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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:49 PM
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Anyone collecting all the various Dem withdrawal plans?
The media needs to see them all in one place.

The media is still spewing the GOP lie that Dems have no plans and are mischaracterizing Murtha's plan as cut and run or leave immediately.

If we can collect all the Dem plans in a chronological order and add some of the basic details of the plan we can have a factsheet to email the mediawhores every time they repeat their lies.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:17 PM
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1. The Murtha Plan on Iraq
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:19 PM
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2. how about here:
  • News Sources that are Relevant to the Iraq War

    scroll down until you get to: Possible scenarios for the end of the Iraqi war

    this is what I have gathered so far, I need to update it, it's been at least 6 hours since last batch of news was gathered

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    Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:19 PM
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    3. Kerry Plan: 20,000 Troops Home over the Holidays
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    blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 10:21 AM
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    15. Actually, that's a small fraction of his plan used for a petition action.
    .
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    globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 10:49 PM
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    19. Here's the Kerry Plan from 11/10
    Kerry Introduces Strategy for Success in Iraq Act in United States Senate

    http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=248663
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    blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:06 AM
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    20. Details of Kerry withdrawal plan from Oct, submitted as Senate bill Nov.10
    RESULTS
    11/10/2005
    Kerry Introduces Strategy for Success in Iraq Act in United States Senate

    Plan Would Bring Home 20,000 Troops After Iraq Elections, Demands Benchmarks for Success

    Washington, D.C. -- This afternoon, Senator John Kerry introduced in the Senate his plan to succeed in Iraq and bring the vast majority of our combat troops home in a reasonable timeframe tied to specific, responsible benchmarks to transfer responsibility to Iraqis – beginning with the draw down of 20,000 U.S. troops after successful Iraqi elections in December. These additional troops are in Iraq only for the purpose of providing security for the upcoming elections. If they remain in Iraq after that benchmark is achieved, it only exacerbates the sense of American occupation.

    "We are entering a make-or-break six month period in Iraq. We need to be taking action now if we are ever going to bring our troops home within a reasonable timeframe from an Iraq that's not permanently torn by irrepressible conflict," Kerry said. “We cannot pull out precipitously or merely promise to stay ‘as long as it takes. There is a way forward that gives us the best chance both to salvage a difficult situation in Iraq, and to save American and Iraqi lives.”

    Kerry's legislation, the Strategy for Success in Iraq Act, lays out a comprehensive new strategy to complete the mission in Iraq and bring our troops home. Its goal is to undermine the insurgency by simultaneously pursing both a political settlement and the draw down of American forces linked to specific, responsible benchmarks. If followed, the process will be completed in 12-15 months.

    Kerry’s plan calls for:

    • The U.S. to begin a phased draw down of American troops as a series of military and political benchmarks is met, starting with a reduction of 20,000 troops over the holidays as the first benchmark –the successful completion of the December elections – is met.

    • The U.S. to immediately make clear that we do not want permanent military bases in Iraq, or a large combat force on Iraqi soil indefinitely.

    • The Administration to immediately give Congress and the American people a detailed plan for the transfer of military and police responsibilities on a sector by sector basis to Iraqis so the majority of our combat forces can be withdrawn -- ideally by the end of next year.

    • The Bush administration to prod the new Iraqi government to ask for a multinational force to help protect Iraq’s borders until a capable national army is formed. Such a force, if sanctioned by the United Nations, could attract participation by Iraq's neighbors and countries like India and would be a critical step in stemming the tide of insurgents and money into Iraq, especially from Syria.

    • The Pentagon to alter the deployment of American troops, keeping Special Operations forces pursuing specific intelligence leads and putting the vast majority of U.S. troops in rear guard, garrisoned status for security backup. We do not need to send young Americans on search and destroy missions that invite alienation and deepen the risks they face.

    • The President to put the training of Iraqi security forces on a six month wartime footing and ensure that the Iraqi government has the budget to deploy them.

    • The Bush administration to accept long standing offers by Egypt, Jordan, France and Germany to do more training.

    • The administration to immediately call a conference of Iraq’s neighbors, Britain, Turkey and other key NATO allies, and Russia to implement a strategy to bring the parties in Iraq to a sustainable political compromise that includes mutual security guarantees among Iraqis.

    • Iraq’s Sunni neighbors to set up a reconstruction fund specifically for the majority Sunni areas to show them the benefits of participating in the political process. • The President to appoint a special envoy to bolster America’s diplomatic efforts.

    • The U.S. to commit to a new regional security structure that includes improved security assistance programs and joint exercises.

    • The U.S. to jumpstart our lagging reconstruction efforts by providing the necessary civilian personnel to do the job, standing up civil-military reconstruction teams throughout the country, streamlining the disbursement of funds to the provinces, expanding job creation programs for Iraqis, and strengthening the capacity of government ministries.

    “We must send this critical signal to the Iraqi people - that we do not desire permanent occupation - and that Iraqis themselves must fight for Iraq. History shows that guns alone do not end an insurgency,” Kerry added.

    Senior American commanders and officials have said the large U.S. military presence in Iraq feeds the insurgency. General George Casey, the top American military commander in Iraq, recently told Congress that our large military presence “feeds the notion of occupation” and “extends the amount of time that it will take for Iraqi security forces to become self-reliant.” Richard Nixon’s Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird, breaking a thirty year silence, recently wrote, ''Our presence is what feeds the insurgency, and our gradual withdrawal would feed the confidence and the ability of average Iraqis to stand up to the insurgency."

    # # #

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    tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:19 PM
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    4. GOPers have small minds.......
    ...apparently their small, little minds can only grasp the concept of cut & run or stay the course.
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    Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:26 PM
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    6. The Wes Clark Plan for Iraq Pullout
    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2003/11/07/clark_plan_for_iraq_replaces_us_led_military_civil_forces/

    this was over a year ago, I am sure he has tweaked his ideas since then, as all great leaders would do. Only idiots think "stay the course" is a policy.
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    Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 01:44 PM
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    27. A tweaking of it as an Op-Ed in the WaPo in August:
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    blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 10:22 AM
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    16. Yes, and the media favors the talking points from the GOPs small minds.
    Because it fits in with the BIGGER PLAN and fascist agenda.
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    Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:23 PM
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    5. Biden Plan for Iraq pullout
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    emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:29 PM
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    7. kick and nominating - Collect them all . . . . . n/t
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    MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:47 PM
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    10. Me, too!
    :kick:
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    Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:33 PM
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    8. Updated Wes Clark plan for success in Iraq
    A Real Plan for Success in Iraq
    By Gen. (ret.) Wesley Clark
    Washington Post Op-ed
    Unabridged Version
    from August 26, 2005

    http://www.securingamerica.com/?q=issues/iraqplan

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    Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:39 PM
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    9. John Edwards: The Right Way in Iraq: Sunday, November 13, 2005
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    Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 08:38 AM
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    13. K&R...love your animation Caoimhe
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    sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:49 PM
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    11. Kucinich: Homeward Bound
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    sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:53 PM
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    12. Lynn Woolsey: Troop Withdrawal
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    blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 10:19 AM
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    14. Calling DerBleuAngel....this is a perfect job for you.
    ;)))))
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    mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 01:40 PM
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    17. The Center For American Progress plan here:
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    mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 01:42 PM
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    18. Dems in the Senate/Congress have to examine the ideas/plans
    Edited on Thu Nov-24-05 01:42 PM by mzmolly
    and come to an agreement - than they need to promote it. I don't care if they have conference calls or ? but they need to hash this out and set a deadline for doing so.
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    mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:07 AM
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    21. Which ones are real?
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    blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:43 AM
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    22. The submitted plans so far legislatively are Kerry, McGovern, Murtha's.
    At least in terms of details and formal submission.

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    mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 10:50 PM
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    24. Thanks.
    I'll have to examine them. Are they inclusive of permanent bases or real withdrawal?
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    blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:40 PM
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    25. Those three are all against permanent bases. Kerry spoke against permanent
    bases in every campaign speech and from the day Bush started building them after the initial invasion.

    No good comes from permanent bases, and certainly no good MESSAGE to the Iraqi people can be transmitted from permanent bases. They scream OCCUPIER!
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    emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:12 PM
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    23. kick n/t
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    emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 01:42 PM
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    26. kicking again n/t
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