Teen killer in PA had a blog

[proud2BlibKansan]

Anderson Cooper just talked about this kid's blog and his girlfriend (the daughter of the murdered couple) also had a blog. Anderson said both blog sites indicate these kids were very religious.

Anyone know how to find these blogs? I tried googling both names but came up with nothing.

[fiveleafclover]

1. I heard earlier today it was on MySpace

If that's true, it's probably been taken down.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. But I want to see it!

Damn I always miss out on these things.

[Dunvegan]

3. Seems nobody keeps a paper diary with a little lock anymore...

David Ludwig still has (as of 8:45 p.m. PST, 11/14) a MySpace blog here:

http://www.myspace.com/haydren

His MySpace blog is not restricted for posting, and people are still posting to it.

Here's Ludwig's Xanga blog (lots of pictures of his new computer and his bedroom):

http://www.xanga.com/Haydren

There are 79 pictures of him he posted here:

http://www.picturetrail.com/haydren



And here's Kara Beth's blog at MySpace (her blog requires she register you to post):

http://www.myspace.com/meantxtoxlive

And then, there's this more slowly diabolical case involving a blog and a young girl:

Teen blogged mother's slow poisoning
News.Com.Au in Tokyo
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17135976-2,00.html
November 04, 2005


A JAPANESE high school girl has been arrested for gradually poisoning her mother to the brink of death and keeping a blog of her progress - all done as a grim homage to a serial killer she idolised.
The 16-year-old student is alleged to have laced her mother's food with increasing doses of thallium, a potent rat poison. Her mother is now in a coma and critically ill.

The girl, who is from rural Shizuoka, in central Japan, was apparently inspired by Briton Graham Young, the notorious Teacup Poisoner of Bovingdon who, in 1962, aged 14, slowly killed his stepmother with what was thought to be the same lethal substance.

Asked by the compilers of her school yearbook to identify the historical figure she admired the most, she named Young.



...once upon a time you wrote this stuff in your diary.

It's just now your diary can be read by anyone in the entire world.

(Edited to add second blog.)

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. Wow her picture is all over his blog

And he claims to be in computer sales making over $250K a year.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

4. Bizarre......

....but only because his last entry a few days ago seemed pretty normal for a typical teenage kid.

[beam me up scottie]

5. I know.

I noticed the same thing.

Just a goofy teenager.

How tragic.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. I also see........

...every goofball in the world is flaming the blog and there's some strange song playing by one of these emo bands I don't know.

Ah, the celebrity of the internets.

[beam me up scottie]

12. I know.

I'm surprised they haven't pulled it.

[hallc]

6. he also had a xanga

http://www.xanga.com/haydren

here is kara's xanga
http://www.xanga.com/karebear000

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. whoa check out this in his bio

Expertise:
Computers, volleyball, movies, getting in trouble :-p

[beam me up scottie]

11. So?

Most kids are always getting into trouble of one sort or another.

This is his whole bio:

Interests: Rock climbing, hanging out with friends, computers, movies, swimming, volleyball, dirtbiking, playing cards, eating candy, spending money, traveling, pulling stupid pranks, having soft air gun wars, and various other things.
Expertise: Computers, volleyball, movies, getting in trouble :-p

[hallc]

13. what the hell

are soft air gun wars?

[beam me up scottie]

23. Like paint ball

but they use plastic pellets.

[hallc]

24. gotcha

can't say i have ever heard of it

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. I'd say he's in just a bit of trouble tonight n/t

[Mr_Spock]

16. Can you imagine kids actually knowing they get in trouble?

I can't imagine my kids not getting into trouble - and laughing about it. Hopefully they won't be "real" troublemakers when they are older...

[beam me up scottie]

9. That is so sad.

What the hell happened?

There isn't anything unusual about either of those kids, from what I could see.

They're just kids.

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. Look closer

Pictures of drinking and lots of talk about God and Jesus.

Don't you find that a bit odd? I am a lot older than a teenager, so maybe I just can't relate. But I think they both seem like odd kids.

[hallc]

28. they are really religious

homeschooled from lancaster county usually = mennonite. However, mennonites are pacifists, so that really doesn't say much for their behavior.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. We have a lot of Mennonites here in Kansas

but I thought I had heard they don't own guns.

[hallc]

34. the ones in lancaster do

big hunters

[beam me up scottie]

31. Not around here.

Ever see Equus?

Not that this kid is anything like that one, but God, Guns and Whiskey do go together in this neck of the woods.

I've seen all kinds of things being mixed with faith.

Ever heard of Sand Mountain?

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. In Georgia?

[beam me up scottie]

39. Sorry, meant Sand Mountain

You know, the snake handling church?

Then there's the ones that drink poison.

You can mix just about anything you want to with christianity.

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. Yes I do know about that church

You know I was a hippie teenager. We were interested in a lot of things - but not God or Jesus. So it seems odd to me to read these kids' blogs and see so much religious stuff there.

[beam me up scottie]

45. We weren't into religion either

but there were a few kids in high school that were really devout.

It seemed weird at the time because they could do some things like drinking but others were off limits, like smoking.

I think they molded their beliefs to fit their life.

That's probably what these kids did when they wanted to do something "bad".

Religion didn't get in their way, they just found a way to justify it.

Hell, adults do the same thing.

[proud2BlibKansan]

47. When I was a kid even the adults weren't that religious

not like these fundies we have today. I didn't know anyone like that and I grew up in a very devout Catholic family. We were also very liberal. My uncle is a priest and he was the most liberal adult I knew when I was a kid. He actually believed gays were born that way and that it was God's will that we should help the poor.

[beam me up scottie]

48. My ex's mother was.

She was a total nutcase.

Also from Pennsylvania, as a matter of fact.

I really think this kid wasn't as religious as the girl was.

He probably figured it was the only way her parents would let him see her.

She seems like she was easily impressed-probably because she was sheltered.

[rainbow4321]

40. Not all blogs reflect what is happening with kids' lives

I have a teen relative that has one and she is always chipper and care free on it..if you didn't know her you would never know that her father is a short tempered control freak, that he got laid off recently, that the mother at one point was working 2 jobs just to makes ends meet..the family problem list goes on and on..but, like I said, her Xanga doesn't reflect any of their household issues.

Plus..with Xanga people can do private posts that only a selected handful can see. There are public and private posts, we only are seeing the public ones. I learned that from my kids' Xanga sites.. also, if you have the person's password you can log on and see both types of posts.

I noticed that neither of them mentions the other in their blog entries, but they obviously knew each other and were reportedly going out. Not having any entries about or to each other may also indicate that they both chose to leave a chunk of their private lives off their sites.

[proud2BlibKansan]

42. His blog is full of her pictures

but you're right, I don't see where they talk about each other at all.

[Mr_Spock]

14. Wow, people have posted some really angry things on his site

I know what he did was disgusting, but I can't imagine doing this:



Photo Comments

The face of a killer
Posted: Nov. 14, 2005 By: disgusted
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This is a priceless photo...I wish this one would be put up on the TV...this just shows how nuts this freako is...
Posted: Nov. 14, 2005 By: Heather
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On my way to the Kordova Milk Bar...and then a little of the ultra-violence.
Posted: Nov. 14, 2005 By: Diamond Dave
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OMG ROFLMFAO! FREAK! That's perfect. That does seem to sum up your life.
Posted: Nov. 14, 2005 By: Look at you!
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If you clean this one up with photoshop it would make a perfect book cover for your life story. Got a publisher yet?
Posted: Nov. 14, 2005 By: not judging
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[hallc]

15. it was worse earlier

they had all the pictures of him being captured and snide remarks.

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. check out this comment on his blog

David, you are a victim. Rev Pat Robertson tried to warn you last week. If the people in Dover had not voted those God fearing members off of their school board, you would never have taken that gun and killed Kara's parents.

I hope the people of Dover are asking for God's forgiveness today. And please know that you were chosen by Him to bring His message to Pennsylvania.

God Bless You.

 
Posted 11/15/2005 at 12:28 AM by doversux

[hallc]

30. bwahahahah

by doversux - some people are seriously just batshitcrazy

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. I think it's a spoof

Surely no one really believes David is a messenger from God to Dover. :eyes:

[regnaD kciN]

19. I can't help but notice...

She's on the "!Support Our Troops!" blogring.

:eyes:

[hallc]

20. she also has JESUS in big letters as an interest n/t

[Mr_Spock]

21. Didn't Jesus condone killing people who weren't like him?

:eyes:

Damned RW hypocrisy...

[hallc]

22. Lancaster County is full of em...

We've got more than just the amish...

[NYC Liberal]

43. That's on the girl's site...she was adbucted not the killer...

[proud2BlibKansan]

49. I have a feeling she was involved

It's just a hunch. I think she may have known what he was going to do or maybe she didn't try to stop him.

[NYC Liberal]

50. Maybe something like in Post #38...

where they were arguing about the curfew and she said, "I wish they were dead" and he took her seriously.

That seems like a plausible explaination.

[Dunvegan]

17. Well, his web published photos are going to get considerable publication

...I suppose.

Most of the pictures are quite simple and average...nothing out of the ordinary.



But there are a few I'll bet get considerable currency.

Here's one under "Hunting 2004" that will probably see circulation:



And here's one of him at home playing warrior in his bedroom with his Japanese katana:

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Did you see the one with all the booze?

[gardenista]

44. Yes, and I noticed that there was an adult with those boys.

I imagine we'll be hearing something about that soon.

[hallc]

18. weird thing is that this happened about 5 minutes

from where my parents live (and where i used to live up till 6 months ago). Nice town, wealthy area. Not something anyone expected in our neighborhood. The kids were both homeschooled and deeply religious. Its a pretty sad story - i still think the girl was in on the whole thing though.

[Mr_Spock]

35. "i still think the girl was in on the whole thing though."

I remember that age all too well. As soon as I heard there was a GF around, my mind started to wonder...

[hallc]

38. it fits the storyline

The whole argument was about the girls curfew - the parents talked to the boyfriend about keeping their daughter out too late...i could just see the girl saying "i wish they were dead" and having the boyfriend take her seriously.

[FreedomAngel82]

37. Did you look on his site?

:shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. Yep

pretty interesting

also pretty sad

[rainbow4321]

51. Here is his myspace..her's has been taken down or blocked

A local news channel website had it listed in an article.


http://www.myspace.com/haydren


Her's:

http://www.myspace.com/meantxtoxlive

[H2O Man]

52. It is a tragic case.

Obviously, the media will play it up in a number of ways, and a couple may even get close to the truth of what happened.

It reminds me of a local case that took place in New Berlin, a small town in Chenango County in rural, upstate New York. On October 20, 1992, a 14 year old named April Dell'olio stabbed her boyfriend, 17 year old David Eccleston, to death. She used a kitchen "steak" knife to stab him approximately 25 times in the chest and back while on their morning walk to school.

The case allowed area adults an "open window" on the secret life of young people. While David was a star high school athlete, and going to get scholarships for college, and April was by all appearances the reincarnation of little Miss Eva from Uncle Tom's Cabin, there was the hidden culture of teens, which defense attorneys would play up to the jury to prove, as it were, that young David deserved to be killed in such a manner.

April was found not guilty by reason of temporary insanity. She was determined to have suffered from a "brief reactive psychosis," resultiing from her belief that David was going to break up with her. Because no one -- prosecutor of defense -- argued that she was still insane, April got off with absolutely no consequences.

I had worked, over the years, with the judge, prosecutor, and defense attorneys involved. I'm friends with two of them. They were all shocked by the verdict. The judge said it was as if he were handcuffed from doing anything beyond saying, "Well, April had a bad hair day."

Lost in the entire episode, beside the life of a boy and the suffering of his family and friends, was any examination of why a 14 year old would think that stabbing a human being to death was a good choice for resolving conflict. And, truth be known, 14 year old girls do not simnply develop skills in violence in a vacuum.

[justiceischeap]

53. Whoa! I didn't know they were from Lititz, PA. I grew up there.

Freaky...

[hallc]

54. me too

Landisville here