Josh Marshall says: Stay up....big news brewing

[Boredtodeath]

(November 15, 2005 -- 11:05 PM EST // link)

Keep your browsers open a little longer this evening. Big news brewing.
-- Josh Marshall
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

[berner59]

1. great...

I was counting on an early sleep after 2 late late nights working...it better be good...

[cantstandbush]

50. If it's the Woodward story...it's already out. n/t

[WLKjr]

2. how long and pointed where??

[buddysmellgood]

3. I find Josh to be a fairly sober analyst who wouldn't tease without reason

I will indeed keep my browser open.

[LeftCoast]

5. Yeah, except for that whole 'tectonic plates in DC shifting' story

that never happened. :shrug:

[Canuckistanian]

16. Yeah, WTF was that about?

I kept looking, but saw nothing. Lots of things have shifted LATELY, though.

[Davis_X_Machina]

20. It did, but it happened so slowly...

...in drips and drabs, that there was no earthquake.

Any time you see references to the Niger memos and Italian intelligence services, it goes back to the work he and his sources did on the story last year.

[HereSince1628]

106. I agree. Somehow the expected shock never happened.

[punpirate]

27. Actually, it did happen...

... fairly recently. And he did explain why he didn't write anything at the time--he had made a deal with CBS to share resources on the Italian forgeries story and agreed with them not to publish anything until they'd run their "60 Minutes" story. They put off the Italy story in favor of the Burkett documents on Bush, and then, after the flap over them, decided they couldn't then run a story about forgeries. When the story came out in La Repubblica, the cat was out of the bag, and he could go back over what he'd found.

Cheers.

[Connie_Corleone]

4. Damn! I HAVE to go to bed soon so I can get up early.

I'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out what's the big news.

[dalloway]

6. And to think that I made a quick peek over here before turning in...

[MaggieSwanson]

7. Can do - I have the day of tomorrow.

Wonder what it could be?

[Ilsa]

14. Oh, let's start guessing...

Rumsfeld is fired, or
Bush is running away, seeking asylum in the Orient.

[sabra]

8. sweet - he usuallly doesn't pull any gimmicks

should be interesting

[ClassWarrior]

9. I guess this is the silver lining to the late night cloud of work...

...hanging over my head.

NGU.

[GrumpyGreg]

10. Never heard of Josh Marshall so I think I'll go to bed---I can wait for

the big news,if it comes.

[cry baby]

11. I'm ready for something big...impeachment!?!?! OK, one can hope.

[Newsjock]

12. Possibly it's this:

Editors:
The following story is now scheduled:

LEAK--WASHINGTON--Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward testified under oath Monday in the CIA leak case that a senior administration official told him about CIA operative Valerie Plame and her position at the agency nearly a month before her identity was disclosed. 1,400 words, by Jim VandeHei and Carol D. Leonnig (Post).

[Connie_Corleone]

15. Ooh! Can't wait to read the whole thing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Senior administration official=KKKRove? We can hope! n/t

[msongs]

21. the woodward who keeps saying there's nothing there, move along? nt

[lumpy]

22. Rumors are flying that Cheney is

retiring soon. Do you suppose.....

[calimary]

23. YOWZA!!! Not a bit surprised that woodward is entangled, too.

Damned bush apologist. I'd like to see him one cell over from Ms. Judy Run Amok.

[ClassWarrior]

59. I've heard speculation that he's a covert agent too...

Wasn't he Navy intelligence before he became a media ho?

:hi: Mar...

NGU.

[calimary]

64. Yeah, there was a thread going on about this. Dang, gotta find it.

Bwaaahaha... Found it.

What's wrong with Bob Woodward? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2252233

:evilgrin:

I had heard about his Navy intelligence days. And the notion that he's actually a Republican, himself, doesn't come as news to me, either.

Hi back atcha! For a change, I'm actually two columns ahead at www.democrats.us - the editor lives in hurricane country. MAY have had his handsf full doing something or other...

:hi: :toast:

[tishaLA]

33. Wowee!

I'm salivating at the thought of it.

[lovuian]

96. The Washington Post has been the most brazen and now

we know why... Woodward was subpoened!!! and he didn't like it either!!!

Woodward Russert Novak all part of the machine!!!

[Neil Lisst]

100. it had to be Bush

People don't realize that Bush has absorbed by osmosis some Karl Rove, and he's every bit as vengeful as Rove is. Believe it. Bush wanted to get even with Wilson and Plame as much as Rove, Cheney, and Libby.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. OK. Let us all guess what it is while we wait! My guess, ROVE indictment.

Your turn!

[FranzFerdinand]

17. the government fixed the NFL so...

both teams in Super Bowl XXV were wearing red, white and blue?

[alcibiades_mystery]

Dollars to doughnuts

Rove will be indicted before the end of the week.

He'll resign tomorrow.

[calimary]

18. VERY interesting.

As usual, I can't wait... HATE being teased like this. PLEASE, Josh - PLEASE tell us rove is being frogmarched out of there? PLEASE - could it be cheney? Or even bushie (no, I won't hold my breath for that)?

Guess we'll have to wait and see. Thanks for the heads-up.

on edit - guess we tied, alcibiades - and btw, I like your idea. rove finally nailed. Although I have enjoyed the idea of him twisting in the wind, not knowing...

It's the NOT knowing that's the killer, and that, up til now, remains suspended directly over his head - just like a sword.

[Zynx]

24. God dammit. I was about to go to sleep.

[Canuckistanian]

25. I hope it's not more Italian news

Unless it directly leads to the author of the Niger Yellowcake documents....

[FranzFerdinand]

26. it's up

So the news is out from the Post now -- both in a statement from Bob Woodward and in an article from the Post. The details still seems sketchy and I suspect we're going to find out a lot more in the next few days. But it now seems that Woodward -- who has long been publicly critical of the Fitzgerald investigation -- has been part of it from the beginning. Literally the beginning. From the Post account it appears that Woodward was told of Valerie Plame's identity before any other journalist by an as-yet-unnamed senior administration official who is not Karl Rove or Scooter Libby.
-- Josh Marshall

[Zynx]

29. That could be big news. Woodward is close to a lot of the top guys in this

administration.

[Gold Metal Flake]

34. as-yet-unnamed senior administration official

AYUSAO = Cheney?

Oh, I'm all a-tingle!

But, what to make of Woodward? Was he down on Fitz as a cover or was he nervous?

[DeepModem Mom]

35. Mamma mia!!! I remember Woodward on Larry King. The rest of the panel...

had nothing to say as Woodward said the Plame case amounted to nothing -- they all had looks as if to say, "And what planet is he on?" It was so utterly out of left field, compared to what the others -- I remember David Gergen, but can't recall the others -- were saying.

[Lex]

46. Yes! I remember.

Woodward even said he knew that no harm had come to the CIA because of Plame's id being revealed.

How would he know that anyway?

[WiseButAngrySara]

68. I remember this LKdead interview as well, and had the same impression.

Also his interview with Larry King when his book on the current WH came out, and he was the first to tell the nation Tenet's words "It's a slam dunk." Those words I have NEVER believed. I had the impression that he was lying then, and I recall his expression of lying every single time I hear of that incidence. The same thing occurs every time I hear B* repeat the now infamous 16 words in the SOTU addresss They are lying.

[seabeyond]

74. i agree on the slam dunk thing

i saw it too, and was in wow. i couldnt believe tenet had said it from what we had been hearing from tenet

[Viva_La_Revolution]

37. !

:wow:

[journalist3072]

39. Cheney or even Bush possibly? eom

[seabeyond]

53. he had a chat with bush for his book. when he got tenets slam

dunk that tenet probably never said but aloud cause it already got out in htis book

[WiseButAngrySara]

72. I posted#68 before I had read your post. What is this Slam Dunk

comment, IYO? Was this the first time BFEE tried to make the CIA (Tenet) take the heat for faulty intell, so they could later blame their cherry-picking of it on that?

[seabeyond]

75. i believe so. it was right after this tenet

fell in line behind powell, which again threw me, because tenet wasnt in that mindset. yes yes

as you see i posted to yours above before seeing this

still waiting to see what the tenet thing was about. and then tenet was pissed about the plame thing too

[Marr]

103. Christ- remember Woodward's recent appearance on Larry King?

When he was shamelessly repeating all the WH's talking points, arguing that the leak investigation is based on nothing? Even King's panel just looked at him like they couldn't believe the degree of his whoring.

Does Bob Woodward have any credibility left at all? He seems to fit into the same category as Armstrong Williams now.

[seabeyond]

28. have about an hour and half....... shoot or more

i can take a nap tomorrow.

[hlthe2b]

30. I've got quite the crush on Josh Micah Marshall...

There's just something about a big, big, big



BRAIN!!!!

Can't wait....

[Canuckistanian]

31. Breaking news.....

"So the news is out from the Post now -- both in a statement from Bob Woodward and in an article from the Post. The details still seems sketchy and I suspect we're going to find out a lot more in the next few days. But it now seems that Woodward -- who has long been publicly critical of the Fitzgerald investigation -- has been part of it from the beginning. Literally the beginning. From the Post account it appears that Woodward was told of Valerie Plame's identity before any other journalist by an as-yet-unnamed senior administration official who is not Karl Rove or Scooter Libby."

[Fozzledick]

32. Update

So the news is out from the Post now -- both in a statement from Bob Woodward and in an article from the Post. The details still seems sketchy and I suspect we're going to find out a lot more in the next few days. But it now seems that Woodward -- who has long been publicly critical of the Fitzgerald investigation -- has been part of it from the beginning. Literally the beginning. From the Post account it appears that Woodward was told of Valerie Plame's identity before any other journalist by an as-yet-unnamed senior administration official who is not Karl Rove or Scooter Libby.

-- Josh Marshall

on edit: Is there an echo in here?:blush:

[derby378]

36. ???

"So the news is out from the Post now -- both in a statement from Bob Woodward and in an article from the Post. The details still seems sketchy and I suspect we're going to find out a lot more in the next few days. But it now seems that Woodward -- who has long been publicly critical of the Fitzgerald investigation -- has been part of it from the beginning. Literally the beginning. From the Post account it appears that Woodward was told of Valerie Plame's identity before any other journalist by an as-yet-unnamed senior administration official who is not Karl Rove or Scooter Libby."

I don't get it. Where's the chewy nougat center for this story?

[Zen Democrat]

38. But Woodward was so sure Fitz wouldn't have any indictments.

I remember when he was on Larry King the week the Libby indictment came down. He was on with Isikoff and Gergen. Woodward was adamant that there was nothing to this, no laws were broken, and there would be no indictments.

If he was told about Plame by a high government official a month before the Novak story, ... well, what gives?

Guess I'll have to wait a bit longer tonight to find out.

[Canuckistanian]

40. You're giving Woodward any credence?

My money's on Fitz subpeonaing Woodward.

[Zen Democrat]

65. Hell no. I was being facetious (sp?). Woodward DID testify on Monday.

It was a deposition given under oath in lieu of a subpoena to testify to the GJ. Bet he's in some trouble at the WP now for not disclosing this. Said he told Pincus, but Pincus says no way he wouldn't remember something like this.

So there was war at the NYT over Miller. Now it appears there's going to be war at the WP over Woodward.

What if Woodward's source was George W. Bush? This was the guy he talked to the most. Bush and Powell were his guys, from what I've heard in his stinking interviews the past few years.

[derby378]

43. I still don't understand what the fuss is all about

Is someone suggesting that Woodward himself may have leaked Plame's identity?

[seabeyond]

55. who did he get it from? just more into the story. it isnt dead

and over with libby

[Lex]

41. That night on CNN, Woodward acted weird and he stated he knew

that the post-disclosure damage investigation (done by the CIA after Plame's name was revealed) showed no real harm occured to the CIA.

This is what Woodward said on CNN.

How would Woodward have access to that sort of intel anyway?

The night on CNN I'm talking about is on Larry King Live during the first night or so after Fitz announced Libby's indictment.

[swag]

42. Who told Woodward? John Hannah?

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney_aide_cooperating_with_CIA_outing_1018.html

[Viva_La_Revolution]

44. From the article...

Woodward also said in interviews this summer and fall that the damage done by Plame's name being revealed in the media was "quite minimal."

"When I think all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable because the consequences are not that great," he told National Public Radio this summer.


Rat Bastard!
:grr:

[journalist3072]

45. Ok....let's think here...

Does anyone remember off hand, all the administration officials that Woodward interviewed for his book Bush at War?

His interviews would have been an opportune time for the rat bastards in the Bush administration to out Valerie Plame to him.

[Zen Democrat]

66. George "Slam Dunk" Tenet, for one.

[seabeyond]

78. rmember before all this, tenet was pissed about

the plame thing. that all seemed to fizzle about the time he stood behind powell at u.n.

[TahitiNut]

47. "senior administration official" NOT= "senior White House official"

Colin Powell? Hadley? (Condi Rice was a "White House official" at the time.)

[insane_cratic_gal]

56. Ari could be a SAO

Hadley is Condi's SAO.

In this case Rove would be one.. though this seems to be a "new" player.

At this rate and the way this administration plays any one could be SAO, it's just another mask to hide behind and way to keep the lid clamped down.

[calimary]

71. Wasn't it John Dean who specified that a "senior administration official"

usually denotes someone Cabinet-level or above. I think it was John Dean who said that.

[TahitiNut]

90. That's my recollection. That's what I was thinking of when I posted this.

Now, that's not to say that Woodward & Cheney aren't using the more vague term. In fact, it could be argued that Cheney isn't a "White House official." (I don't argue that one either way.)

[DoYouEverWonder]

107. Correct, Cheney would not be called a WH Official

because the VP usually doesn't work in the WH. They have their own offices and staff outside of the WH.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

48. Here's the link to the WP story!!!!!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501857.html?nav=rss_politics/administration

[Bluebear]

49. Woodward: Fitzgerald "junkyard dog", investigation "laughable"

Woodward, who is preparing a third book on the Bush administration, has called Fitzgerald "a junkyard-dog prosecutor" who turns over every rock looking for evidence. The night before Fitzgerald announced Libby's indictment, Woodward said he did not see evidence of criminal intent or of a substantial crime behind the leak.

"When the story comes out, I'm quite confident we're going to find out that it started kind of as gossip, as chatter," he told CNN's Larry King.

Woodward also said in interviews this summer and fall that the damage done by Plame's name being revealed in the media was "quite minimal."

"When I think all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable because the consequences are not that great," he told National Public Radio this summer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501857_2.html?nav=rss_politics/administration

[Catherine Vincent]

54. Put it in LBN.

I hope Fitzgerald is getting hotter toward the Rove indictment!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

58. Too late it's already done.

[capi888]

51. Link To Washinton Post Article

Read the whole article here.

http://tinyurl.com/ds853

[Captain Hilts]

52. Woodward is a hypocritical tool. Commenting on the issue without...

disclosing his role in it.

He's a 'ho.

[WiseButAngrySara]

88. I agree. But this makes Russert a HO HO HO HO HO HO HO HO

Merry Fitzmas, I HOpe!

[Captain Hilts]

89. Everyone knows Russert was involved. He admitted it.

And, evidently, his testimony is what really nailed Libby. What I've read implies that Russert had hard evidence that Libby spoke to him and discussed Plame.

[WiseButAngrySara]

97. I agree. I think that it was unethical though, prior to the time that

Russert confessed that he was involved in the PlameGate Affair, to be continuously opining on it and covering it when he should have recused himself, as he could not have possibly been objective.

[Tennessee Gal]

57. Why didn't Woodward go to Fitzgerald a long time ago?

What the hell is he up to?

And who is the "senior administration official" - Cheney?

[buddysmellgood]

60. Woodward is not cleared to get that kind of info. Doesn't this mean that

we have one more person to indict for leaking classified info to a reporter?

[Tennessee Gal]

61. Yes, because Novak said he had two sources and .......

he used that same phrase. "senior administration officials"

[buddysmellgood]

67. So Woodward and Novak worked with Fitzgerald. But Judy wouldn't and so

did time.

[Zen Democrat]

69. Woodward conveniently stated he didn't think it was classified.

The interesting part to me is that Woodward's source turned him in to Fitzgerald on November 3. Rove's spokeman categorically stated that Rove wasn't Woodward's source. And it wasn't Libby.

George W. Bush?
Dick Cheney?
Colin Powell?
Andy Card?
Ari Fleischer?
Condi Rice?

Whoever it was went to Fitzgerald about this in an effort to help Libby. And whoever did this on November 3, whichever Senior White House Official it was, went back the week after the Libby indictment. He/She surely must have been on record with Fitzgerald before that and hadn't mentioned it before.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

73. I think it was Bush. Not willing to bet anything on it, but I have a

suspicion.

[Tennessee Gal]

76. That is troubling.

Woodward's source apparently feels free of prosecution for any wrong or he would not have told Fitzgerald about Woodward.

So, could this mean that there is no underlying crime? No outing of a CIA agent? How could that be?

[WiseButAngrySara]

91. Would it be sweet justice if it was "Slam Dunk" Tenet himself? ....n/t

[Athame]

87. Just to clarify

Libby was not indicted for leaking classified information to a reporter. He was indicted for obstruction of justice, perjury, and false statements. Are you referring to the fact that at least two people still need to be indicted for leaking classified info?

[iamtechus]

62. Just more republican parlor games --

he said, she said but he didn't use her real name etc.

[Catherine Vincent]

63. This sounds troubling:

"Downie said he could not explain why Woodward provided a tip about Wilson's wife to Walter Pincus, a Post reporter writing about the subject, but did not pursue the matter when the CIA leak investigation began."

[Zen Democrat]

79. And Pincus denies that Woodard told him this before October 2003.

[seabeyond]

81. russert denies libby told him. a pattern n/t

[Zen Democrat]

95. No, I believe Pincus. Woodward's trying to cover his ass with the WP.

For not disclosing his involvement while he was writing and talking about this -- disparagingly -- for the last two years. So he says, oh yeah, I did tell Pincus. And Pincus says, basically, "the hell you did". Pincus has testified that he got info from the White House that summer, so he should definitely remember if Woodward told him that he knew it also.

Yeah, old Bob Woodward has come full circle after all these years. He's reaped the glory of Watergate leaving Carl Bernstein in the background -- all because of Deep Throat. When in fact, Bernstein did most of the leg work and running down sources and stories, and almost all of the writing -- it's all laid out in All The President's Men.

[Armstead]

70. It's probably NOT Cheney based on something else Woodward said

A couple of months ago on Chris Matthews weekly show, when Tweety asked the panel membrs for predictions, Woodward said he believes the GOP nominee in 08 will be Dick Cheney.

My hunch is that he wouldn;t have said that if he knew that Cheney had been skirting with scandal by being the Palme leaker.

Just a guess -- and the more I see of this crew the more baffling they are. But just some fodder for the mill.

[Zen Democrat]

80. Hmmm. Well, I think that indicates that it may well be Uncle Dick.

Woodward giving tips about the Veep being the 2008 nominee, all the while he's saying that Plame is much ado about nothing. I see a possible tie-in.

[seabeyond]

82. people dont like and wont vote cheney. i prefer bush having another

bad day, lol lol oh please, please. if he is just talking to mama laura condi and karen, geez if this would take off, who knows how far he will sink

[calimary]

84. But yo have to remember these "people" - I happen to think they're

all bordering on sub-human by now - have spent the last five years being so frickin' ARROGANT that they became extremely accustomed to getting away with fill-in-the-blank-here. Anything. Didn't matter. WHATEVER they said would work because they were golden. Basking in the post 9/11 glow where they'd scared most of America stupid and thus got them to bow all the way down to the ground with their eyes shut and their ears plugged.

When that kind of shit is workin' for ya for a considerable length of time, you start getting really comfy with it. And if it keeps working, you get a little MORE comfy with it. And so forth and so on. Until enough time, and skulduggery, has gone by that you start assuming you're invincible. It's been working so long that, well, this is simply how it is. "It" Just Works for us - WHATEVER "it" is. That's when they get sloppy. They prance around for the longest time, unchallenged and nervy as hell, assuming it's just always going to work and that they'll just keep getting it, but something (like maybe Cindy Sheehan and Katrina) happens to unravel the illusion of invincibility. And the press starts to get a little more nosey... But old habits are HARD to break, especially at this level. When you think you're anointed by God, and that you create your OWN reality that those of us pathetic little mortals in the "reality-based community" simply are left to stop and study and marvel at - when THAT all starts to happen, you are UNPREPARED to cope with what comes next.

They kept doing it because they could. Just like Clinton admitted that he kept doing Monica simply because he could. Same thing for the bushies. It's because they COULD. They have been able to get away with everything, including treason and mass murder, absolutely UNQUESTIONED, up til now. And now EVERYTHING is coming up like some sort of karmic acid reflux disease, and because they've learned only one trick - proceeding anyway, assuming they'll just get away with this, too - they're UNEQUIPPED and UNPREPARED to meet the challenges of THIS NEW REALITY.

We all live in it, so we are. He can't. Nor can rove or any of the rest of 'em. And certainly not somebody like bob woodward, who because of his book-writing access to the bush holy-of-holies probably flattered himself into thinking he was such an insider with these people that their cloak of invincibility fell upon his shoulders, too (well, that's how big it was, after all, 'eh?). And he's wrong. And they're wrong. And reality bites.

[LunaC]

99. Ab-so-fuckin‘-lutely!

They’re in DENIAL that this is going to bite them in the ass and lead to their ultimate downfall. When you’re THAT smug and arrogant, you never even see it coming .

Woodward has yet to realize that they used him to push their B.S……that he was just a pawn and not the “insider” they made him think he was. They played on his ego to suck him in to unwittingly do their dirty work. I don’t think he personally heard Tenet say “slam dunk” but played it off as he did after someone replayed the supposed comment to him. The intention was to bolster the public’s belief in their Big Lie. It was a calculated move on their part.

He was told about Plame in the hopes that he’d have loose lips and pass it along on their behalf, saving them direct involvement. Woodward the Chump thinks it was just a game of “gossip” and “chatter” and he hasn’t come to the realization that he was nothing more than a well-placed and strategic Media Propaganda Tool for them.

Whoever told him Tenet’s comment and Plame’s identity also told him there was “minimal” damage done to the CIA to defuse public criticism and create a pre-emptive Talking Point. He was their Puppet every step of the way.

I think Rove is the “original unnamed source” that alerted Fitzgerald that Woodward played a role in the leak. Rove’s giving up info as part of his plea bargain in exchange for a reduced sentence when Fitz wraps it all up and indicts a shitload of Admin officials.

I just can’t wait to find out who’s the “third unnamed source” Woodward testified about.

[Swamp Rat]

101. ChumP in the water...

:D

[loudsue]

94. Dick MAY be the "nominee" in 2008. Why? Martial Law, for starters.

Remember General Franks saying that we would be "ready" for a military government soon? He said it a couple of years ago.

I think the neocons aren't quite through yet, and with their backs up against the wall, they get even meaner.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Marr]

104. I'd actually say it suggests the opposite.

After all, Woodward was also saying that there was 'obviously no crime committed' in the leaking of Plame's name, and that no one did anything wrong- and the whole time that whoring bastard was in on it. Didn't disclose his involvement in interviews or articles, of course- but there it is.

That flat denial of reality in favor of it's exact opposite certainly seems to fit in with his suggestion that Cheney would be the next GOP presidential nominee. I mean- does *anyone* else think Cheney would be the nominee? Even Sean Hannity doesn't seem to think so.

[beltanefauve]

105. Hardly nominee material

with a 19% approval rating.

[FreedomAngel82]

77. Oh wow

Is that true? This would explain how Woodword has been acting with the Bush regime. Mike Malloy is talking about this now!

[seabeyond]

83. wrong thread, lol n/t

[hopeisaplace]

85. I'de like to feel confident about US Elections

again...wish they'de blow the lid of that puppy

*this is my grown-up Christmas wish*

[upi402]

86. Woodwards whereabouts a month ago -prime

Was he talking to WH associates or others prior to telling his editor?
Seems as important as details around the Plame 'mention'.

[Octafish]

92. Woodward is "ex" ONI.

The guy's a spook from the old school. Nixon became the Cabal's target when he made detente with the Soviets and tried to make peace with the ChiComs. That was bad for business and so they threw some business down Deep Throat to Woodward's way.

With Treasongate, the idea was to protect the Cabal -- the Outfit -- the War Party -- that makes money off of permawar. So, into the breach stepped Woodward. Again.

[WiseButAngrySara]

98. Damn I think you're right. It's the only way to make sense of all of this

n/t

[Media_Lies_Daily]

102. Yalie, member of a secret society, Naval ROTC,....

...and a Pentagon briefing officer before "departing" from the military to break the Watergate story as a journalist 1.5 years later.

[WiseButAngrySara]

108. Maybe he really has been an undercover CIA agent all these years? To

think that I viewed him as a true legitimate hero!

[gasperc]

93. what, Cheney told Woodward about Plame

and Bush is in China so that Cheney could get 86'd while Bush is outta town?

who'd a thunk it?

[karlrschneider]

109. Is it safe to get some sleep NOW, 13 hours later?

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

110. you...... are funny. wink n/t