.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
102. I think that was plagiarized, too. n/t
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:14 PM
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35. Thanks asshole. Now I have to call my little grandchildren and
tell them there is no Santa Claus. I sure don't want to get sued for spreading misinformation. Prick!

I hope one of your parishoners estates sues your sorry ass for all that bullshit you spread about a fucking afterlife and you have to prove to a fucking jury that the deceased is in heaven or hell, you shithead.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:17 PM
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37. So much for being against frivolous lawsuits.
Jerry, your hypocritical ass is flapping in the breeze again...

:rofl:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:18 PM
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39. This from a man who cheated his flock. He sold his ministry to
Moon. Why should we listen to him?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:30 PM
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42. I wasn't aware that lard ball owned Christmas.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:31 PM
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43. Gosh, Jerry. . .and just what is a "traditional" Christmas event?
You mean, like the programs we usually have reserved for the CHURCH?

Well now. . .perhaps you expect communities to engage in witch trials or burnings to satisfy your imposition of religion. Sue away. . .apparently the Liberty Counsel hasn't read the Constitution or the various state constitutions about the imposition of "religious" beliefs. By the way, your "traditional" holiday is a pagan one, since most evidence points that the birthday you want to celebrate was months ago.

Moreover, as long as religious cults like yours insist that schools cannot celebrate Halloween, you have no right to demand they celebrate a holiday in a religious manner in which they aren't even attending class. This nation, and the people, are not beholden to your religious beliefs, and your name doesn't appear in the Bible as the prophet for the masses.

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #43
63. Oh - they've read it alright - and they want to CHANGE it!
They hate us for our freedoms - literally!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
85. Halloween Vs. Christmas
So it has come to this. I think Foulwell should take his mask off and reveal himself as a Sactimonious Nincompoop.

Actually, he need not remove the mask. Most people already get it.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:40 PM
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46. You mean, "Santa Claus Day"? n/t
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:45 PM
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48. Those damned frivolous lawsuits again!
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:46 PM
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49. Christmas was started by a bunch of drunken germans
celebrating all the free candy they got from some mysterious guy in a red suit.



Go on bitch sue away I'll run a train over your worthless ass the way Flint did.
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Norwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:46 PM
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50. WWJS?
Who would jesus sue?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:48 PM
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52. Collections are WAY down, huh Jer?
Now it's gonna be about the Christmas Defense Fund?

Just dawned on my why they call themselves fundamentalist$
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:55 PM
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55. i guess i`d better not say anything about this---
jesus wasn`t born in bethlehem in judea! nope he was born in bethlehem in galilee. yup, right name wrong place. in fact the judean site wasn`t inhabited during that period.. i guess i`ll be on his list.
http://www.archaeology.org/0511/abstracts/jesus.html
Where was Jesus Born?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:56 PM
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56. Oh. Oh. My friends like to eat lobster and lasagna for Christmas...will
they be sued?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:45 PM
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64. Ramano's Macaroni Grille has lobster lasagna now for this month!
I just finished my take-home portion - it's REALLY REALLY good!

It's a small chain of italian restaurants here in vegas and a few other places.
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BloodyWilliam Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:03 PM
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59. Slander (I assume- "spreading misinformation") would be totally useless
He has no way of proving standing in such a case. You cannot bring about a civil suit on someone's behalf. You must prove that you actually are being harmed by other parties, or that the parties are affecting you in some way.

Oh, and he's a cockbite.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:07 PM
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60. Bring it on, you constipated colostomy bag!
You don't even know the real meaning of Christmas! It's not meant to buy cheap made-in-China crap.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:35 PM
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62. My god's better than your god, my god's better than yours.
My god's better cause my god eats....
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:39 PM
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82. people?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:55 PM
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66. like, that SANTA EXISTS?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:48 AM
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67. What a whackjob
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 04:50 AM by BuffyTheFundieSlayer
From the article: ""Calling a Christmas tree a holiday tree isn't being inclusive," Staver said. "It's disenfranchising people of faith.


Hello! Christmas trees where stolen by Christians from the pagans--they aren't even genuine symbols of the Christian Christmas. :wtf: do you care what people call them?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 07:28 AM
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68. Good luck with that Jerry.
What an ass. :eyes:
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:03 AM
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69. COME GET ME JERRY (Christmas INFO Inside)
The history of Christmas dates back over 4000 years. Many of our Christmas traditions were celebrated centuries before the Christ child was born. The 12 days of Christmas, the bright fires, the yule log, the giving of gifts, carnivals(parades) with floats, carolers who sing while going from house to house, the holiday feasts, and the church processions can all be traced back to the early Mesopotamians.

Many of these traditions began with the Mesopotamian celebration of New Years. The Mesopotamians believed in many gods, and as their chief god - Marduk. Each year as winter arrived it was believed that Marduk would do battle with the monsters of chaos. To assist Marduk in his struggle the Mesopotamians held a festival for the New Year. This was Zagmuk, the New Year's festival that lasted for 12 days.

The Mesopotamian king would return to the temple of Marduk and swear his faithfulness to the god. The traditions called for the king to die at the end of the year and to return with Marduk to battle at his side.

To spare their king, the Mesopotamians used the idea of a "mock" king. A criminal was chosen and dressed in royal clothes. He was given all the respect and privileges of a real king. At the end of the celebration the "mock" king was stripped of the royal clothes and slain, sparing the life of the real king.

The Persians and the Babylonians celebrated a similar festival called the Sacaea. Part of that celebration included the exchanging of places, the slaves would become the masters and the masters were to obey.

Early Europeans believed in evil spirits, witches, ghosts and trolls. As the Winter Solstice approached, with its long cold nights and short days, many people feared the sun would not return. Special rituals and celebrations were held to welcome back the sun.

In Scandinavia during the winter months the sun would disappear for many days. After thirty-five days scouts would be sent to the mountain tops to look for the return of the sun. When the first light was seen the scouts would return with the good news. A great festival would be held, called the Yuletide, and a special feast would be served around a fire burning with the Yule log. Great bonfires would also be lit to celebrate the return of the sun. In some areas people would tie apples to branches of trees to remind themselves that spring and summer would return.

The ancient Greeks held a festival similar to that of the Zagmuk/Sacaea festivals to assist their god Kronos who would battle the god Zeus and his Titans.

The Roman's celebrated their god Saturn. Their festival was called Saturnalia which began the middle of December and ended January 1st. With cries of "Jo Saturnalia!" the celebration would include masquerades in the streets, big festive meals, visiting friends, and the exchange of good-luck gifts called Strenae (lucky fruits).

The Romans decked their halls with garlands of laurel and green trees lit with candles. Again the masters and slaves would exchange places.

"Jo Saturnalia!" was a fun and festive time for the Romans, but the Christians though it an abomination to honor the pagan god. The early Christians wanted to keep the birthday of their Christ child a solemn and religious holiday, not one of cheer and merriment as was the pagan Saturnalia.

But as Christianity spread they were alarmed by the continuing celebration of pagan customs and Saturnalia among their converts. At first the Church forbid this kind of celebration. But it was to no avail. Eventually it was decided that the celebration would be tamed and made into a celebration fit for the Christian Son of God.

Some legends claim that the Christian "Christmas" celebration was invented to compete against the pagan celebrations of December. The 25th was not only sacred to the Romans but also the Persians whose religion Mithraism was one of Christianity's main rivals at that time. The Church eventually was successful in taking the merriment, lights, and gifts from the Saturanilia festival and bringing them to the celebration of Christmas.

The exact day of the Christ child's birth has never been pinpointed. Traditions say that it has been celebrated since the year 98 AD. In 137 AD the Bishop of Rome ordered the birthday of the Christ Child celebrated as a solemn feast. In 350 AD another Bishop of Rome, Julius I, choose December 25th as the observance of Christmas.

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liberalpress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:53 AM
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74. In addition...
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 08:54 AM by liberalpress
...if you read about the little we know of Christ's life in the Bible, Christ's intent was that we worship God, not him. His life and sacrifice was meant as a way to illustrate to us how we should live (serving others, not ourselves, loving even our enemies, etc.)

I'm sorry for the interruption. We now return to our regularly scheduled left-wing, commie, pink-o conspiracy to steal Christmas from Protestant white people.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:40 AM
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70. Hey Jerry! Are you gonna sue Boston?
Boston "holiday tree" stirs controversy
Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:53 PM ET

By Jason Szep

BOSTON (Reuters) - Boston set off a furor this week when it
officially renamed a giant tree erected in a city park a "holiday
tree" instead of a "Christmas tree."

The move drew an angry response from Christian conservatives,
including evangelist Jerry Falwell who heckled Boston officials and
pressed the city to change the name back.

"There's been a concerted effort to steal Christmas," Falwell told
Fox Television.
<snip>

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2005-11-25T225326Z_01_KRA582362_RTRUKOC_0_US-LIFE-TREE.xml

Here's a holiday tree. Will Falwell make good on his threats
or is he just trying to prod his followers to donate money?

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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:42 AM
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71. So, do you think Falwell v. Robertson will make it to the Supreme Court?
Falwell v. Phelps?

Falwell v. OReiley?

Falwell v. Falwell?

They are all spreading tons of misinformation and lies about not only Christmas, but the entire Christian religion in general!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:43 AM
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72. But... but... I thought republicans were AGAINST lawsuits!
My God... he may have to hire... "trial lawyers"!!!!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:12 AM
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79. But isn't Xmas just a "theory"
Maybe we could teach an alternative as well.....
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 04:51 PM
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84. Traditional Chrsitmas Events....
Let's see, I am sure we could have all kinds of fun looking up obscure rituals....I'll start with using REAL candles on our trees. That seems traditional to me.

Much prettier, and much more flammable :shrug:
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:33 PM
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94. I actually use candles
I found the holders in German/Scandinavian gift stores. We usually have a live tree and light the candles only once, on the evening of the 24th (with a bucket of water nearby). It is truly a magical sight- electric lights are a pale imitation. The whole thing appeals to my ancient Germanic roots (...trees with candles in the middle of a winter's night...).
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 01:12 PM
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110. It is a magical thing to see
I spent a couple years in a loosely-Christian-based intentional community (aka commune) and we used real candles too. So sitting around the tree was much more of a conscious activity. They also celebrated Candlemas, which I thought was the most beeeeaaauuuutiful thing ever.
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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:02 PM
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87. Um... can I sue him and the other fundies for the misinformation they
give about Pagan religions?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 05:03 PM
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88. This is nothing new
his liberty counsel has always been involved in what they see as infringements on religious freedom, including schools or other government organizations that prohibit display of christian christmas symbols while allowing other cultural displays. i don't see what's new here. and the first paragraph seems misleading. what evidence is there that he's suing anything other than government agencies?

falwell's a dick, but he may as well be countered with facts instead of distortions.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:00 PM
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90. I'm suing anyone that blasphemes FESTIVUS!
Even though Jerry isn't a friend or family member (yikes), he's on my list for the "airing of grievances".
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:03 PM
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91. Who would Jesus sue?
Falwell is so full of shit... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:04 PM
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92. I'm so scared!!!
So if I tell the truth about Christmas will he stil sue me? *snort* I'd like to see how far he gets with this threat!
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 08:24 PM
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93. Jerry Falwell and his fundie friends are a reason why the holidays suck
All I want for Christmas this year is for this fat tub of lard to shut the hell up. Every single year it's the same shit with these assholes like him and Robertson with their "let's demonize people who we think are ruining Christmas campaigns". You know what, the only people who are ruining the christmas holiday are them, no one else. I hope he does try to sue someone, because I can't wait to see the AU and the ACLU countersue his pants off. Jerk...
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:04 PM
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95. For once I agree with Jerry!
Christmas wasn't even an official federal holiday until 1870! Let's turn back the clock to what the Founding Father's really intended: no day off for Christmas! Yeah, Jerry, sue the fricken' government's ass for shunning tradition and declaring it a secular federal holiday.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:05 PM
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96. So, the crackpot is looking for the jackpot, huh?
Damn, he pisses me off.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:07 PM
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97. IIrc, December 25th is not actually Jesus' birthday.
So I suppose Falwell will sue anybody who spreads that misinformation.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:11 PM
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98. Whatever - most people ignore these morons
...and so will I...
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:40 AM
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99. Come to Egypt, Jerry!
I've been in Alexandria, Egypt since mid-October.

On Thanksgiving Day, Thursday, I went out for a fun day of exploring the ancient Greek and Roman tombs in the city, at El-Shogafa and Anfushi. (And BTW, they did exactly what we did with Xmas. The tombs are a riot of mix-and-match religion. Ancient Egyptian religious symbols are painted on the walls right beside pictures of Greek and Roman gods. At El-Shogafa, the Egyptian gods Anubis and Sobek are even shown wearing the uniforms of Roman soldiers!)

Anyhow, when I got back to the hotel, it looked like a Xmas shop had exploded inside. Tinsel. Mistletoe. Blazing red-and-silver stars in the windows. More tinsel. Holly. A fat, jolly stuffed Santa sitting in the lobby, along with an 8-foot, fully decorated Xmas tree.

And the sound system is now playing Xmas music 24/7.

All of this gets a lot of bemused stares from the hundreds of Muslims passing thru the lobby each day.

Not to mention the employees. One of the Muslim women who works here was chatting with me about the Decoration Overload.

She pointed to the Xmas tree and said: "Didn't that come from the pagans?"

:rofl:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:48 AM
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100. Fuck off Jerry. Sue me, I dare you!!!
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:02 PM
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103. I was quite stunned to discover recently that
Jesus's Birthday isn't December 25 but Chuck Norris once sent him a birthday card for that day, Jesus was too scared to tell Chuck the truth. Thats why we celebrate Christmas.

http://www.4q.cc/chuck/index.php?topthirty
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:05 PM
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104. HAPPY HOLIDAYS, fucker!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 01:05 PM
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108. Christmas really has its basis in an African holiday.
It celebrates the time Christ spent in a small African village shooting pool and smoking Cuban cigars.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 01:10 PM
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109. Christmas was started by Hitler, it's only been around for 60 years.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 02:44 PM
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111. Hark! The herald anus sings!
n/t, just a kick...
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 02:47 PM
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112. Frickin' jerk
Foulsmell can go fuck himself.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 02:49 PM
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114. These Idiots Know, I Hope, That Even For Christians. . .
. . .there are two holidays within 8 days! Christmas and New Year's day are both legal holidays, 8 days apart, so the term "Happy Holiday's" isn't necessarily any effort to change the meaning of Christmas. It's just expressing that most people celebrate both holidays.

Idiots!
The Professor
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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 02:53 PM
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115. Christmas is pagan in origin
Why won't these "religious" nuts read thier own history!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 02:55 PM
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116. Let's sue the Falwellians for misappropriating a Pagan holiday..
Does Fat Bastard KNOW that the origin of the Dec. 25 holiday was to celebrate Sol Invictus? Until Constantine consolidated the two celebrations (a bureaucratic coup), Jesus' birthday was ALWAYS celebrated on Jan. 6! Goddamned idiots....
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 02:55 PM
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117. He says right here that it is pagan, I am suing you!!
"Mathew Staver, Liberty Counsel's president and general counsel said the move was to counter the banning of singing Christmas carols and stripping the Yule season of its roots."
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