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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:39 PM
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Second grand jury move deepens Bush's problems
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10356144


The White House faces deepening political embarrassment - and possible new criminal indictments - following the announcement of a new grand jury to examine the outing of a politically inconvenient undercover CIA agent in the months immediately following the Iraqi invasion.

Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been making life miserable for the Bush Administration, announced on Friday that the investigation was not only continuing, but warranted the empanelling of a second grand jury.

The first grand jury fingered Vice-President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, on five counts of obstruction of justice and lying.

Until last week the most vulnerable member of the Administration appeared to be Karl Rove, President Bush's most valued political adviser, who has acknowledged being one of the officials who discussed the CIA agent Valerie Plame with reporters shortly before her identity was made public.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:43 PM
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1. If I hear another repug say that the Clinton Administration was/is
the most corrupt Administration in this Nation's history, I swear my head will :nuke:!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:49 PM
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:54 PM
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3. Why would we want to do that?
:shrug:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:55 PM
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4. Yes, and the point is? Clinton invaded Iraq?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:59 PM
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6. Are you trying to say Clinton invaded Iraq?
nice try to blame him for Iraq too
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:24 PM
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11. For our late and unlamented friend Kaks
Unfortunately, you got tombstoned and your post was removed, so I'll be working in a bit of a vacuum. But that's okay; I can probably take you in a battle of wits with one brain tied behind my back (just to put it in terms you're familiar with, even if you can't understand it).

See, before your hero George W. Bush was illegally installed in the White House by a cabal of activist judges on the U.S. Supreme Court, a lot of people in the United States knew that Saddam Hussein was a bad, bad man. In fact, some of us knew it even with Young George's current Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was shaking Saddam's hand back in the 1980s, supplying Saddam with weapons and munitions, both regular ordnance and chemical.

While Young George's political backers were making a shitload of money in the 1980s arming both sides of the Iran/Iraq war, making sure that there was maximum carnage for each country, we demonstrated against the regime of Saddam Hussein. We found him to be a brutal dictator even before Young George's father Old George found it was cool to dislike Saddam Hussein. And if not cool, at least politically expedient.

All through the 1990s (gee, that seems like such a long time ago to someone of your chronological and political immaturity, I'll bet), some of us continued to press the case for regime change in Iraq, but we also (and here's where it's probably going to discombobulate your caveman mentality of "George Smash!") advocated relaxation of the UN sanctions against Iraq. We knew that an effective opposition to Saddam in Iraq was only going to come if it was nurtured and nourished, and with the sanctions in place, the only people in Iraq who would be in line for anything would be Saddam and his supporters.

In 1998, you may remember that Bill Clinton was being pressured heavily by the folks in the Republican party. If you think real hard, I'm sure you'll recall that Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingstone both had to give up their House seats because they had the same zipper problems that Bill Clinton had, and it just wasn't very seemly for them to be going around talking impeachment for the same behavior that they themselves were guilty of. It may have been the last gasp of the last shred of Republican dignity. Certainly folks like Henry Hyde, Tom DeLay, Dennis Hastert and much of the rest of the GOP leadership in the House isn't overly burdened by a conscience or a sense of propriety.

So in 1998, the resolution that you posted was passed. It meant that the United States didn't much care for Saddam's regime, and would like to see it changed. And that's about it. There was no further action taken, certainly no illegal invasion was launched because of this resolution, no soldiers were sent to kill and die, nobody was tortured, and billions and billions of dollars from the Treasury weren't squandered on a futile effort to "bring democracy to the Middle East" at the business end of the barrel of a gun. That's probably what has you so upset. Of course, since you're gone, there's no point asking where you're stationed, or how much action you've seen. I have my suspicions though, which you can read by highlighting the blank section that follows:

You haven't seen any action, because you're a loudmouth chicken hawk who prefers that other people fight and die in his place, while you bitch about having to pay taxes.

Anyway, your boy George, hero of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, is run by a bunch of chickenhawks who've never seen battle, never heard a shot fired in anger, and who don't know the first thing about running a country. I'm sorry you're so angry; perhaps you should get some counseling to help you deal with George Bush's kakistocracy, kaks.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:27 PM
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12. I hope the little troll reads this.
:applause:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:58 PM
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5. Oh, man, that was quick...
Edited on Sun Nov-20-05 06:59 PM by Blue_In_AK
Just when I was going to alert, he went all tombstone on us.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:03 PM
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7. He'll be back to spread more hate and discontent, after he runs around
the internet(s) telling everyone how DU bans posters for telling the "truth" :rofl:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:05 PM
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8. Mods are pissed. They haven't tombstoned anyone in a long time
Edited on Sun Nov-20-05 07:58 PM by NNN0LHI
Seems like most of the Freepers coming here these days are the ones abandoning the Nazi...er..ah..Republican party.

Don
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:09 PM
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9. I guess they must be lonely.........
.......now that no one is going to the Freeper place anymore.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:18 PM
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10. Well, darn.......
Just when I found the ignore button, too........
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