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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:22 PM
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I'm not too political savvy -- Is Bush's administration the most corrupt?
I know Nixon's was supposed to be pretty pathetic especially with the erasure of the JFK 18 minutes episode.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:23 PM
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1. I think it is.
The starting of a war for profit makes his administration the worst.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:23 PM
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2. YES!! SIMPLE Answer..YES! N/T
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:23 PM
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3. Warren G. Harding
Was one of the worst. I bet U.S. Grant took bribes in addition to being a lousy president. Andrew Jackson was no angel.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:24 PM
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8. Yes.
Shrub is the worst only because of what's at stake these days. The human population could literally go extinct because of over-population, over-development, pollution, and global warming.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:36 PM
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15. Was reading some Vidal and he thinks not...
... about Harding. Harding was just a little slow-witted, and there weren't all that many people in his administration who went to jail over Teapot Dome.

McKinley was another matter--his association with Ohio Sen. Mark Hanna (Rove's idol) was greatly corrupt--Hanna was known for passing out cash on the Senate floor to other senators.

Nixon was as bad, but in different ways--power was more important to him than money.

Bush takes the cake, though--because his administration is after both power and money. The highway robbery that's been going on in Iraq will eventually go down in history as perhaps the single biggest theft of the public trust ever. Combine that with his overweening need for secrecy and authoritarian government, and his legacy is toast. Burnt toast.

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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:50 PM
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21. The bittersweet thing about it
Is the Bush Admin. is screwing up, no matter what they do. At least the Dems are finally calling them on it, relentlessly.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:23 PM
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4. Certainly the most corrupt of the nuclear age
Didn't matter so much before, but when the US has the power to wipe humanity off the face of the earth, several times over. It's scary :scared:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:24 PM
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5. Well,
Harding was bad, Taft was bad, and Grant was bad, but Bush** is worse.
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vespucci Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:28 PM
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9. Bush is worse than
Bill Clinton...even though Clinton's impeachment was not endorsed
by the entire Senate.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:35 PM
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14. What makes you think that Bill Clinton was corrupt?
Lying about sex is not at all like cronyism, major financial corruption, money laundering, bribery, robbing the taxpayers, etc.
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vespucci Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:43 PM
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18. Clinton filed a false deposition
and his license to practice law was taken away.....we love
our Bill...but Louie Freeh said the FBI followed him more than
the bad guys, and on Clinton's watch we lost the House and Senate,
remember?
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:18 PM
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26. That's not corruption...
just a really stupid lie. Louis Freeh (R-FBI)cared much more about sniffing Bill's underwear than he did about protecting us from terrorists.
Again, in what way was Bill Clinton corrupt?
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:24 PM
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6. the most corrupt I know of
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:24 PM
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7. Probably a distant 2nd to Reagan.
There were 238 convictions from the Reagan Admin (IIRC). But hey, Bush has 3 more years.
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i_c_a_White_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:31 PM
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11. thats because bush can hide behind the repuke congress
who covers his back and hinders all investigations.

If the Dems controlled the senate they'd all be in Jail
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:29 PM
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10. Yes, I believe it is
As far as I can tell, all other administrations in our history had at least a modicum of morals.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:33 PM
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12. What?
What's the JFK 18 minute episode?
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:20 PM
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28. I think the poster may have an 'Oliver Stone' education....
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:33 PM
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13. No. The Reagan administration is still holds that honor.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:37 PM
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16. Back up there a minute
what JFK 18-minute episode are you talking about? I mean I know about 18 minutes being missing from the tape but the assumption was that it made Nixon look like he knew more than he was admitting.

I don't think anybody ever connected Nixon with the JFK murder, that I am aware of. Supposedly it was CIA, when Kennedy was in power. Nixon was the beaten candidate, trying to be governor of CA.

Now, is this the most corrupt government? I guess only time and sunshine will tell the truth. But the nature of power is corruption, in my opinion.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:43 PM
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19. Yeppers, almost all politicos are crooks. Millionaires from making
$70k a year? If you're not a millionaire when you come in, you are when you get out. How do they pull that off? Hmmmm.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:47 PM
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20. Yeah, even
Clinton has done pretty darned well. (and I love the big Dawg!)
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 03:43 PM
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17. Clinton is impeached for lying about sex? and Bush skates for a false war?
where's the logic?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:00 PM
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22. A tie between Raygun and Shrub
With Dick Nixon comin' a close second.

Scandals abound, seniors and middle class taking it in the yin yang, corporate cronies, shieks and defense contractors making out like bandits, continuous military conflict, shadiness, secrecy . . . and they get AWAY with it. THAT's how they're corrupt. They studied in great detail the mistakes of the Tricky Dick administration so that it wouldn't happen to them.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:09 PM
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23. Let's not forget Poppy, he was no angel, either
Cap Weinberger got his pardon only because he threatened, in mob fashion, to take them all down with him!
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:17 PM
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25. Poppy and others were behind-the-scenesters in both cases.
If the Dumberican people gave B41 a second term, he would almost definitely have hit the top of this list; we should expect nothing less from a former Spook who did everything under a cloak.

His term was an unsuccessful pile of shite because back then, the prevention of two guys getting married was somehow NOT as important than nobody being able to get a damned job or, in turn, afford anything. My, how times have changed.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:12 PM
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24. WORST consequences from their corruption and incompetence
Both domestically and in foreign policy. WORST!!!
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:19 PM
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27. Grant and Harding were very corrupt
as was Hayes, IIRC. Reagan set some sort of record for indicted officials, but in the long run ChimpCo will make them all look like pikers. This misadministration represents corruption on the grandest scale imaginable short or Marcos or Baby Doc.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:22 PM
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29. The 18 minute erasure had nothing to do with JFK...
at least as far as we know.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:31 PM
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30. I think so.
The Republican Party has gone so far beyond the pale at this point that they actually depend upon lies, exaggeration, election tampering, false intelligence and terror warnings, and cover-up to achieve their questionable goals and to protect their past indiscretions.

None of that is seriously in dispute at this point.

What is in dispute is a lot worse. It's not corruption. It's murder, and things worse than that.

It looks like Jack Abramoff was managing a giant slush fund for the GOP. It looks like the September 11 terrorists showed up on Abramoff's boat before the attacks, and it's possible that Jack warned the White House in advance. Or worse, perhaps the attacks may have been planned in advance with GOP assistance. The attacks themselves managed to take out two American counterintelligence operations, the DoD's folks in the Pentagon and the CIA office in WTC-7, which somehow fell down without being hit. That in turn allowed PNAC members to create their own human intelligence operations which will forever be loyal only to the Republican Party. Later, the Bush Administration wiped out the counterproliferation wing of the CIA by outing Valerie Wilson. And those anthrax letters fit perfectly into the GOP agenda of allowing the federal government to more closely monitor its own citizens.

The future will decide, but I think it's pretty clear already: if America isn't dead already, it's damned close, killed in five short years of looting and neglect. We shall suffer the rest of our lives for George W. Bush, the Worst. President. Ever.
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