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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:23 AM
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A new GOP attack video- Apparently, Dems lied us into war and not the GOP
http://www.gop.com/

The new GOP attack video is awesome. It starts out with Albright and then Bill Clinton back in 1998 misleading the public in the run-up to the Iraq War. It has clips of Sandy Berger and Howard Dean believing Saddam is a threat to peace and dedicated to killing every American. It then shifts to 2002 and highlights Nancy Pelosi and Jay Rockefeller's belief that Saddam had weapons of Mass Destruction. Then we get a view of our heavy hitters, Hilary, Harry and of course Joe Biden, all of them deceived us as well. Wrapping it up for the Democrat warmongers, it's Evan Bayh and John Edwards turn to say Saddam must be stopped because he possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction and we wouldn't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. (Though the video doesn't show this, it was Barbara Boxer that instructed Condi and then the President to use this phraseology. She felt the people needed to understand the seriousness of Saddam's pursuit for these weapons and instructed the White House to use the nuclear cloud terminology)

Finally, at the end, we have our beloved leader fighting back and defending the TRUTH!!! They have clipped his video speech from a few days ago where he defends his his belief that he never lied and he only went to war because the Democrats fed him faulty intel since 1998. How was he supposed to know that Iraq didn't have weapons of Mass Destruction when even President Clinton stated that Iraq posed a grave and "imminent" threat to the U.S. and would kill everyone here because of our freedoms? How was he supposed to know that the Democrat claims, he was only echoing, were false? The video stops short of calling for the impeachment and removal of office of the entire Democratic Caucus from the House and Senate but after watching the video, what other choice is there?

After watching the video, it's clear to me that the Democrats orchestrated the lie that Iraq posed a threat to the U.S. It's now clear the the Downing Street Memo was misconstrued. When Bush said he wanted to "fix the facts around the policy" he actually meant that he wanted to correct the Democratic "Lies" before they pushed him into war. Unfortunately for the U.S., Bush wasn't able to sift through the deceptive tactics of the Democrats and was forced into Iraq. It's a sad day when the American people sit idly by while the bestest President ever is targeted for a campaign of deception and tricked into committing our troops to war based on the deceptions of the Democratically controlled CIA and high-ranking members of the Democratic party. It's a shame that once things started going bad, we Democrats got together in a huge circle-jerk of flip-floppiness and claimed that it was the President and his secret cabal of "Intelligence Fixers" who manipulated evidence. It's clear that this is not the case, I urge you to watch this video repeatedly, over and over again, for 79 hours straight so you can fully understand why the Democrats deceived us. I also urge you not to research the context of these Democrats statements because you might fall into the false assumption trap that most of them were using intel provided by that secret cabal known as WHIG. I also urge you to ignore the current statements of Edwards and Kerry about how they believe "they" were deceived into war and that it was a mistake for them to "support" going to war when in fact it was these President-wannabees that tricked us in the first place. Always remember, Democrats hate God and hate our troops and love France. Good night and God Bless the GOP.

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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:27 AM
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1. Too Late - the infighting has begun
Republicans are bolting from Bush and trying to figure out who can win in 2008....
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maximovich Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:30 AM
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5. Notice the URL Though
It's being issued by the GOP. I have to wonder as to how many are willing to go along with this Rovian plot to blame Dems. If so, they are gambling their political future as a Political Party for many years to come. The public just isn't buying this bullshit anymore.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:39 AM
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11. The Chimp is a Lame Duck
Repukes are going to be crawling over each other to get to the "middle" and the middle is really pissed off at Chimpy
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maximovich Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:42 AM
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15. I Just Love How They Dug Their Own Ditch
Thank you, God. Karma is very real.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:47 AM
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18. I'm worried that some will see this as they, I see it now.
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maximovich Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:58 AM
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20. I Don't Understand Your Statement
Are you worried that people will blame the whole GOP or...?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:14 AM
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25. No, like oh I see now, how it is the democrats who have caused this.
hope it helps.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 11:23 AM
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30. Poll: American attitudes on Iraq similar to Vietnam era
WASHINGTON — There are enormous differences between the war in Iraq and the one in Vietnam that defined a generation. The current conflict hasn't lasted as long, taken nearly as many American lives or sparked the sort of anti-war movement that marked the '60s and '70s.


But when it comes to public opinion, Americans' attitudes toward Iraq and the course ahead are strikingly similar to public attitudes toward Vietnam in the summer of 1970, a pivotal year in that conflict and a time of enormous domestic unrest.

Some political scientists and historians predict that the Iraq conflict, like the one in Vietnam, will shape American attitudes on foreign policy and the use of military force long after it's over.

"This war is probably a really big deal historically in terms of America's perspective on the world," says John Mueller, a political scientist at Ohio State University. "What you're going to get after this is 'We don't want to do that again — No more Iraqs' just as after Vietnam the syndrome was 'No more Vietnams.' "

SNIP

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-15-poll-vietnam_x.htm

Page One today. It's all over but the shouting.

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:28 AM
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2. yeah, this isn't far from the truth.
Kind of funny if it weren't so damn pathetic.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:08 AM
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24. except for the fact that BUSHCO was lying about Saddam and Nukes
sorry I don't buy Karl Rove's story of how Bush's war is the fault of the Democrats.

If you like it, fine.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:15 AM
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26. I'm sorry to be unclear
What I meant to say was that the original posts satirical take on what republicans are saying isn't far from what they are actually saying. Not that I agreed with that nonsense.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:16 PM
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31. got it and thanks. . .
:toast:
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maximovich Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:28 AM
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3. SO the WHOLE GOP is on the Attack?
Does that mean the whole GOP was in on Bush's lying too... oooooh, I think thou protest too much, GOP!
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Kralizec Donating Member (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:35 AM
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8. We must remember. * is a Demon, the GOP is hell itself. (eom)
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:29 AM
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4. It's only working on the wingnuts and Freeps
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 09:30 AM by Loonman
More than a few Repub Senators and Reps are having second and third thoughts about the invasion. I'm sure a lot of them don't want to linked to Bush's idiocy.
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maximovich Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:32 AM
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6. They DOn't Believe It Either
You tell by the way they argue. They just hate Dems and or liberals that much. Their head has been fostered with so much Urban Myth, that they see us a the new "Red Scare". Funny they pick RED as their own political color too.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:34 AM
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7. You have got to be kidding me.
The public won't buy this.

The right is fucked if they interpret straw-grasping as strategic triumph.
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loveandlight Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:41 AM
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14. I hope you are right
It seems the Republicans are fighting amongst themselves at this point, so it will be hard to get the public behind a single message if they all can't agree to one. But if they find that something resonates and starts getting them on track, you can bet they will try like hell to get back on message. The best hope is that the Bush cabal is too far gone and too much info has gotten out to sweep it under the rug at this point, the lump there would be too big and too obvious.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:37 AM
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9. Simple: ALL old intel was INOPERABLE the moment that weapons inspectors
started reporting back to the UN and to Bush from ON THE GROUND IN IRAQ in Jan 2003.

It doesn't matter what old intel Clinton was reading or what new intel Bush was fixing - ALL of it was inoperable when the REAL TIME, ACCURATE FACTS were being reported from Jan 2003.

Bush made his determination war was necessary AFTER weapons inspectors reported REAL FACTS to him that proved otherwise.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:38 AM
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10. Wow - this is so f**ed up I don't where to begin.
"I also urge you not to research the context of these Democrats statements..."
That sums it up in a nutshell.

They seem to be suffering from bouts of schizophrenia. First they branded Clinton as an evil man not worthy of holding the office of the Presidency. Now they're using him as the ultimate guidepost in justifying the Iraq war. :crazy:

Hope they included video of Colin Powell and Condi Rice saying in 2001 that Saddam was not a threat.

"We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq..."
Colin Powell 2/24/01

"But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
Condoleeza Rice 7/29/01

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
(there is also video of those statements at the link)



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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:41 AM
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12. how blatant can it be?
"I also urge you not to research the context of these Democrats statements because you might fall into the false assumption trap that most of them were using intel provided by that secret cabal known as WHIG."


well, maybe some of us are not as easily "trickd" as *
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:59 AM
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21. Maybe I'm perverse but the first thing I DO when someone tells me NOT to
research or check the facts they're feeding me is RESEARCH, check and DIG because from experience that's usually a red flag that they're sure as heck hiding stuff under the load of bull they're dishing out.

OTOH.... I did have a teacher that used that as a sort of reverse psych tool to get us to actually research things.... hmmm... maybe they WANT folks to find out what BS artists they are. ;)
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:41 AM
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13. TODAY: 5 Marines Killed as U.S. Pushes Sweep in Western Iraq

By KIRK SEMPLE
Published: November 16, 2005
UBAYDI, Iraq, Nov 16 - Five Marines were killed and 11 were wounded this morning while they searched a house on the outskirts of this town in western Anbar Province, officials said. It was the deadliest day for American troops since beginning a wide sweep of several towns along the Euphrates River near the Syrian border on Nov. 5.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/16/international/middleeast/16cnd-marines.html

Make a video of that Chickenhawks.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:43 AM
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16. This is hugh!!!
Of course, * is just a victim of the all powerful clintonistas!!! They couldn't help themselves, they couldn't back away!! They tried to NOT invade, but the evil big dog had so rigged the world that * had no choice and now * has to make it all right again! What political genius!
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:45 AM
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17. None of these statements by Democrats mean anything now
They were negated after the inspectors left and Bush Invaded.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 09:51 AM
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19. It makes me so angry that those Dems pushed us into war, and are now
trying to rewrite history!

Bush is the victim here!

:sarcasm:
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:07 AM
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23. I feel your pain - I weep for Bush - If only the Dems weren't so evil...
Riggy, Riggy... Look what they done to you, Riggy :cry:
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:06 AM
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22. Dems supported continuing inspections, doing it right...
... not going off to war half-cocked with no plan like Bush did.

Yes, Dems thought Saddam *might* have NBC weapons, or programs to create them. That was why Dems supported a hardline inspections regime to get to the bottom of it. At the time of our invasion, Saddam was complying with all inspection demands -- it was Bush who gave up and pulled the inspectors out and made the completely arbitrary decision to go to war *without evidence*.

Even if Saddam had in the future tried to block inspectors, there were proposals for coercive inspections, inspectors backed up by military force. Had Saddam attacked these inspectors, the world community would have been rallied to our side.

The arbitrary decision to go to war was bad enough, but the inept, incompetent way the Bush administration *went to war* -- that is the biggest crime of all. They froze out the State Dept. and rejected the warnings in their 2000 page "Future of Iraq" document, the most well-researched and seasoned analysis available. They rejected entreaties from generals who told them that Iraq would need hundreds of thousands more soldiers to provide proper security, prevent looting, and lay the groundwork for a peaceful transition to a new government. It was the Bush administration that dissolved the Iraqi army and sent them off to fight against our soldiers. It was the Bush administration that promised this war would pay for itself.

The facts are: Bush blew it. He betrayed the trust of the American soldier and the American people by not planning for the worst case scenario. By discarding advice he didn’t want to hear, he set our troops up for failure instead of success. Bush didn't plan to win, he planned for a fantasy. And that's why we are where we are today, in an expensive bloody quagmire with no way out.

Trying to blame to Democrats for the mistakes of this Republican war will never wash with the American people.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:23 AM
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27. Jesus, I thought I was reading satire. nt
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:49 AM
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28. I thought I was writing satire...
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:51 AM
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29. Stay tuned for the next video from the GOP....
They blame the whole Abramoff scandal with the Native American casinos on Andrew Jackson for passing the Indian Removal Act in 1830.

Face it lame ass GOP, you screwed up big time. You can pull events from history and claim that they resolve you of all evil doings. whether they were right or wrong at the time, they have nothing to do with your evil doings today. Idiots!


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