SVU is now a right wing slime show.

[aquart]

Too damn bad. I like the cast.

But Dean Cain is playing a triple rapist who is insisting a feeding tube be removed from his brain-dead wife, against the wishes of her mother.

Disgusting.

[nickinSTL]

1. It didn't used to be, I don't think...

maybe Fred Thompson is getting to put his spin into the show more. :puke:

[ikojo]

29. Munch was hardly right wing but I don't

know how big a role his character has in the current season. In the earlier seasons he would mention attending a Chomsky lecture. But it is true that most American cop shows take the side of law enforcement and the ruling class.

[stillcool]

2. Those shows have lost their appeal

for me...can't say why...i still watch the re-runs though.

[High Plains]

3. SVU and the others are all right-wing shows all the time...

...a constant drum beat of police and scum, police and scum, police and scum.

No wonder we're such an authoritarian and fearful culture.

[William Bloode]

6. Thats what i always thought.

I also thought most of the detectives were as sick as the people they caught. Ever notice how the justify violating people rights all the time, but it's ok because these people are slime.

Horrible tacky show that plays to the lowest emotions.

[omega minimo]

9. Like COPS?

"Ever notice how the justify violating people rights all the time, but it's ok because these people are slime."

:evilfrown:

[omega minimo]

4. Glamorizing sexualized violence is always slime-- RW or otherwise

#3 Jinx!

[WinkyDink]

7. ITA.

L&O went the "more is more" route, maybe because of CSI, I don't know. But both the description and the depiction of victims have gotten more graphic.

[omega minimo]

8. & the commercials drive the vile descriptions into the brains

of everyone watching any other show-- including kids-- really fast, really sick.

:puke:

[erpowers]

27. No Glamorizing

The show never glamorized sexualized violence. The show never tried to say that sexual violence was a good or cool thing. It seems to me that they glamorized or tried to make the police that deal with these case look good. It is a show tried that put police, espically those that that work in this unit, in a good light.

[omega minimo]

35. DU needs a crash course in Media and/or Women's Studies

Maybe a Research Forum thread

[mitchtv]

5. Dean Cain, who attended the RNC in '04

Won't Elliot ignore his civil reights, and insult him the roughm'up?

[FreedomAngel82]

19. I didn't know that about him and the RNC

I thought tonight's episode wasn't too bad. I didn't like when that one cop guy (I can't remember his name) compared it to Hitler and all that. Rightwing talking point there. I used to love Dean Cain on "Lois & Clark." I think he did okay in this episode. He did make me not like him at all and want to scream and shout at my tv for how he treated that girl. I thought they could've done a lot more with the story. It seemed to me they wraped it up really quickly.

[ComerPerro]

33. Dean Cain is a Republican? But at least Superman wasn't.

Can you imagine? If Clark Kent were a talibornagain Bushbot?

The day he discovered his powers, he would have started robbing banks and killing people.

[Voltaire99]

10. Try HBO instead...

...the grown-up network.

[Telly Savalas]

11. Isn't "The Wire" Season 4 supposed to start in a few months?

A far superior show.

[Mr Rabble]

18. The Wire is slated for summer 2006.

Hands down the best show I have ever seen.

[nemo137]

12. OT, but didn't he also play whatsisname, who war convicted of kiling his

wife? Peterson or something like that? Poor boy went from being Superman to typecast as a murderer.

[Hippo_Tron]

13. You are reading too much into it

If it was right wing propaganda they would be trying to convince Americans to resonate with an issue that is actually being debated. Almost 90% of Americans said that congress intervening with the Terri Schiavo case was wrong. An episode of SVU isn't going to make public opinion suddenly shift in favor of the Republicans on the Terri Schiavo issue. Nothing short of Terri Schiavo rising from the dead would change public opinion in favor of the Republicans on the Terri Schiavo issue. The reason that they are doing it is because of the "the imitating real life makes good drama effect".

NOW...

Say perhaps a triple rapist was forcing his pregnant wife to have a late-term abortion against her will. You might have a case there.

[omega minimo]

14. Sexual subjugation of women IS "an issue that is actually being debated"

'If it was right wing propaganda they would be trying to convince Americans to resonate with an issue that is actually being debated."

[Hippo_Tron]

15. I don't get what you are saying

I don't see politicians debating whether women should be sexually dominated by men or not. And the issue that I was referring to and I think the OP was as well, was the Terri Schiavo issue.

[omega minimo]

16. Right to privacy and reproductive health is being debated by politicians

"Sexual subjugation of women IS "an issue that is actually being debated" "

[Hippo_Tron]

17. Okay but how is this about episode about reproductive health?

It's about a feeding tube according to the OP.

[omega minimo]

20. You are reading too little into it

or are you kidding? :shrug:

"It's about a feeding tube according to the OP."

The OP says:

"SVU is now a right wing slime show.
Too damn bad. I like the cast.
But Dean Cain is playing a triple rapist who is insisting a feeding tube be removed from his brain-dead wife, against the wishes of her mother. Disgusting."

The story is more than "about a feeding tube."

And the SHOW the OP was about is all about the sexual subjugation of women. Which is relevant to political issues of the day. Which resonate with people. Some people.

[Hippo_Tron]

24. Okay to say that I am reading too little into it is fair

But frankly "Insisting that a feeding tube be removed from his brain-dead wife, against the wishes of her mother" to me reads TERRI SCHIAVO not REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. I do however agree with you on the right to privacy one because they are both related to privacy rights.

And yes, the show is about the sexual subjugation of women, but I didn't think we were talking about the nature of the show in general. I thought we were talking about the show using real world events to spread right wing propaganda.

What I assumed that the OP was about was that this episode of SVU is trying to re-frame the Terri Schiavo issue in a light that is favorable to the position taken by the Republicans in order to sway public opinion to the Republican side of the issue. I am arguing that, that is not the case.

[WernhamHogg]

21. Thanks for the heads up...

I watched the show anyway... :puke:

I remember seeing some repukes on a message board bitching about one of the Law & Orders being some kind of "lefty" show. IIRC, one of the characters on L&O: CI made a crack regarding DeLay and his thinly veiled threat to judges.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. I only watch SUV

so I think they go on whatever will make a good show. :shrug: I don't know much about the show since I just recently started watching it.

[omega minimo]

23. Glamorizing sexualized violence is always slime-- RW or otherwise

"Special Victims"?! :puke:

[Moosepoop]

28. The show didn't make that title up.

"Special Victims" units, or squads, are indeed a part of the police department in NYC, as well as in many other cities. The term is real, not made up for TV.

[omega minimo]

31. Right-- they used it to sell glamorized sexual violence on TV

:hi:

Riddle me this:

Is the Unit "Special" or the Victims "Special"?

[Hippo_Tron]

25. Aquart please clear up a dispute I am having with Omega

Are you or are you not talking about how this particular episode of SVU happened to be portraying an incident similar to the Terri Schiavo case?

[aquart]

26. Exactly. They made the husband a rapist.

I really don't know what happened after that. When I saw where it was going my head pretty much exploded.

[omega minimo]

30. "Dispute" or discuss?

Is there only one "right" way to "assume" the OP and that's the end of it? Okay.

Neverless, there is a connection b/w all the issues mentioned.

btw-- your posts negelected to mention that the husband was a "triple rapist" whatever that is.

"It's about a feeding tube according to the OP."

[Hippo_Tron]

36. Eh yea, I more or less get what you are saying now

I think it was about 2 am or so my time when we were arguing this last night and I'm not always at my best that late at night.

[noonwitch]

32. It was a poorly written episode

They tried to cram too much into one hour. The first half hour, exploring the rapist and his girlfriend's relationship, was good because that is the typical subject matter for this show.

Once they got to the brain-damage and all that, it was not interesting. I hate it when tv dramas or comedies preach to me, whether it's a view I agree with or not. "Very Special Episodes" scare me away, even those with liberal messages.

[shrike]

34. That actually could be an interesting storyline

If it were done right: the triple rapist trying to do the 'right thing' for once in his life, the grieving mother acting for misguided or selfish reasons. A look at the complexity of human nature ...

But that's be asking too much of network television. I like SVU, BTW, and Criminal Intent. Watch both fairly regularly. Liked Trial by Jury, too, though that's flown the coop. The original L&O ran out of steam for me awhile ago, although I do check in with it in case there's an interesting episode.

BTW, I know quite a few cops, and they're not all as right-wing as you think. One very bluntly told me awhile ago that the U.S. has messed up the War on Drugs so bad -- we're putting the wrong people in jail, he says; instead of mandatory jail time there should be mandatory treatment. And the National Association of Police Chiefs endorsed Clinton twice.