The advocating of violence on DU is disgusting.

[SouthernDem2004]

DU is clearly becoming more of a Fundemantalist website. The hate and intolerence is becoming unbearable. The calls for violence and revolution are sad. People wishing to force their views on others by violence. The posting of "I hate America threads." The sexist comments about the appearance of female Republicans. The racial comments about black Republicans. The hate spewed at religion and anyone religious. Heck, I have no need to post links. Just look at the active DU threads.


Is this the face of DU? Is this what it has become? Where do the voices of reason go? Where did the actual debate go? Is DU becoming hate filled and irrelevent? Sadly, I think so.

I am a Police Officer. I am one of the people you will have to kill if you become violent. That what you want?


Peace,

SouthernDem2004

[rockymountaindem]

1. I'm not sure this place was ever so sane to begin with.

I read here for the occasional nugget, and because it is a good source of news and perspective on local political races.

That stuff you talk about is all to frequent and would provide good entertainment if it weren't so scary. People don't realize what they're talking about, I think. It's sad for them and for us.

[LaurenG]

2. ...

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[AmyDeLune]

31. ...

[arwalden]

43. Save Some For Me...

... make mine buttered.

:popcorn:

[Junkdrawer]

3. Links?

:shrug:

[SouthernDem2004]

8. If you actually need some:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5403518

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5407706

Those are two of the current active ones. Check GD, there are more.

[Junkdrawer]

13. If that's what you mean, we have a whole GUNS forum...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=118

[buff2]

26. What's wrong with those threads?

I agree with them....we've taken enough BS from those repuke thugs and it's time we stood up for ourselves. I am NOT a repuke or a Bu$h ass kisser and never will be.....so ARREST me. :grr:

[ret5hd]

4. i think we should all join together and go kick their butts!!!

i kid, i kid.

[Nitrogenica]

5. Umm...for example..?

[SouthernDem2004]

10. Well...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Those are two of the current active ones. Check GD, there are more.

[Nitrogenica]

12. LInks don't work

[SouthernDem2004]

14. Hmmm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5403518

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5407706

[...of J.Temperance]

19. I like men in uniforms...especially

Southern men in uniforms. It's okay I'd never harm you with violence.

I'm sorry you're upset.

[catmother]

6. there are whackos everywhere. sorry to say -- even on DU

it's better to just ignore those posts. i haven't been around all that long but i know what you mean. but there are also very peaceful, intelligent people here. don't be discouraged.

[burythehatchet]

36. the fact of the matter is that

the opposition is very adept at poisoning any place of public discourse. I think the infiltration and disruption is FAR more prevelant than anyone cares to believe.

[patricia92243]

7. There are a lot of trolls on DU. They do not represent the rank and file.

[othermeans]

9. I believe it is more reactionary than anything else. People angry about

not having a voice

[Daphne08]

11. No one should be advocating violence against anyone! n/t

[still_one]

15. I have NOT encountered the threads you are referring to

however, when I encounter threads on DU that go overboard, usually one of several things occur:

1. The moderators lock the thread
2. The are usually calmer heads who present an opposing or non-violent view

Let me give an example. When huricaine katrina presented itself, there were a few, NOT the majority, who expressed that since it was occurring in the red states, they were getting what they deserved because they supported bush. Enough people countered those views, that I did NOT see any of that hate when Wilma came.

I have seen some of that animosity expressed against Jews in discussions of PNAC or Israel, as though one follows another, but as the discussions evolved, I think the points made showed that generalizations or sterotypes in any form were NOT good.

Nothing can be painted with a broad brush, and as long as it is NOT overtly advocating actual violence to a specific person, I think an open forum is a positive thing

[...of J.Temperance]

16. I don't think I've ever advocated violence...ONLY spanking

I don't do violence :cry:

There's nothing wrong with spanking though :)

[chefgirl]

17. Here's a hint

Use the 'hide a thread' feature, and get over yourself.

People come here for a lot of different reasons. Sometimes they just need to rant. Don't like it? Don't read it.

Seems to me, this thread is a bit of a rant, just like one of the other ones you referred to, and I don't see anyone here complaining about our resident DU Policeman, once again, lecturing the rest of the members while, once again, reminding us that he's a policeman.

*yawn* It's getting old, dude.

-chef-

[SouthernDem2004]

18. Lol, then do what you suggested. bye bye

[chefgirl]

21. Um...yeah

Again....get over yourself.

-chef-

[asthmaticeog]

20. I guess it all depends on whose side you're on

when the REVOLUTION COMES DOWN!

[...of J.Temperance]

25. I must say...that last picture of Junior

Always frightens me...the vampire one.

:scared:

[asthmaticeog]

33. ...

BOO!

[...of J.Temperance]

You're just

Evil...taking advantage of my scaredy cat nature...

I'm off to hide under the bed.

:scared:

Obviously I'll be out later, for some chocolate chip cookies.

[seabeyond]

22. violence begets violence

can you think of any reasons why maybe things have escalated to where they have in our society today,.... police officer that would resort to declaring you would have to mruder me, (as if there is no other solution that you are taught in handling any situation including a violent situation) , that may have this board resorting to such hate filled talk?

i wonder

[SouthernDem2004]

37. Point is most Democrats do not support violence.

If some choose to become viloent it will be up to the Police to stop them. Clearly the people they will be violent against will be the Police that are trying to stop them.

[seabeyond]

48. clearly.... i dont think that is representitive of what we are seeing

i know that is the reason use the excuse to abuse the democrats that protest, but i think what is really evident in behavior, not mouthing off words on a computer board is that consistantly the democrat revolts in a peaceful mannner. and then the police create the violence in stopping their right to speak against, or speak out.

i think that is what we consistantly see, not an illusionary story of democrats being violent towards police. so basically you are telling people to stop something they have not done, threwatening them with death

and position we see the police take time and time again over the last ahndful of years

but...... feel free to lecture us on behavior cause i am confident you wont own the role of our police in this society today

[Rick Myers]

23. Having been a mod a few times, I can say that...

...violence and revolution are looked at very carefully as topics of discussion. No overt threats are allowed, and the use of the word revolution inferring ANYTHING illegal is purged.

People here are fed up, and the recent wave of self-destruction on the part of the Republicans has many folks agitated. I feel the same way some time, but would never posts that stuff here.

And there are plenty of trolls and moles here. Some with fairly high post counts. Thier goal if to do something stupid here so they can run back to their 'friends' and brag. It's really amazing how fanatical some of these people really are...

I hope you will stick around. DU is really a great place.

Peace,

Rick

[GirlinContempt]

24. I didn't realize cops

always went with the status quo :shrug:

[SouthernDem2004]

42. We enforce the laws. Attempting to overthrow the existing government is

illegal in many ways.

[El Supremo]

27. I agree. Just look at...

the top of this page with the boxing glove knocking the worthless, murdering, lying, idiot, puppet, dyslectic, drunk, coke addict....

Arrrrrrrrgh! That feels good!

[AuntPatsy]

28. I have never in my life been a violent person but seriously, how

much is one supposed to take before they begin sticking up to those attacking them, and if you think the left has not been under full blown attack for quite some time, your living in an alternate universe than I am...

We are human beings and as such, we have flaws granted, but where in the world do you get off attempting to label those fed up with being abused to nothing more than killers, your words not mine or not those that I have seen...

Is not war killing? Just because one is supposedly at war, does that give them an automatic license to MURDER innocent people who are NOT a threat?, you cannot have it both ways. Way too many people in this country have absolutely no problem with this country fighting a war in another country as long as their sorry hides are free from danger...

Granted, none of this is right, but that is the human world for you, been that war since the beginning of time and I don't see it changing anytime soon. I can hope it will but no matter how much I dont want to face it, the reality is that we kill, and are doing such right now..

If you want to talk about violence, well look to those in power and jump on them, they have no problem pushing it everytime they open their mouths and they push their base to act in the same manner..

I assume if someone kept knocking you down you would just fall then get up and calmly tell them to please stop it?

[SouthernDem2004]

47. You claim I stated something I clearly did not.

"We are human beings and as such, we have flaws granted, but where in the world do you get off attempting to label those fed up with being abused to nothing more than killers, your words not mine or not those that I have seen..."

I stated no such thing.

[Nitrogenica]

29. A call to fight is not necessarily a call to violence.

Consider what Al Franken wrote about the 2004 Kerry campaign in his new book. Al writes that during the Democratic Convention there was a large effort to keep the message positive. In other words instead of saying "We hate Bush", say "We love Kerry". Meanwhile Bush was rolling all over Kerry. The public did not see the strength of Kerry, many saw Bush as stronger because he attacked harder, despite the fact that every attack was unfair and deceitful.

I do not advocate violence, what I am saying is that it is time for us to attack. Fortunately for us, our attacks are based on the truth of history, rather than deceitful and empty rhetoric.

We can win this fight. Take the truth about Bush and spin it even a little bit and what you have is the mother of all attack ads.

For example the inaction of FEMA and the Republican led House and Senate in it's aftermath are ripe for a negative ad. Think of the power this would have to sway public opinion with a dose of truth.

Every Republican running for office in 2006 should fear us and the power of our mighty pens.

[Junkdrawer]

39. During the 60s, every excuse to paint the opponents to war and racism...

as "violent" was used so that true violent repression could be used.

[prescole]

30. You're right, SouthernDem...but I think most of this ranting is really

just letting off steam. One of the reasons for freedoms of the press and speech is that they allow for peaceful release of anger instead of letting it fester.
Now, about all the South bashing...THAT is disgusting.
(From NE Georgia)

[...of J.Temperance]

40. The South bashing has calmed down some, and you just have to

Take it in your stride. That's what I do, just don't get involved. I do point out now and then that there are GOOD people in the South and not everyone is a Stars and Bars waving Fundie, and this is usually accepted by people.

[MadisonProgressive]

32. Don't be a putz. This is America, remember?

Freedom of speech and all that. If you are against people saying things you don't agree with, then there are a lot of republicans that you could arrest too. Why not go to freerepublic and threaten to shoot them? :shrug:

There, I went overboard - just like you did. Peace!

[Nitrogenica]

34. Here's a good attack based on TRUTH!

[shance]

35. You are right. God forbid we should be angry. We should continue to

be diplomatic about the murders of thousands of innocent people, the torture of innocent people, people being forced to leave their city and their home in New Orleans while Halliburton and Dick Cheney cleanup.

Diplomacy is working wonders with these folks that are destroying everything in their path, and profiting off of the destruction they are creating.

We should continue to remain diplomatic about the terror and fear they are instilling in our children and in every Americans lives. We should remain calm at the anthrax threats, the flu threats, the fake terror threats, the real terror threats.

We should continue to remain diplomatic at all costs while this Administration declares war on education and cuts funding for our kids schools, for Medicare, Social Security, the Arts, while more war toys are built so they can destroy and kill some more.

Tell me something, when in your opinion is it appropriate to become angry and willing to fight for future of this nation?

I have seen no one here advocate violence. However, I am pretty astounded that you would focus on logical outrage from Americans who have been 'raped' by this Administration over the power abusers who thrive on chaos, death and violence.

[chefgirl]

44. Egg-sackly!

:yourock:

-chef-

[bridgit]

38. my sense is that the vast majority is sick & tired of these repubicans...

their idiot, bombastic, selfish and ill placed tirades about virtually nothing, and the ways in which they routinely sanction passive aggression against 'we the people'. we have the means; it is right there in our loftiest of articles & amendments. they should be thankful we are far less than inclined to take up arms and expel them at the point of a gun barrel as they would have us done out right imo.

have you been by freerepublic? go there. and then learn in earnest what the turnings of a violent mind truly looks like.

[madrchsod]

41. you know there is good and bad in every group.

the core of people in this site are dedicated in changing this society to the betterment of everyone. it`s up to us and the moderators to call out people who act in a manor that is against our stated goals.we all have a stake in this site and we have to be responsible for it and if we see something we think is wrong we should use the alert.
sometimes we make mistakes,say things we wish we hadn`t,offended people when we knew it was wrong and if we are mature we admitt our wrongs and go on. hell i`ve been warned,threads pulled,and a disagreement that was resolved thru personal email. no it ain`t what i want either that`s why i care

[mike_c]

45. well, if it comes to that, I suppose you'll have to decide...

...where your loyalties lie. How would you respond if ordered to fire on a group of protestors, even if necessary to protect property? If I end up in the street, I'll not be thinking of police as my friends as long as they defend the facists.

[Generic Other]

46. "The Boiling Point" (one of your links) did not advocate violence

It expressed strong feelings and offered harsh solutions:

"Convict Them. Jail Them. Make Them PAY as High A Price as Necessary.

But do it Legally And Peacefully."

AND THIS:

"...about the most conciliatory thing I can say for those people at this point is simply this:

Kill Yourself.

Seriously.

LET. MY. COUNTRY. GO."

While there was anger expressed, I did not read a call to violent revolution or any such sentiment. I think SouthernDem2004, you will find most of us are reasonable citizens who care deeply about the direction our country is taking. Like you, we will follow the law.

But we are not obliged to bend to the will of tyrants.
Turn your anger against those who have brought our country to this moment when the good citizens start to question their own culpability for their willing compliance with the actions of evil men.

Let us hope that none of us, dissenters or those sworn to uphold our laws are ever placed in a position to take action against one another. Those who uphold the law should not turn against their fellow citizens calling for justice.

Are you willing to take action against your countrymen to protect a corrupt government? I think that those in uniform were forced to ask this question of themselves in the Soviet Union. They were not as it turned out willing to kill their fellow citizens at the order of their government.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. SouthernDem, I haven't read the posts you speak of...

...but my guess is it's just people blowing off steam, although I have to agree that the anti-anything-spiritual threads tend to get a little harsh. I just try to ignore them.

[Lengsel]

50. claro que si!

Of course it is a fundamentalist place but there is also some good news on here. Any site that caters to a specific party is going to be a fundamentalist pit. Most of the posts I read are a bit overzealous and exaggerated but overall you can get some good info when you analyze the information with your nonpartisan brain.

[Mr_Spock]

51. People who post that violence crap should be _____ed.

:rofl:

Sorry, I don't agree with the violence, though I do think it's safer to allow people to spout off on their keyboard versus actually doing anything violent. :shrug:

I am rather sick of the racial & gender bias used to characterize Repukes. Heck, I don't even care if the President is 6' or not - he's still a lying war criminal.

[proud patriot]

52. I'm locking this thread

This is inflammatory broadbrush smear of
Democratic Underground .

If you see posts that you construe as advocating
violence the correct course of action is to alert
on the post to bring it to the Moderators Attention.

proud patriot Moderator
Democratic Undergound