A heterosexuals observations on the "gay lifestyle"

[Bluzmann57]

A little background first. A gay couple moved in a couple of house down from here last spring. The one guy has a 1968 Mustang Fastback which I covet. He was over at his house fawning over it, which is how I met him. Guys and cars, it's sort of genetic I guess. Anyway, we have become friends in the last few months. The other day he told me about a local gay bar which was having a euchre tournament which included free food as well as cheap beer. Now those are four of the greatest words in the American version of the English language as far as I'm concerned so I said I'd be there.
What they were doing down there was shocking I tell ya. They were playing euchre, eating chili, drinking beer, and watching football. Not once did I get propositioned. And the card games were stimulating, if not overly profitable. So anyway, I guess the point of this rambling is that as a devout heterosexual , I don't understand all the furor over the alleged "gay lifestyle". If it means eating, drinking, playing cards, watching football, and fast cars, then I'm all for it. I guess it proves rednecks are scared. Just an observation from a drunk heterosexual fella.

[FreedomAngel82]

1. Exactly

And some of them have this whole idea that they'll "teach" their kids to be gay and they don't want their kids to be taught being gay is okay (*cough*homphobes*cough*) and things like that. In a sense it's the new black. Sad. I'm a Christian and I personally could care less what someone does in the privacy of their own home and I think we should all be equal in society with the law. I don't live in a religious theocracy and I don't want to.

[ronnykmarshall]

2. Ahhhh the old "chili and beer" move.

buuuuwwwhhhhaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

It's classics that still make us march to our goal of ruling the world!

[Bluzmann57]

12. Enough chili and beer and people may just give in

Just let loose in public, if you know what I mean, and people may surrender to you. But be careful, you never know what letting loose may lead to.

[Saphire]

81. exactly, page 6 of the agenda. n/t

[karlrschneider]

3. I'm fine with the beer, chili & football but I never could get the hang of

euchre. I guess I don't fit in very well on either side of this issue.
:evilgrin:

[mr_hat]

7. Right bower. Left bower. Never send a boy to do a man's job.

What's not to get?

[karlrschneider]

14. Maybe my problem was I always thought of Gary "Bauer"

:D

[grace0418]

50. Well I'm a girl and I LOVE euchre. LOVE IT.

It's so hard to find people who will play.

[femrap]

55. Me too!

Love a good game of euchre....and beer too!

Anyone in Ohio want to get a euchre club going? Gay, straight, old, young, black, brown, white, red, yellow, green, pink, short, tall, thin, fat.....I don't care. What's inside the heart and mind....that's what counts!

[KamaAina]

77. Euchre is the new poker

well, it could be, anyway. Goodness knows this poker thing has had its fifteen minutes and then some.

[Jersey Ginny]

4. Sounds like a good bar

The only gay bars I've been to are dancing bars. Too smoky and I'm too old to care to go. I'd like that one! Good for you for going and learning.

[chosen_one]

5. thank you for that

and by the way, for those who think gay couple will 'teach' kids to be gay, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you.

I am the first son of a very straight catholic Italian couple, my parents are still very happily married, they brought me up very normally, I have 3 straight brothers and I am the gayest man on Earth.

[bigwillq]

8. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

10. Welcome to DU

oh gay one :evilgrin:

:hi:

[ronnykmarshall]

28. Nice to see you ....

oh fine and sexy one!!! :evilgrin:

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

36. Ronny!

what a pleasure, how are things?

[ronnykmarshall]

44. Fab, baby fab!

I've had the work from hell these last few weeks so I'm not on line as much.

Got the ol' turkey day coming up and hopefully a week off so I can chill out before the holidays.

Maybe I can hang out at Scwabs Drug Store and get discovered like Lana Turner.

Ya know how us Hollywood types are.

xoxoxox

[ronnykmarshall]

23. You go girl!

Child, I am the second son of a high school foot ball hero and a cheerleader and look how my brother and I turned out!

[VPStoltz]

30. Is one of you in blackface?

[ronnykmarshall]

45. That's me.

I was Geraldine Jones. I was in the 4th grade and my brother was in the 6th. It wasn't Halloween or anything, just a regular day at school. My mom encouraged my inner black woman.

[ruggerson]

48. Are you the tanner one? n/t

[IndyOp]

37. How much do you want for the bridge?

I have a homophobic office-mate who may be interested.

As for me - I am comfortable with my understanding that 'gayness' starts in utero as hormones organize the brain's 'sex centers' (for want of a better term). Which gets me to thinking, with all of the respect that the fundies demand for the unborn, shouldn't they be respecting homosexuality as a trait that appears in early fetal development?

Welcome to DU Chosen_One !

:hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

56. Yep

I get so tired of the "teaching" kids to be gay. I always laugh hysterically when someone says that. Oy!

[TahitiNut]

57. "gayest man on Earth"??

I didn't know there was a competition. :dunce: Maybe we could get it televised? :evilgrin: I'm tired of hearing "world peace" from some airhead in a bathing suit. :silly:

[ninkasi]

74. Welcome to DU!

It's good to have a new member. I hope you'll enjoy it here, it's a great place.
:thumbsup: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[KamaAina]

79. Gayest man on Earth, huh? We'll see about that!

Oh, c'mon, you didn't think I was gonna come out with a line like that, didja? Get your minds out of the gutter, people!

K-A
"straight but not narrow"

[davidinalameda]

88. welcome

and I'm the gayest man on Earth

so there

*SNAP*

[Botany]

6. I have had lesbian & gay neighbors for years .....

I never get what the problem could be? And I love women too.
Go figure they are nice and I like them.

The great gay threat must mean that some born agains have
a gay past or gay feelings.

[grace0418]

51. I think it's more that ignorant, brainwashed people who live

their lives like lemmings just don't know how to handle people who know who they are and don't care what other people think. From what my gay friends tell me, the process of coming out forces you to face yourself and learn to accept who you are. Then you have to decide to be yourself to the rest of the world. That just freaks the lemmings out, they wouldn't know what to do if their pastors and peer groups weren't giving explicit instructions, and they don't trust anyone who doesn't live like that. Dumbasses.

[bigwillq]

9. The finer things in life!

Beer, chili, football and a room full of guys! :hi:
Next time you go to that bar, TAKE ME!


I'm glad you enjoyed your "experience"!

[TomClash]

11. In my neighborhood everyone is "gay"

and everyone is "straight."

And that's the way it should be.

[arewenotdemo]

49. Whoa! Not referring to the "Spectrum Hypothesis", are you?

Please elaborate.

[TomClash]

67. No

I mean being gay is so accepted any negative connotations become meaningless.

[HereSince1628]

13. Fear is a powerful cognative motivation for social conservatism.

Things that reduce misplaced fear will also reduce misplaced social conservatism.

Keep up the good work.

[Hubris Heaver]

15. Oh come on..

everyone knows that Mustangs, beer, chili and football are gateways ( gay-t-ways?) to a sodomist lifestyle. Repent ye sinner!

[AussieDave]

18. Welcome to DU !!!

and also welcome to the Homosexual Conspiracy.......:evilgrin:

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Shhhhhhh!

Don't be giving out the "Mustang" connection.

Everyone knows we created the Mustang as part of "The Plan".

Now hush!

[AussieDave]

16. Sounds like a damn fine place to go

all the right stuff there - but it wouldn't matter whether it was a gay bar or not.

And kudos to you for being open-minded and unprejudiced. I often wonder why the bubbas are so afraid of gay men - you'd think some of them would be flattered to be attractive to BOTH sexes.......

[Carolab]

17. You mean gay people are just people, like everyone else?

Oh, go on.

[StellaBlue]

19. It makes me wonder - Am I living the 'heterosexual lifestyle' correctly?

What the hell is a 'gay lifestyle'? As far as I can tell, all the gay people I know are just living a human lifestyle.

:shrug:

[redwitch]

22. To live the gay lifestyle ya gotta have an agenda

I am not gay but I DO have an agenda. It's very important to me, without my agenda I don't know where I'm supposed to be, or what time I'm supposed to be there. I figure gay agendas are pretty much the same deal. Perhaps gay agendas tell them where and when the euchre games are?

[ronnykmarshall]

27. If you have to question it,

then you must not be doing it right.

Stella, Stella, Stella!!! STELLA!!!!!!

[StellaBlue]

31. bwhahahahahahahaha

BWHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

46. You rock, Miss Stella!!!

[UDenver20]

20. Thanks man... you are...

as a straight guy, the single biggest advocate we have.

Thanks for speaking up.

[kevinbgoode]

21. My only question is. . ..

Did he let you drive the Mustang?

[Bluzmann57]

34. Yeah

Finally. And we laid rubber and did all the stuff one is supposed to do in a '68 Mustang fastback. Well almost everything.

[darkmaestro019]

24. I'm often rather amused by our wild insane "lifestyle" myself

Oh, the dangerous dish-washing, dinner-making, laundry, book-reading, and occasional errand-running. Sometimes we even hit a thrift store, a flea market, and possibly a movie once in a blue moon. Our cats have a wilder lifestyle than we do--I can't remember the last time I did anything that left me covered in dust bunnies and foaming at the mouth ; )

EDIT: I cannot brain today. I have the dumb.

[kliljedahl]

26. Euchre players

are not playing with a full deck.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Once in a weak moment, I asked a gay friend if she ever

considered putting the moves on me or any of her other heterosexual friends.

She was so grossed out. I will never forget it. She said she considered hooking up with a nongay woman as revolting as having sex with her own mother or her sister.

[arewenotdemo]

54. OK. I think I've heard that before.

But am embarrassed to say that I don't understand it at all. And I thought that maybe she just doesn't want to appear "threatening".

Somebody help a moran out. We're not talking pheromones are we?

I figure you got your "masculine" lesbian (over here, say), and you got your lipstick lesbian there.

So the "masculine" lesbian isn't gonna be attracted to the same hotties straight guys are?

[Lex]

58. Women and men are drawn to different things . . . because

men are men and women are women, even if some of those men are gay and some of those women are lesbian.

So, because of that, I don't think that lesbians are necessarily attracted to the same kind of women that straight men find hot.

Just my humble opinion.

[RumpusCat]

71. I've often wondered about the pheromones thing

Have there ever been studies? Hmm.

Anyway, some lesbians do go for "straight-looking" girls, but almost every lesbian with some experience under her belt knows that crushing on actually straight women is a surefire path to heartbreak and drama. It does still happen, sometimes.

-This- masculine dyke is only attracted to other butch grrls, but I'm an unusual case. :7

[arewenotdemo]

91. I thought lesbians CRAVED drama...

I had considered that it might be a case of knowing who's "eligible" as opposed to no attraction...

Now your particular case has always thrown this simple-minded country boy for a loop.

But I'm sure boats are getting floated.

:)

[Rowdyboy]

32. Damn, I miss playing Euchre! Sounds like a great day...glad you went...

Guys are guys are guys. Only real difference between gay and straight guys is that once in a while we carry the relationship one or two steps farther. Good friends are usually just that-good friends.

[AwakeAtLast]

33. Good post - and here is what I don't get

When I mention in conversation that I have friends who are gay, invariably someone will ask me, "What are they like?" :eyes:

I am always tempted to be sarcastic, but of course I just say, "They are wonderful friends and I wouldn't trade them for the world!" I figure they will never be open-minded enough to accept people who are different, so I don't waste my breath on saying more.

And they are still shocked by THAT answer!!! :shrug:

[bleedingheart]

35. well when you start to dress better and you apply feng shui to your home

decor.....don't tell us we didn't warn you...

:silly:

[northzax]

38. maybe you're not cute enough?

could that be the problem? perhaps instead of drinking all that beer and eating all that chili you should be spending a bit more time at the gym? just cause you think you're hot, doesn't mean you really are, you know?

I almost never get hit on by men, but then I never get hit on by women either (which would be my preference).

my theory on people who fear the 'homosexual lifestyle' are those who think women have ruined their lives. They feel tied down to someone, and bored with their lives, and think that without a wife or kids, everything would be wild exciting parties, and fabulous hot tub adventures. But, of course, it isn't. well, except for my life, but yours wouldn't be.

[iconoclastNYC]

85. You hit the nail on the head.

I think a great deal of it is jealousy of gays who have so much more freedom and 99% less pressure to settle down and raise a family.

[AuntPatsy]

39. What a great human being you are....you obviously have no

problem with your masculinity, a plus in my book....

I honestly believe that any male who fears homosexuality fears something deeper than another person's sexual orientation...

[Catherine Vincent]

40. There could have been someone from afar checking you out.

You just didn't know it. ;-) :D

[BiggJawn]

41. Boy, sure beats the hell of that Hetero Lifestyle!

Them cheap-asses CHARGE for the food!

[ronnykmarshall]

47. That's why we are winning.

We don't charge for food. That's how we turn people. Fab Food For Free. Or the Fx4.

All part of The Plan, my dear all part of The Plan.


Buuuuuwhhhhaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

[BiggJawn]

68. But, if I "turn" myself, do *I* get the toaster?

We don't have a gay bar here.
:D

[No Exit]

42. I have visited a certain "dive" in this red town in this red state.

Almost all of the patrons of this bar are men. It is not a gay bar-- it is a sort of blue-collar workingman's bar. Most of the guys who go there are married, middle-aged. Most of them have some sort of small business such as plumbing, tile installation, auto mechanics. Strangely, there is also at least one accountant, and about 3 lawyers.

In the midst of this regular crowd are a pair of men. One of them is in law enforcement, and the guy who's always with him is in teaching.

They are a gay couple. They call themselves a couple.

They are accepted by the crowd at this rather dingy little working-class (kind of redneck) bar. There is also at least one lesbian who is a regular there, though she (unlike the two men) does not "declare" her orientation to the general public.

Yes, it can happen. Gays and straights can be friends.

[FreedomAngel82]

59. *gasps*

You mean us straights can be friends with a gay person? Nahh. Better tell Jerry Falwell! :sarcasm:

[No Exit]

84. Yes--even rednecks!

Paging Jerry Falwell!

:)

[madeline_con]

43. "Not once did I get propositioned ..."

And so what if you did? Just say no, if that's the way you feel. :)

[buddysmellgood]

52. STOP! WAKE UP! IT'S ALL PART OF THE AGENDA! You'll soon find yourself

attracted only to men with an individual sense of style. Beware!

[FreedomAngel82]

60. There has to be an alien somewhere

;) No conspiracy is complete without an alien. Maybe you didn't get hit on because they were all really alien men who are addicted to chili!

[buddysmellgood]

61. Oh my god! Body snatchers! What do you think they put in the chili?

[savemefromdumbya]

53. you mean they weren't prancing around in leather harnesses?

darn! :spank:

[Fescue4u]

62. Bill Engel says about Gays

"If it werent for the sex, I could be gay. It would just be like hanging out with your buddies"

[NMMNG]

63. So nobody earned their toaster oven tonight?

The reich-wing loves to spread horror stories that we have some horrifying "lifestyle" that is far removed from the norm. The reality is we go to work, have families, play sports, tend to our lawns and do everything heterosexuals do. Only the romantic stuff is a bit different.

[xchrom]

64. you have fallen into our trap -- we are going to force

hetero guys to play euchre.

[Nikki Stone 1]

65. Dammit, I feel cheated! Where's the hedonism? the debauchery?

Or is that only reserved for neocons?

[Beam Me Up]

75. SOOO True! n/t

[Clintmax]

66. Hello, Bluzmann!

Thank you for this post! I'm glad you had fun with your new friends! This just goes to show that most of us are not the stereotypes you see on TV all the time!

[lakemonster11]

69. That's great that you went to a gay bar with your friend.

One of my roommates in college was gay, and she would get really frustrated because none of her straight friends but me would go with her to the local lesbian bar. It didn't matter to me where we went (and I get nervous when men hit on me anyway), so I was always willing to go with her. I didn't think it was a big deal, but she was really touched by my company.

I'm sure your friend really appreciates you.

[ourbluenation]

70. My sis is a fabulous lesbian and we go shopping for fabulous clothes

and fabulous make up and fabulous jewelry and get fabulous pedicures and once a year we all watch sense and sensibility and her (and my husband!) cry and cry and cry...you couldn't have a more girly girl than her...My point - the stereotypes about gays and lesbians are lame.

She's a flight attendant and gets hit on by pilots all the time, and you don't find more rightie folks than pilots. I love it when she says "no thanks - but do you have a sister?????" The best though is that they never think she's gay (cuz as a fab gal she doesn't fit the stereoptype of lesbians) and talk shit about gays in front of her - when they find out their jaws drop!!! Ha!

[VOX]

89. All right! I shop for threads with my gay brother and his partner!

And historically, I, the straight guy in this silly case, have always had to help my brother with colors -- he's color-bat blind when it comes to blues, greens, etc.

Both my brother and I often buy our duds at the same stores; therefore, according to the reactionary right wing, either I'm "dressing gay," or my brother's "dressing straight!"

:bounce: :rofl:

[MountainLaurel]

72. I always wondered about that

Because in WV, all the gay men I knew were football freaks who could shout statistics about games that happened 45 years ago with the best of them. One used to create his own little guide to college football and have it bound at Kinko's.

[Bigmack]

73. Now I'm worried....

... about my sexual orientation. I hate bars. Beer and chili would just give me gas. Card games are about as boring as it gets.

I went to a opera ensemble the other night, and I'm scheduled for the ballet next week.

After all these years of thinking I was hetero, I find out the gay lifestyle is too "butch" for me!

[swimboy]

76. Don't worry

I'm an opera queer and I've got your back. :hi:

[ComerPerro]

78. Four words? Which ones? "Gay bar" and "euchre tournament"?

LOL

[eyepaddle]

82. Stop it, you're killing me

:rofl:

[ComerPerro]

83. It really cracked me up when I read it

The other day he told me about a local gay bar which was having a euchre tournament which included free food as well as cheap beer. Now those are four of the greatest words in the American version of the English language as far as I'm concerned so I said I'd be there.

[Initech]

80. Reminds me of a Jon Stewart quote

"Over in New York, and ONLY in New York, the Billy Graham Bible Crusade is going on at Madison Square Garden. Just a few blocks down is the annual gay pride parade. Now guess which one is trying to convert more people to its lifestyle and agenda? Uh... the crusade!"

[Lisa]

86. shocking, isn't it! I stopped by one lesbian couple's house ...

... to pick up some flyers for the city elections (one of them is running for council). And ... the two of them were right there in the living room, PARENTING! It was really shameless. They were helping their son with his homework (leaf collection for science class). They were probably teaching him all about evolution and ecology, too -- and the next thing we know, the little tyke will be demanding new national parks and picking up litter for recycling. Might as well dance around a backyard altar sacrificing to Bacchus and Pan, while they're at it.

The most insidious thing about BC allowing same-sex marriage is that we will now have even more boring married couples wandering around, obstructing the aisles at the Safeway and the Canadian Tire store -- and when someone looks over and says, "oh there's Helen and her partner Jill", you won't know which is which, and you will probably guess wrong and look like an idiot!

[FearofFutility]

87. Another aspect of the "gay lifestyle"

Girl Scout troop leader. My daughter's troop leader for the last 3 years is a lesbian. She does a great job and my daughter looks up to her.

[Puglover]

90. I live in Minneapolis.....

back in the day before I moved up here from Chicago, I was told by two friends who had lived in the TC that once I got up here I had better be ready to APPROACH men in the bars up here. Mpls St Paul men are notorious for being stand offish....Stand and Model we used to call it. When I did move up here...sure enough....if you didn't initiate conversation in the bar (Gay 90's) you would never meet a soul.

Anyway given this I was always amused when I'd hear some straight guy at work tell a story about how his girlfriend had drug him to the 90's on some decadent Sat. night and how he had been pawed and hit upon until his fragile str8 psyche was ready to go into melt down.

Yeah....uh huh...

:eyes:

[maqbroom]

92. before you know it you'll...

Those people will have you watching Star Trek just like them! Don't let them convert you! Soon our children will be forced to believe that it's "natural" to be able to tell which episode it is before the title appears.