what would it take to fracture dubya's 35% of immovable supporters?

[mopaul]

you know, the ones who'll support him NO MATTER WHAT--what could possibly turn them around?

[Ravenseye]

1. Video of him having sex with an underage black prostitute

That would probably crack that...take his numbers down to maybe 30%

[Punkingal]

4. A male prostitiute...

Remember how homophobic those freaks are!

[etherealtruth]

22. A male ...

...Labrador retriever prostitute.


The RW is inordinately focused on bestiality.

[cantstandbush]

39. A DRAFT!!! n/t

[Crankie Avalon]

2. His being a spouse in a gay marriage, maybe?

:shrug:

[LSdemocrat]

3. Second coming of Jesus with him saying to fundies: You've got it all wrong

[greekspeak]

12. Rapture...second coming...parousia...the eschaton...

whatever you want to call it, whatever you believe

[holboz]

15. LOL - these people would think Jesus is a crazy hippy

If Jesus came back and went to them seeking food or shelter, most of them wold turn him away or call the cops on him for panhandling. These hardcore fundies don't understand that Jesus was about the golden rule and takinig care of those most vulnerable in our society. The disgusting Freeper posts about the Katrina victims were proof of that. The one about "Let those bleeding heart libruls take care of them" (paraphrased) was particularly disgusting and cold hearted. WWJD indeed!!!!

[peppin]

5. nothing

He could be caught on tape blowing a donkey, and it still wouldn't matter

[MarianJack]

8. He'd Never Blow a Donkey!

It would be an elephant!

BTW, welcome to DU, peppin!

[lpbk2713]

6. It might go down to 25% under extreme conditions but no further.

Even if he mugged Mother Theresa and a troop of Brownies it wouldn't go lower than that. He will always have the backing of the hard core RWers/rethugs and they won't change no matter what.

[LisaLynne]

7. It depends.

I think that group is actually made up of a couple of different groups -- those religious ones who think he is "God's Chosen" and thus perfect, the religious ones who think he is "God's Chosen" but a flawed man and we must put up with his flaws because his is "Chosen", the greedy ones at the top who know this guy will support corporate interests and their money over every other concern, those who don't have as much but who think one day they will be one of the "have mores", and those who are still fooled by his "tough guy" act.

Each group, I think, can be penetrated, except for perhaps the actual "have mores". However, I think the real problem is that people hate to admit they were wrong or have been fooled by someone. It's easier to just go along with the opinions you've always had. Trying to change is a hard thing for some people. Some of these people just don't have the time to get the information they need to change their minds. Also, some of these people, from each group, actually want things to keep going the way they are. Those are the ones that I think can't be reached.

[blueknight]

9. you must understand.

most of these hare core gop'ers have a mental illness.

[WernhamHogg]

32. Being

Being a hard core GOP'er IS a mental illness...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. I like this analysis. I think his # will go down to the high 20s myself

The splintering of his core supporters is inevitable, because of the very different agendas that they have.

The Neocons
The Fundies
The true Conservatives
The stupids

Once you realize that each of those groups is distinct and supports conflicting goals as compared to one another, trouble is not only possible, but almost certain.

You cannot support a bogus tax cut and moderate and poor services cut(neocons) and still hold the Conservatives' support. The true conservatives joined with the moderates and told Bush his budget was all wet. The True Conservatives also view Iraq as a major blunder, whereas the Neocons think of it as a good start.

The Fundies want a serious change in church-state issues; the Conservatives think that is pure nuts.

And of course, we have the stupids. Exemplified by certain NASCAR racers who celebrate victories by speeding, dissing cops and driving drunk, this rock-headed core of Bushistas can be weened away, but only when some one reads the news from a serious paper to them. Once they realize that smarty pants, silk-suited, college-ejukated, smart boys lied to them, they will turn on them faster than a pack of coyotes on a wounded deer.

[Arkansas Granny]

24. I think your assessment that people hate to admit they were wrong

is probably closest to the truth. It reminds me of an abusive relationship where, no matter what the abusive partner does, the abused partner still pretends that the abuse is just an anomaly and sooner or later things will be just fine. It takes something really severe to shake that kind of blind acceptance of someone's faults.

[mopaul]

30. i hated admitting that clinton had lied

i believed him for weeks, but when he confessed i was dissappointed in him, even though the lie amounted to nothing.

but to forgive bush his war lies? no way i would. would they?

[Arkansas Granny]

33. They have forgiven him for everything else so far. It appears

that they would rather make excuses for him than to face the truth.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. Not anything I can think off

These people become fixated on a persona and no amount of reason or fact is going to change them. Best that can happen is that they can be contained.

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[leveymg]

14. Nixon went down to 27%.just before his resignation

That's the floor of hard-core American lunacy. No cracking that solid core without, perhaps, the utter destruction of the United States. Even after that, there would still be 15% who would applaud him for fulfilling some Biblical plan.

[bonzotex]

17. 30% of murricans will believe anything (warning, rude)

I'm going to recycle this from an earlier, similar thread.

Don't underestimate the stupidity and self-delusion of Shrub's "base". Also remember there is literally an industry dedicated to cheerleading for all Republicans, but especially Bush -- No matter what.

They can rationalize away almost any amount of corruption, death, lying, deficit, and bad policy.

The hard-core Busheviks won't waver as long as they think he is "one of them". That means: homophobic, sexually repressed, religiously hypocritical, racist and sexist. In other words, Bush represents good-ole' traditional conservative family values.

The only way he'll dip below 30% approval is if he gets caught doing something sexually disgusting or religiously incorrect.

If Laura gave Faux News some home video of Chimpy getting ass-fucked by Jimmy-Jeff Gannon/Guckert, while snacking on aborted fetuses, washing it down with straight Jim Beam under a pentagram drawn with Jenna and not-Jenna's menstrual blood on the oval office ceiling, that might shake some of the true believers loose.

Even then, the next day, wingnut pundits, would defend him as just trying to relax from hard day of president'n...his personal life should be off-limits!...decry the "politics of personal destruction"...demand an investigation into how libruls leaked the video...claim that Clinton did worse things...The video is a forgery and even if it's not, which it is, it was just a snapshot in time and doesn't reflect Shrub's true character.

The video is inconclusive that Jimmy-Jeff's dick was actually inserted in Bush's anus, Quite often Bush uses a Staff member's penis or head to clean his anus as hygiene measure and there is nothing sexual about that. Even if the video was real, which it's not.

Despite the claims of the so-called "alternative press" that copious quantities of "santorum" are clearly shown on the video leaking from Bush's anus, Senator Santorum was at a fundraiser the day in question and couldn't possibly have been in the oval office.
The bloody fetuses could have been from any animal and not necessary humans and anonymous administration sources say that there is reason to suspect radical animal rights activist are involved. In any case, eating fetuses whether human or otherwise is not technically illegal even if Bush was eating them, which he wasn't.

Bloody pentagrams are not necessarily Satanistic, but rather associated with a number of religious traditions. It's well know that Prezinent Bush is a uniter, not a divider and there is always room in the Republican party for people of all religious persuasions.
Bush's positioning buns up on the desk made the Pentagram above him "right-side-up" making it not a Satanistic symbol at all, even if the video is not a forgery, which is is.

Despite Laura's voice-over commentary on the tape, she doesn't appear on the tape so speculation that she shot the tape is baseless librul fantasizing. The two giggling drunken girls playing tic-tac-toe on the walls with their bloody fingers may look like Jenna and not-Jenna, but we have no evidence that they know how play tic- tac-toe, even if the video is real, which it isn't.

Bush promised to bring dignity and integrity back to the White House and the laughter, cursing, and furniture smashing on the video are inconsistent with tone he set for his family and staff, thus proving the tape is a forgery. Besides, this is nothing compared to the willful destruction of Government property by the outgoing Clinton administration.

It's well know that Dubya likes to drink sweet iced tea from Jim Beam bottles and prefers to throw the empties from his limo at homeless, lazy libruls. Claims by lawmakers that they have been hit by Jim Beam bottles thrown from Bush's limo are further proof He definitely doesn't smash them in the fireplace as shown in the obviously fraudulent video.

Scotty McClellan would remind the press gaggle that Bush's stance on anal sex and fetus consumption are well known and he won't comment on an ongoing investigation...Further speculation will just embolden he terrorists, discourage our troops, increase the number of abortions and encourage gays to marry.

Senator Harry Reid would be giving a statement as soon as he is released from the hospital after being hit in the head by a Jim Beam bottle tossed out of a Limo in the President's passing motorcade.

Senator Bill Frist would point out that Democrats repeated inability to avoid whiskey bottles tossed from limos is evidence that they are unfit to govern and can only criticize rather than propose solutions.

Rush Limbaugh would remind listeners of Bush's brilliant strategy to co-opt the librul agenda of incest, drunkeness, homo-ass-sex, and Satanism. "What Bush did was no more serious than a fraternity prank! These tax and spend libruls want to use this video to take your tax dollars so that lazy welfare mothers can video incest, drunkeness, homo-ass-sex, and Satanism in their own homes! I've told you before people, if the Democrats accuse the republicans of doing something bad, you can bet it's what the Democrats are doing themselves!"

Then you might see Bush's approval drop to say, 25-28% with a margin of error of 3%. Except for Fox and Rassmussen which have him at 30% and 29% respectively. Sean Hannity would point to the higher Fox poll numbers and predict Bush is on the rebound and despite recent librul attempt to criminalize conservative politics, the American people strongly support Bush's planned cuts in social services and generous tax cuts to the wealthy.

[mopaul]

19. whew! maybe hbo could make it into a series!

[bonzotex]

31. I'd watch

Oh BTW mopaul, love your artwork, You rock!

[whatever4]

18. sex

because it sure isn't lies or video tape

[iconoclastNYC]

20. Jeff Gannon's stained blue jockstrap.

[mopaul]

23. he loses it and says 'fuck you' to a reporter with guts

one good fuck you would do it i think

[iconoclastNYC]

29. That's why why he only...

Has two press conferences a year?

[brokensymmetry]

21. Economic disaster. Which is coming.

Seriously.

Enjoy the low gas prices and relatively low food prices. I strongly suspect changes. They aren't really *'s fault - but failing to prepare for them and to mitigate the results is and will be.

[mopaul]

25. it's going to be a rough winter

the winter of w's discontent

[converted_democrat]

26. First step is making them get their news from a source that isn't

screaming from a pulpit. Until we can figure out how to do this our party is going to have a problem. Taxing churches would alienate far too many people, so that really isn't the best option. I hate to say it, but someone in our party needs to start an outreach program of some sort, to try and get to these people. They don't watch the news, unless you consider the 700 Club a news source. If we could get to just 10% of them it would be more than enough to upset the stranglehold they currently have.

[kurth]

28. Lobotomy, followed by enema

[SledDriver]

34. DRAFT THEM !!!

eom

[mopaul]

35. no shit

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. Yep! That'll do it!

[Zynx]

36. Having sex with a young boy while chanting satanic rituals.

That and with the backdrop of a burning American flag. Now to scare off his rich-bastard supporters, following those actions he could decalre all industries nationalized and a maximum salary for executives of $75,000 a year. These actions taken together would knock him down to, perhaps, 29%.

[dogfacedboy]

37. His next great big stupid mistake. n/t

[antigop]

40. Hoover still got 40% of the vote in 1932

http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/national.php?year=1932

[porphyrian]

41. Accurate polling? - n/t

[laruemtt]

42. if it could be proven

he and laura had an abortion. that would put the little dittoes over the edge.

[leftofthedial]

43. mass executions

or a fatal virus that selectively targets the religiously insane and the super wealthy.

[4 t 4]

44. If He was

caught having sex with a sheep?

[leftofthedial]

45. he could hold a prime time press conference,

swear allegiance to Satan, sodomize a male human infant, and then cook and eat it

and Pat Robertson would be quoting supportive scripture the next day

and Limbaugh would spin it into "strength of character" and remind us how evil Clinton's penis is.