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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:41 PM
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Iraq vote says it's Bush's way or the highway
Edited on Tue Nov-15-05 02:21 PM by ProSense
Today, the Senate voted on two Amendments---with 40 senators supporting one and 79 Senators supporting the other. I guess the one that got the most votes is the right way or a start, as the the media pundits will surely say.

Wrong. What's the timetable for withdrawal, even a draw down of troops? What's the strategy. The Warner amendment basically gives Bush more time to try to find a way to make his FAILED strategy work.

By voting for both Amendments, 21 Senators are indicating that they either believe the Warner Amendment doesn't go far enough or that it's a start.

So what happened today was that 19 Senators voted to either hold the Bush Administration accountable by calling for a change in course and a timetable, or to stay the course or to send in more troops.

Calling for a change in course and a timetable -- Only four Senators voted for the Levin Amendment and against the Warner Amendment:


Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)


Stay the course or to send in more troops -- The other 14 include McCain, who is advocating increasing the number of troops in Iraq:

Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Conrad (D-ND)
DeMint (R-SC)
Graham (R-SC)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
McCain (R-AZ)
Sessions (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)


Warner:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00323

Levin:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00322


Bush sets low standards and forces everyone else to accept them as the best we can do.

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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:46 PM
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1. Wow - my NC R actually did something? Things must be bad
for him to actually go against Our Glorious Leader.

Damn, guess I need to call his office and give him a little positive reinforsement - ick.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:47 PM
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3. If it is Burr, he did nothing
He voted against all forms of accountability.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:53 PM
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7. Thanks, just realized I mis read that - should have known he'd
never do the right thing - only the 'right' thing
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:46 PM
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2. Careful. most of the Repubs voting against the Warner amdt
want NO accountability at all.

The four dems who voted for Levin and against Warner refused to vote for an amendment that did not call for Bush to say he will not occupy Iraq INDEFINITIVELY.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:50 PM
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5. Yeah, but maybe like McCain they want more war.
Edited on Tue Nov-15-05 01:53 PM by ProSense
He voted against both.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:52 PM
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6. Yeah, but the Warner amendment did not require less troops.
The only thing it required was some level of accountability.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:55 PM
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8. The distinction from the OP is that Levin's
calls for a change in strategy and a timetable.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 02:19 PM
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10. I made another edit to the OP
Not all 19 senators who voted against the Warner Amendment want Bush to change course.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:48 PM
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4. It's a step in the right direction
But a baby step before the mile makes it arguable it was worth anything.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 02:01 PM
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9. The way Bush is going, it's take forever to complete that mile.
Giving him all the time in the world to continue along this path makes no sense.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 04:58 PM
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11. I love the way Senator Reid framed the issue: Democrats forced

Republicans to admit that “staying the course” is not an option.

I was suggesting a stance that might be harder to convey to the public that it's not just about backing them down it's about implementing a solution. But I'll watch the Republican spin machine---the media.

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