The God Warrior Lady

[yella_dawg]

The "God Warrior" lady was recently much discussed here in GD. She took a goodly ration of abuse, but in the end, enough people expressed the opinion that she was a complete fruitcake and thus to be pitied to balance out the giggling finger-pointers so that DU could hold the high ground as a thoughtful, caring community. The "she's demon possessed and should be burned at the stake" opinion really didn't even make a serious showing. Which is curious, since obviously they had some pretty firm ground to stand on.

More recently, the "perverted search string" debate has been raging. For some reason, an unusual number of DUers took offense to the implication that males are slobbering lechers who live to sexually abuse and degrade women. Imagine that. But then again, the image of men as slobbering lechers does seem pervasive in any number of posts these days. But in any case, the "men are an evil affliction of womankind and should be jailed at birth" crowd was out in force. Which is a bit odd, since the whole argument pretty much reflected badly on the feminist position.

I ,and others, pointed out that the "offending" search strings contained no gender or age identifiers. (Is our world really so comfortable that we can expend such vitriol on search strings?) Thus the diatribe against adult males was questionable. But in all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised to find that a significant number, even a majority, of the searches were, in fact, conducted by (wait for it...) men. A few posts made a poorly executed attempt to argue that such behavior pointed out greater problems within society, that we were railing about a symptom, not a cause. That important point was blasted to dust due to weak framing rather than the idea's merit.

But the most important point, I thought, was that the topic (astonishingly stupid people do disgusting things at the behest of a pervert) was one which would attract mentally and morally questionable males, rather than females of similar ilk. Write up a blog entry titled "Ricky Martin Found Bound and Nude in Alleyway" and do a gender analysis on search string for that sparkling jewel. (Assuming the media was shouting it across the land in hopes of another "Blond Teen Abduction" type of ratings boost. Of course, a lot of guys would be googling like fiends compelled by hopes of soothing their jealousy of a too-pretty sex symbol.)

The point is, I just can't imagine Karl Rove with conventional, or even legal, sexual appetites. I can't imagine that the God Warrior Lady has "ordinary" desires either. I figure that there are legions of people in this populous country who are comparably deviant to one or the other, depending on gender (or maybe not). Picking a topic that obviously would attract male perverts to lash out at men in general is deceitful and damaging. There is a growing sentiment on DU, and in society in general, that "men are dogs, some can be house broken and some can't". Bullshit. Men and women are different. But that doesn't make men wrong or bad. Asserting such a hateful ideology only hurts society's efforts to correct real inequalities and genuine relational problems.

Oh. And ladies, next time you want to rant about perverted men, get a good mental picture of a Fat Karl look-alike in a yellowed undershirt and stained boxer shorts googling away from a mound of beer cans and pizza boxes. That's who is searching for sick videos. Take a close look at the men in your life. If there is any comparison, it's time to spend your time correcting your lifestyle instead of ranting on DU.



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[LincolnMcGrath]

1. Did you mean to say Found Bound

"Ricky Martin Bound Bound and Nude in Alleyway"


:hi:

[yella_dawg]

3. Oops

Thanks!

[Richard Steele]

"Sound Clown Found Bound & Ungowned Around Midtown"

Sorry, couldn't resist.

YD makes a good point.
Recommended!

[Hobarticus]

31. Variety's on line 1, and they ain't happy n/t

[Touchdown]

30. His shaking bon-bons are bound bound.

What's the problem here? This is Ricky Martin. Any wording works on him.

[Der Blaue Engel]

2. Well thank goodness I missed all this

Not sure how I got so lucky, but I haven't a clue what you're talking about. (Except for the God Warrior Lady.)

I doubt, however, that there is a "growing sentiment" that men are dogs. This is an age-old sentiment that some people believe, and some people don't. I haven't seen any noticeable increase in the numbers on the "dog" side lately.
:shrug:

[mongo]

4. Good rant

to which I'll add regarding the search strings thread

How many hits were women who were looking for something to be disgusted or rightously indignant at? How much of lifetime's programing is fiction about women being abused? Does this make women who watch lifetime perverts?

[graywarrior]

5. All this went right over my head.

I think I agree with you, but I'm not sure what about.

[yella_dawg]

6. I get that all the time.

I'm not sure why.

[graywarrior]

10. You're too intelligent, yella

[yella_dawg]

11. That's one problem

that I've never suffered from.

:)

[graywarrior]

13. I don't believe that for a second.

[annabanana]

18. I'm confused, because

I'm not exactly sure what a "search string" is. I'm, perhaps, not as netcentric as many on this board...

[hvn_nbr_2]

24. I know what a search string is...

but I have absolutely no idea what this OP is about.

[loudsue]

7. I like men.

Not ALL men, but I have some of the very 'bestest' men in the world in my life (husband, bro, buddies, nephews, god-sons, former teachers, clients, co-workers, neighbors).

:hi: And some of the BEST men, are DUers!! :applause:

When I see creeps like dubya, Rove, cheney, rumsfeld, and the like, and I hear about other, similar pervs on the news (child molesters, rapists, freepers :evilgrin: , etc.), it makes me REALLY grateful that I have such wonderful guys close by me in my life.

I'm sorry that there are women who blame, or wish harm, to MOST men for the dark side of a few. I'm sorry that there are men who flame, oppress, or fear women for the dark side of a few.

Both sexes have the good 'uns and bad 'uns. But I'm a die-hard bleeding-heart liberal: I truly believe that MOST folks (of both sexes) are just folks, and are doing the best they can with what they have to work with.

Just my 2-cents.

:kick:

[whatever4]

8. "But that doesn't make men wrong or bad."

Agreed, it doesn't make them wrong or bad. But when they are wrong or bad, women are a lot more likely to pay a price, an unfair price that hurts, and no one will think twice about it.

Men are, by far and away, more violent and dangerous to women and for women than women. While our society and others continue to walk around blithely ignoring those simple facts of life, the inequality will never change and there will continue to be women like her, and me, and Maureen Dowd - http://www.alternet.org/story/28155/, who have come to the conclusion that for WHATEVER good civilization and social accord is worth,it's all lost when it means HALF the people die an early death, are hurt and are otherwise treated less favorably. When one half has a head start and just keeps getting more perks and encouragement. What good is the food, and the home, and the medicine, and the education of so many of us when, well frankly, heck so many are raped or abused before we're even out of primary school, you just wouldn't believe. I know too many personally. Not to be crude, but that's JUST how it is, and it's just ONE event that happens regularly for too many, and my god not only do we manage not to care what the grand total is, we don't even want to HEAR about it, what happens to the smallest and weakest of us.

And this is the fault of women somehow? I do not see how.

We ARE different. We are born different. But rather then being utilized, respected or even recognized, our differences are seen as weaknesses. The law ignores it in total, though it is the ONE truth we have about humans, across the board, in terms of behavior, as I see it. The difference of the sexes. Women aren't as violent and men frequently hurt women. Period. Casual acceptance of it is as pervasive as any evil I know of. It's even a shame for being female, basically. Does anyone doubt the shame? Haven't most male here ever been taunted by being called a girl??

Yes, we're weaker. Yes, we'll always be "weaker". But using those differences systematically to hurt the weaker isn't really any different than slavery or a caste system. In this, though, it's all about not seeing the reality. No one sees the slaves. Sigh. No one ever noticed what happened to me, and I was five years old. Can you say waking up in a farmers field? Don't worry, I won't go into further shocking details. But it's not because I don't have them, please don't think that's the reason. Please please don't think a LOT of women don't have their own horror stories. Believe me, women you like, see every day, young and old, big and small, pretty and ugly, so very many you know, and you'd never think, because you'd never think a person would want to hurt her. Or be exceptionally rude to her, just because he can, because he's a closet chauvinist. There is a lot of bitterness over having to hide their hateful attitudes toward women. Like Scooter. Hateful anger, toward anything in a skirt.

It happens. A lot.

The Gate to Women's Country
http://www.strangewords.com/archive/gateto.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553280643/002-6104891-6292064?v=glance

Anyone care to guess how far we are from the disaster she theorized in that book?

Women who hate men are not much of a problem. Men who hate women ARE much of a problem. The two side are NOT equal.

editing for spelling and to say, of the many other women I say I know...I'm talking about family, friends, neighbors and co-workers. Not a feminist group of group of any kind, just my own life sampling. And I have found that, for all that, I have been extremely fortunate in my life. I don't mean that sarcastically at all. Not in the least. I have been very lucky, in what I don't remember, and my age at the time. Most aren't so lucky.

[yella_dawg]

9. I disagree with your basic argument.

Both life experience and research have convinced me that violence and sexual abuse are areas where the genders have much more equality than common perception assumes. I also believe that I can't discuss this position with you in an open forum, due to the attack-dog mentality of some who disagree with me (NOT implying you are one of those).

Believe me, men have their own horror stories. It is a two way street, and insisting it is one-way will never stop the crashes.

[whatever4]

14. Well, going by personal experience

and what I've learned from others, I don't agree with you. I've heard this line before, and you may have facts to back that up, but I haven't meet very many men who've been raped by women, or very many that needed years of dental work to repair all the damage from all the punches, and I can't even remember the last time I heard of a man being abducted and murdered by a woman. I'm sure it's happened. I'm also sure it hasn't happened in anything close to equivalence.

Basically, I completely disagree with your angle on this, but I don't want to insult you. To me this is ordinary denial. I'm sure men have horror stories too, and I'm sure far more than half of of them ALSO were caused by men. Not women.

Gender hatred and discrimination is merely a fact of life that is easy for you to ignore, but when we ignore it, we get hurt. Sometimes, badly. Unless we are believing there is no discrimination and hatred at all, in which case, we have no common ground in the first place.

To be honest with you, this has the tone of propaganda spin, and I'm not going to debate it further. You may have "life experience and research", but a man can walk out the door in virtually any nation on the planet and NOT be seen as the weak, vulnerable victim that a woman is perceived as. Even if he's abused horribly in his own home, he doesn't have to worry so much about being grabbed on his own doorstep, in a parking lot or park, by a woman. Does he?? By a woman? Be honest! And could we please stop forgetting that most men are larger and stronger than most women? We aren't equal in that, and it does women a disservice to pretend we are.

When men are abused, it's a lot more likely to be emotional, and not a case of constantly losing an unfair physical confrontation with her. But see, women get both the emotional and physical abuse. It's just not the same. Women lose out on the crashes a LOT more often than men, and in adulthood, more often than not, have children to take care of during the whole ordeal.

The way I see it, pretending that we're equal in safety and opportunity when we're really not does women a disservice, and that blindness is a convenience for men. Like it, don't like it, it doesn't matter, but for us to misunderstand it gets us hurt.

[BiggJawn]

29. I'd rather have the dental work.

Than the YEARS of on-and-off depression and therapy and piss-poor "quality of Life" I've had to deal with from the mind-fuck my last wife worked on me. Oh, what am I talking about? Men are the abusers, NEVER the victim, right?

I see there's no use in trying to discuss this with you. Especially with a bullshit statement like:"...I'm sure men have horror stories too, and I'm sure far more than half of of them ALSO were caused by men. Not women."

And THIS gem: "When men are abused, it's a lot more likely to be emotional, and not a case of constantly losing an unfair physical confrontation with her."

Baseball bats are terrific "equalizers", did you know that?

Yeah, whatever...

[Marie26]

42. Here are the statistics - this is the truth

- 90 - 95% of domestic violence victims are women.
- as many as 95% of domestic violence perpetrators are male.
- the chance of being victimized by an partner is 10 times greater for a woman than a man.
- 70% of partner homicide victims are female.
- Homicide is the leading cause of death for women during pregnancy (43.4 percent) and during the "43 to 365 day period following delivery or termination of pregnancy" (23.3 percent)
- nearly 1 in 3 adult women experience at least one physical assault by a partner during adulthood.
- male perpetrators are 4 times more likely to use lethal violence than females.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report: National Crime Victimization Survey, Violence Against Women, 1994.

Of course men can be abused, of course women can commit crimes, but the vast majority of domestic violence is commited by men. I don't know why anyone would deny this simple fact.

[BiggJawn]

43. Who's denying?

I'm just standing here, an uncomfortable and embarassing testament to the "fact" that not ALL men are "perpetrators"

[Marie26]

44. Who's saying all men are perpetrators?

Most perpetrators are men, but most men are not perpetrators. I honestly don't see any people saying that men are all criminals. They seem to be pointing out the inequalities & dangers that women are more likely to face. But then the responses are like "you think all men are evil!" when that isn't what the poster is saying at all. It seems a little defensive (sorry). Kind of like if someone criticizes "intelligent design" & republicans respond by saying "you liberals want to kill God!!" It's taking a reasonable argument & making it unreasonable in order to attack it more easily. Most men are law-abiding, moral, care for their families, etc. But the fact is that women face a greater danger from the ones that are not. I guess what I'm really getting at is that it's hard to be a woman in the world, in terms of crime, in terms of relative weakness, in terms of needing to be afraid to walk at night. I wish more men would kind of understand that perspective.

[whatever4]

48. I'm sorry you were hurt

Very sorry. Aside from that I have no response. I think you're more fragile than I am, and...no, I'm not an abuser that would take advantage of that hurt, that weakness or that anger.

You're entitled to everything you feel. You deserve a better person in your life. Being as literate, thoughtful and spirited as you seem to be, I have the feeling you'll find her. I have the feeling she'll need to be as high-spirited as you to keep up. Make sure she realizes, from the very start, that abuse of each other is NOT going to be a component of your relationship. She gets mean, you walk. Period. If she can't understand that, she isn't worth it.

Hold your head up son. Maybe you were hurt, but if you didn't do the hurting, you're a much better, stronger, kinder person. It's worth a HELL of a lot to believe that, know it in your heart. You're an anti-abuser. Worth your weight in gold. Just my two cents.

[porphyrian]

12. Great justification for sexism you have there.

"Women who hate men are not much of a problem. Men who hate women ARE much of a problem."

Horseshit hate-speech. Individuals commit hate crimes, not entire sexes. But thanks for promoting hate and ignorance.

[whatever4]

15. ha

haha Did you miss the part where I was raped when I was five years old and left unconscious in a farmers field? So dramatic and shocking it must be a lie, right? Yes, oh yes, just like Rush says, these stories are always a lie. The man who did it, in my case, was so old he was bend over, white haired and had liver spots on his hand, which I remember seeing. Day care used to be called nursery school. Can we possibly imagine how many children he got ahold of over the years at a family-run day care?

Get a clue. There is gender hatred, or have you missed the current trend of the religious right?

Oh, and btw sparky, I didn't speak of hatred. I don't hate men, and it is hardly MY fault the way too many of them act out against women. It is NOT an act of hatred to discuss it, any more than is any OTHER issue of discrimination discussed by the losing party.

Get over yourself. No one said anything about doing anything TO men, about blaming ALL men, or hating male culture. But when these blind attitudes continue, I'd be willing to bet the solutions will include portions of those ideas, so for now...count yourselves lucky. Women aren't really acting to fix the problem yet, but when we do, if we have to fix it, you'll like it far less than these words, and we just won't give a damn how many of you aren't "like that". In general, too many of you, too many of you for us to live safely, and that is ALL that matters IN a society, ARE that way. However many is TOO many, and that is all there is to it.

To believe there is no problem is to believe it's acceptable. I was five. I can tell you it isn't acceptable. If you don't agree, I can hardly be blamed for not caring.

Funny how strong these two arguments are against seeing any differences in violence between the genders. Like I said, when convenient, we're seen as equal even when we're not. Especially when we're not, in fact.

Please notice I didn't assume you are male. No, sorry, didn't fall for the trap. That, too, is a favorite angle of the opposition, ladies. "But I'm a woman and I say..." Please be aware of it.

[porphyrian]

23. I didn't say there wasn't a problem, there is.

I'm just calling you out on your bullshit sexist hate-speech. The male sex isn't the problem, mental illness is. Yes, men and women are different. However insanity does not have a sexual preference. You were raped at five by someone who was insane. As horrible as that is, all men are not to blame for it.

There is a very real problem with rape and child molestation today. Being male isn't it. But keep preaching the hate, there are plenty of consumers here for it.

[whatever4]

47. Hate

I want to point out to you that you are the one that has used the word hate. I didn't use it. I don't hate. I don't hate men. In fact, I'm hetero and quite happily married. I don't hate men. I adore men. The only hatred is what some men do, the only hatred is the hatred some men have toward females. Their hatred is a problem, but, not typically for other men. See how that works?

When you say "However insanity does not have a sexual preference...", you forget, for some reason, that gender differences DO include real differences in our brains and our emotional make-up. It's not all inclusive, it's not a set pattern for every person, but it's real and biological and impossible to deny.

So in fact, perhaps I refute your statement entirely by insisting some forms in insanity DO have a sexual preference. It IS a prevalence women DO NOT share in anything near the same number of cases. Yes, there are some women with serious problems, there is absolutely nothing physically stopping women from being as violent and dangerous as men, and some of them certainly are. We won't even talk about me. But when the numbers over the course of many years indicate that not only are men the greater contributers, but that they're greater by multiples of the number of women...it ought to mean something. And we ought to be looking at who gets hurt.

If we care. If we care about the reality of the situation, if we care enough to be honest, to let go of our egos and look at the world for what it really is.

It's a much safer place for males than it is for females. Everywhere. No matter if this is CAUSED by men or women, or aliens from space, what matters are the FACTS and not over-simplified arguments for equality.

Funny that you don't even know how "equal" I consider the sexes to be. I, personally, believe in reincarnation. And with that, I believe all people have lives as both sexes. I quite deeply believe we are equal. Men and women are more alike than they are different. It's our differences that make life interesting, and wonderful. But to deny the differences, when it gets so many people so badly hurt...it doesn't help anyone. Male or female.

I'm female, so this hurt me. I have children, all boys...and so my problems and my lack of resources in life (perhaps related to traumatic childhood experiences, perhaps not) affect them. In the end, my being hurt could easily hurt more males that it did females.

That's why I think it's so important.

That's why I don't hate men.

That's the only reason I'm on here talking about it.

Please...please...never turn a blind eye to the possibility of these things happening to ANYONE in your life you could help. Sometimes just a word, just a quick note of something "strange" can make all the difference. Can save a life.

If what happened to me as a child (and note, I went there for 4 years...likely it wasn't just one instance) had been the only difficult, tragic and life-altering event, it would be one thing. But we all know that isn't how life works. We go through trial after trial, everybody does, but I promise you, this didn't help. I've been suicidal for as long as I can remember. As a child, people thought I was joking. I can't just count all the different times, I honestly can't even count the different ways. I could tell you stories that you just wouldn't believe, that it could all add up to one person's life.

It's not about hating men. It's not about hating at all. It's about stripping away the lies. I'm a tough old goose, and I have the good fortune to not remember very much. But I remember enough to tell. That's all I'm doing. It hurts to be criticized, but in some ways, I just can't be hurt any more in my life. It ought to be worth something. If I reached just ONE person and helped ONE little persons life, it was worth it.

I wish you all peace and love.

[whatever4]

16. An aside kudos to "God Warrior" lady

for saying whatever she said to rile up this group and cause discussion. Don't know who you're talking about, but I'd think I'd be more likely than not to agree with her.

And her sex prefs? Probably no stranger than half the posters here, more often times than not. The weirdos and the ones that talk about it are NOT the ones you have to worry about. It's the upstanding, the "perfect", the ones you'd never think twice about...that hurt people, and I think hurting people is the only issue of concern.

Anything else is just petty, narrow-minded or stupid.

[whatever4]

17. To sum up

So I don't have to worry about this thread, this topic or watching this board.

Prevailing opinions expressed are that there are no great problems of men hurting women which aren't balanced by approximately equally damaging problems caused by women for men. That there IS no skewing of the numbers between us enough for it to matter to most women. That we are equal in our violence, are complicit in most if not all matters, and that there is just as much harm done to men by women as is to women by men. Equality of the sexes is all areas of life is not a problem, a problem caused by men, is consensus. There are no pervasive issues of violence and inequality which hurt us greatly and are caused exclusively by men, but rather, that both sides contribute equally and deserve the same treatment.

I leave you with that, the last word, which is, that there is no problem with an exclusive male source.

It's a given that I don't agree and you will not convince me. All I'm saying is, I have nothing more to say about it. You have the last word. You win, I no longer care to fight. Quite honestly, I don't mean it sarcastically. I am not going to convince you, and I know that. I am not going to try. You believe we are equal, and I wish you all the luck in the world in pursuing that belief. If enough people believed that, perhaps we would be equal.

[Bruce McAuley]

26. Huzzah!

I'm a man, and I agree completely with what you say.
The facts speak for themselves: Women are violated and hurt WAY more than men are growing up and all through their lives. I'm thinking of "The Color Purple" here, a classic film.
As a man, I realize there are certain things I'm completely blind to, things only my wife and mate can clue me into. Thank you, my dear!
I also look at the available men my age(59) and postulate if I was a woman which one would I want to live with, and the number is vanishingly small. Some of us are princes rather than frogs, and housebroken and bonded(Hus-Bond)rather than the loners and losers who can't keep a woman OR a dog, but from MY perspective I have no problem admitting a LARGE part of my life is incomplete without a woman in it and a family life.
Thank you, my queens, my wife, my mother, my sisters. I owe you my life.

Bruce

[whatever4]

46. I'm glad I came back to see what else was written here

Thank you, that was great :)

[atommom]

27. I agree with you, too. Unfortunately, this still seems to be

a taboo topic for many people here.

[lonestarnot]

19. Who is the gawd warrior lady?

[annabanana]

20. Last week's Trading Spouses show..

Traded a wiccan-y lady from Massachusetts with a more than slightly unhinged Bible thumper from deep in Fundy country.. (I'm sure someone saved a picture, I didn't)

[lonestarnot]

21. I don't watch much TV, but if this was a rerun, I think I may have caught

it the first time way back when the season first started.

[sam sarrha]

22. I would be too ashamed t admit i watch reality shows, especially that one

:hide: :yoiks: :blush:

[mondo joe]

25. Shame is a Puritan value.

:-)

[sam sarrha]

50. true but it has other definations.. like "Ignominy.. like standing next to

someone who says a real racest or gutteral sexist statement.. and everybody looks at you..

[mondo joe]

51. That is even less reason for shame - you didn't say the offending

comment. The person next to you did.

[sam sarrha]

52. i disagree, but then it is just your loop up not mine.. missed the point

[mondo joe]

53. What IS your point? That if someone else is an idiot I should feel shame

for standing near them? Or for watching a tv show?

[jbnow]

28. I saw it because of a post here

saying to look at this lady screaming about God.

But I still don't know what this thread is about. I have missed the men are dogs threads completely.

However I do have a theory that all dogs are male and all cats are female. Dogs can have male or female organs, so will cats. They need it to breed. Doesn't matter. Dogs are still best called he and cats she.

[Theres-a]

37. She's truly bizarre

[donsu]

32. however, women and girls are being raped in america as I type this

by men.

explain that away.

[ieoeja]

33. Rapists exist?

Was there a point to your post?

[yella_dawg]

34. I don't want to explain it away.

I expect people to realize that men and boys are raped in this country as I type this. Unfortunately, many people in this country, and on this board, insist that males can't be raped by females. (Ref: several threads of late concerning 30-40-something women involved with / pregnant by 12-13 year old boys.) This allows those with such an attitude to continue on in blissful martyrdom.

[unpossibles]

35. wow

ok, my $.02

1 - men are on average more likely to be larger/stronger than women, and probably more violent due to socialization and/or physiology.

2 - men are victims of physical and emotional abuse too, but are trained to be ashamed of it and not discuss it. I have been attacked by a woman, and much later found this to not be uncommon.

3 - men are most likely not as frequently or brutally attacked by the opposite gender as women are.


All of that said, to lump all individuals together because of stereotyping and the actions of some individuals is prejudiced - it is the same as saying all blacks are violent and attack white people, or all gay men rape children, or all women are God Warriors, etc. It not only exposes hatred and bigotry, but ignorance and an inability to see the whole story or to give individuals a chance to be individuals.

I am sorry you were raped. I can empathize, but that doesn't mean that all men are rapists or that men are never raped.

Finally, this is giving dogs a bad name. I love my dog and have lived with dogs all of my life - they are warm, wonderful, loyal, caring animals. In that case, I am proud to be a dog.

peace

:)

[ArkDem]

36. The below statement is pretty stupid. There is no general

apperance for the perverted abuser....

Oh. And ladies, next time you want to rant about perverted men, get a good mental picture of a Fat Karl look-alike in a yellowed undershirt and stained boxer shorts googling away from a mound of beer cans and pizza boxes. That's who is searching for sick videos.

[BiggJawn]

38. Oh, sure there is....

They have penises, haven't you been reading the postings here?

[ArkDem]

39. But I don't look like that................

[BiggJawn]

40. Neither do I

Nor do I spend all night surfing for "sick" pictures.
That wouldn't matter to some.

[Marie26]

41. Plus, that isn't true

Dateline recently did a story on online predators. An investigator posed as a minor online, and men began instant messaging almost instantly. And dozens actually showed up at the house once they had the address. These weren't "Fat Karl" types - they were teachers, rabbis, counselors, CEOS, pillars of the community. Women need to be very careful with who they talk to online; just cause someone doesn't fit a "profile" doesn't mean it's safe. And men need to see too that just cause someone has a nice job, or is a "nice guy" doesn't mean that he can't be a danger.

[omega minimo]

45. The contortions required to twist men into hapless victims are impressive

I'd no idear men felt so persecuted.

"The "she's demon possessed and should be burned at the stake" opinion really didn't even make a serious showing. Which is curious, since obviously they had some pretty firm ground to stand on.

"But in any case, the "men are an evil affliction of womankind and should be jailed at birth" crowd was out in force. Which is a bit odd, since the whole argument pretty much reflected badly on the feminist position.

"A few posts made a poorly executed attempt to argue that such behavior pointed out greater problems within society, that we were railing about a symptom, not a cause. That important point was blasted to dust due to weak framing rather than the idea's merit.

"Picking a topic that obviously would attract male perverts to lash out at men in general is deceitful and damaging."

"There is a growing sentiment on DU, and in society in general, that "men are dogs, some can be house broken and some can't"...Asserting such a hateful ideology only hurts society's efforts to correct real inequalities and genuine relational problems."

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It once seemed that the way to address "society's efforts to correct real inequalities and genuine relational problems" on a discussion board was to have a discussion.

[mrcheerful]

49. Fact

Men are abused by women at far higher numbers then the stats show because men will not report abuse from women. Fact, women abuse and molest children at a higher rate then reported again because victims won't come forward when a woman does these kinds of things. Fact, its over looked by government when women commit these kinds of crime and the punishments are less sever then what men get for the same crimes or even lesser crimes. Fact, women that molest under age boys get away with it more often then not and that to gets unreported. Fact, The head of the child molestation division of the FBI stated that all men aged 8 to 80 are child molesters, just most don't act out on it. The truth is women are capable of committing the same crimes as men, just the numbers are low because when dealing with women most of those crimes go unreported. Everything here was also from the DOJ.