everybody in the whole world thought there were WMD'S...Bullshit

[mopaul]

i never did. and those that did believe it? what do you expect, they were lied to.

this whole war arguement sounds more and more like a 3rd grade school yard debate.

[Swamp Rat]

1. I did

But I thought the WMDs were here in the USA, Russia, Israel, China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea. :shrug:

[mopaul]

2. the term has been used to death

weapons of mass destruction weapons of mass destruction weapons of mass destruction jesus! everybody has weapons that can kill masses of people, they aren't like some new kind of weapon that no one else has for corn's sake.

and we have the most and the baddest wmd's ever, and we've used them.

[mandyky]

3. All their talking points are 3rd grade stuff

I mean what adult, when caught hot handed, says "well so and so did that" and such nonense. Wrong is wrong and is not negated becuz someone else "does it too".

[leftchick]

4. Torie Clark: "Russia, France and Germany all thought they had WMD"

pentagon spokesperson for the ** regime said that yesterday on CNN. No one EVER refutes that. It is patently false at least in regard to the mushroom cloud BS. I remember reading here for months before the invasion how all of those countries were Warning us NOT to go in because.... of the horror of a pandora's box we have today.

[NewJeffCT]

6. No everybody thought Iraq had WMD

see my post below.

Also, Hans Blix would be another.

[julianer]

9. The Downing St Memos

call the intelligence 'thin'.

Thus the UK govt, for one, did not belief Iraq had WMD. This is not surprising since they received all of the Inspectors reports saying that the weapons had been destroyed in the early 90's.

[leftchick]

10. Italian, French and German intel as well...

the bushco** regime ignored them all.

[NewJeffCT]

5. Please do a google search on Mohammed ElBaradei

I have to run & get ready for work now, but if you google ElBaradei (sp?) with WMD & Iraq, you will see that this man, who heads the IAEA and is now a Nobel Peace Prize winner, you will see that he states Iraq has no WMD.

Also, check out Scott Ritter. He was the chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq in the 1990s. He was probably even more emphatic than ElBaradei that Iraq had no WMD.

They are two pretty authoritative figures if you ask me.

[marmar]

7. Never. Never ever.

It was quite obvious to me in 2002 that the PNAC plan to invade Iraq was in place, and they'd do or say whatever they had to in order to carry it out. The minute Bush started his Iraq rhetoric, I knew we were in for a banquet of bullshit.

:yoiks:

[Skittles]

8. I never believed it either, mopaul

not for one second

[B Calm]

11. Even for the ones who believed it, should have known two days

into the war that Iraq didn't have them. Iraq didn't use them against an invading army! Instead these brain dead followers chose to believe an even bigger lie that Saddam moved them and hid them. Now why the hell would he done that? Saving them for a rainy day?

Using common sense is NOT a republican trait!

[mopaul]

12. they could still be there! maybe he buried em' in the sand!

everbody thought they had em', the president wouldn't lie!

[B Calm]

13. saying the president wouldn't lie, is the wilfull ignorance defense..

[tkmorris]

17. But you see, they don't really mean that

They may say that they believed the president, that they thought the president wouldn't just lie, but they don't mean it.

What they are really saying is that when the Presidents approval rating is that high, and the majority of good God-fearin' Muricans want to spill some Ayrab blood, it's a huge political risk to vote against him, and they chickened out. Fact is, voting against any Presidential authority to go after Iraq would likely have cost a few Dems their seats in 04, and they knew that.

I'm not excusing them. There are times you throw your aspirations out the window and do what you know is right, and this certainly should have been one of those times. We need more principled Dems in those seats, plain and simple.

[NewJeffCT]

14. no, no.. didn't you hear

They moved the WMD to Syria!! So, we must invade there next to get them.

[fasttense]

15. I didn't believe that Iraq had WMD until Powell gave his speech to the UN.

I was against the war until I heard Powell. I trusted Powell. I thought he would study the intelligence, ensure he had all the facts, not put his name to a pack of lies. Boy was I fooled. But then so was congress (or at least some in congress). But I know for a fact France didn't believe Iraq had WMDs and Wilson was casting doubt on the whole nuclear weapons issue. I could have gone either way until Powell. I hate that man for abusing my trust in him and letting brush con the U.S. into war.

[mopaul]

16. i never looked up to powell, so i don't feel betrayed

but his sudden bail out from all the chaos did hearten me a bit toward him. maybe he has a soul afterall.

[Kellanved]

18. It has a certain revisionist appeal

Just reading the old headlines paints another picture.


And watch this news report: after the Munich conference Fischer was painted "evil", "dumb", "impertinent", "an ostrich", "a weasel", even by respectable papers like the Washington Posts.
To my knowledge, none of those "journalists" has apologized yet. I'd say "Weasels", if that weren't an insult to weasels.

KWAME HOLMAN: Germany's foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, responded.

JOSCHKA FISCHER ( Translated ): We owe the Americans our democracy. They are very important for stability and peace especially. We Germans would never have been able to free ourselves from the Nazi regime without America. The Americans allowed us to build up our democracy, but in this democracy my generation has learnt... ( in English ) You have to make the case, and to make the case in a democracy, you have to be convinced yourself, and excuse me, I am not convinced. This is my problem and I cannot go to the public and say, "well, let's go to war because there are reasons and so on," and I don't believe in that.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/bg_divisions_2-10.html#

[ComerPerro]

19. Exactly. Wasn't that the plan anyway? Isn't that why they lied?

So now its not their fault?