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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:24 AM
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how long can dubya keep fooling his Christian Conservative base?
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 06:28 AM by mopaul
my little bro, who voted twice for dubya has soured, mainly over the war. but he held on for 4 faithful years. bush lost him to my amazement, and that means he's losing legions of former blind faithful.

how long can he string them along with his phoney baloney born again facade? how long can they use jesus and bush in the same adoring sentences like they have been?

there are so, so many people who were hoodwinked into thinking bush is a christian man who has only lofty plans for america, and they've given him a free pass on every sin imaginable, including mass murder, something jesus would probably not have approved of.

how long can he get away with exploiting the ones that reagan invited to the party?
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:30 AM
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1. It defies logic!
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:34 AM
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2. Not much longer
Matter of fact Demcrats should lobby the resonable portion (if it exists) to think about voting democratic. Democrats should simply count the number of time Bush mentioned faith before the 2004 election and how many times faith was mentioned since.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:39 AM
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3. if they'd simply compare Christ's teachings to dubya's actions....
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 06:39 AM by mopaul
but man o man they are blinded by faith
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:45 AM
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5. Christ? Who's Christ? These folks skip right from Leviticus to
Revelations. Jesus simply doesn't have enough "shoulds and oughts" for them. He also scores really low on the smiting scale, which is a clear indicator of unholiness.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:43 AM
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4. Based on the career of Pat Robertson...
...or Jimmy Swaggert, I'd say your average lifetime.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:45 AM
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6. There is a hardcore 30% of Americans who
belong to the rabid fundie right. They will never sour on the shrub. All he has to do is say Jesus every now and then and all is forgiven and forgotten. They view world events through apocalyptic eyes and don't really envision a future they will be a part of. Many really believe the rapture will happen in their lifetimes so why is it important to think about social security and such?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:24 AM
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17. I'd like to see the stats on that
I don't know if I believe that 30% of Americans are rabid fundies--maybe 20%. They will stick with Dubya and just pray more for him to defeat his enemies. When he goes down they will wait for a sign indicating their next charismatic leader.

The hardcore Corporate Neo-Cons (born with no ethical compass) will stick together while they jettison Dubya. The 'unholy union' of fundies and corporate raiders that brought Bushco to power will eventually self-destruct. A union based on sleaze and corruption is weak. But they have done much damage.

'Moderate Republicans' (or those who have the intelligence to know they are getting screwed by an immoral administration) are the ones getting off the bandwagon. They are the supporters who should have had the guts to jump ship awhile ago, but they drank too much "terra" koolaid and remained loyal to the team hoping they'd pull it out. Better late than never.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:47 AM
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7. I think it depends how Alito's confirmation goes
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 06:55 AM by RogueTrooper
I have always believed that the most important item on the Christian Conservative's agenda was filling the Supreme Court with right-wing zealots. Now, arguments about their need for public validation aside, they want somebody who they know will do their bidding.

My belief is that the 1962 Suprememe Court case banning the prayer in school is the basis of the politicisation of America's Christian community. Getting a "friendly" Supreme Court is the most important thing to the religous right. It is why they will happily put up with the temporal impovirishments imposed on them by a Corporatist President.

I think George Bush is a Corporatist who only plays a zealot. The sort of Supreme Court he wants is one that is business friendly. Whatever lies he needs to tell to get that he is happy to tell. However, corporate America, like the rest of America, does not want the sort of social Conservatism Bush's Christian base fantasise about as they believe, socially Liberal societies, are better for their bottom line.

Alito will be when the bow breaks.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:49 AM
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8. "Faith Based Initiatives;" read: bribery, goes a long way to getting
the sheep to endorse your every idiot musing.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:57 AM
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9. The time is unlimited
These fucking people are sheep. All they care about is abortion, and if they teach creationism in school, other than that they don't care what he does.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:58 AM
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10. indefinite
or finite. i believe you, that they'll support him just short of outright worshipping satan.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:01 AM
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11. Your right
that was the word I was looking for, but I couldn't pull it out at this early/late hour.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:15 AM
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12. Satan? Isn't that what they are doing anyway?
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 07:16 AM by RC
Where is their empathy for people and the environment? Their god's creation.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:20 AM
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13. the baby-killing stuff is one of their mega-issues so bush is
forever unless jenna/not-jenna are caught at the clinic.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:34 AM
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14. Not much longer for the good ones. The phony Christians ...
... like himself never were fooled. They wear Christianity as a disguise, just like W. It lets them escape their past (they think) and entitles the worst of assholes to social acceptance. It's a shame such a good thing can be used for such evil. Wolves in sheeps clothing ... Bush and his pseudo-Christians.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:12 AM
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15. Why are hyper-religious people so easily fooled?
Sometimes it seems like they will believe anything if it's said with authority (or at least with bluster, Limbaugh-style) and repeated word for word over and over again.

What kind of mind works this way?
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:39 AM
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21. A mind incapable of independent thought.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:19 AM
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16. As long as they continue allowing themselves to be fooled.
Which is for all eternity, I suspect.

Some people are geniuses for wanting to be led.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:33 AM
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19. This Is The Correct Answer
Nobody can be fooled for long unless they are willing to be fooled. These folks have been used for 20+ years and they just have to know it. They don't care. They like being used.
The Professor
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:32 AM
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18. The Hard Core will go down with the ship with him....any where from
10% to 25% of the voting Public. The Middle guys are making a shift resulting in only 36% approval and 58% plus rejection...many now thinking he has lied more than once.

Besides: Clinton had his Monica but Bush has his Jeff Gannon Gay Prostitute coming to the White House 70 times over 2 years....
The Sheep are perplexed...many going to shrinks over being fooled by the Pub brain washing.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:37 AM
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20. There are still people who love Reagan and Nixon
For that matter, there are people who think Hitler did a good job...he just "went too far."

Bush's base is so gleefully ignorant and unable to ever take responsibility or admit they were wrong that I think they can be duped for decades to come.
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