so --- how come the banana republicans never planted wmds in iraq???

[unblock]

i mean, we all expected it, and it would have been denounced as planted, but hell, that never stopped 'em before!

had we found some wmd's, it would have given the banana republicans critical support for their story. they lied about everything else, what the hell is one more lie to them? anyone who points out they were planted would just be denounced as unpatriotic as usual.

so why didn't they?

:shrug:

[rock]

1. That thunderous sound you hear is

thousands of Repukes striking their foreheads. Maybe that's why they have such sloped ridges?

[Cha]

2. I read a long time ago

that they were trying to do just that but it was a photo op gone bad.

Maybe someone else will have a link and more info.

[unblock]

6. what, they only had one shot at it?

there's an awful lot of desert in iraq. i'm just sayin'.

[Cha]

15. Amazing! It's gone down

like they had one chance and they blew it..

Now, we get to listen to all the other millions of reasons they went in and BOMBED THE SHYTE OUTTA IRAQ.

[Ready4Change]

19. I think there may have been several attempts.

You all have linked to a story which claims one attempt was stopped by a friendly fire incedent. (Some US troops didn't know about a covert ops group, and friendly fire supposedly killed the covert ops group to a man.)

I also read several reports in the past from foreign news sources reporting of US and British personel (not always official military personel) unloading or moving items more or less verifiably claimed to be WMDs bound for "planting."

I'm guessing intel ops people sent out some feeler groups, to see where and how this could be done. One got through without being pinged by foreign press, but the actual attempt failed due to it's own "super-dooper" secrecy.

Or maybe that's just my tinfoil speaking. :)

[ProfessorGAC]

38. Really Think The Objecting Countries Weren't Watching

They have satellites too, you know! France, Russian, China, Japan. They weren't going to let the U.S. get away with that, and the U.S. knew it. Any attempt to plant WMD's would have been revealed so that those countries that objected to the war wouldn't look foolish. They weren't going to play the patsy for this gang of thugs.

The Professor

[Tommy_J]

9. I also remember a story like that

In the story, the mission to plant WMDs was scuttled by a friendly fire incident

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. yes the one I refer to bellow

it is in the AP archives if they did not send it down the memory hole

[Cha]

14. YES! Something like that...

It was straight out of "stranger than fiction"!

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. They tried

look this story up in the AP archives, a MIlitary Intelligence Unit that was destroyed to a man during the opening days of the war. They were "on the wrong side of the line" and the Third ID assumed they were enemy... and they had no IFF on....

Soon after the Commanding OFficer of the Third ID was relieved in the middle of operations.... if you read between the lines and you know how the military works... Military INtelligence was the cover and chances are that unit was not part of the military. Moreover, MI units are not ahead of the tip of the spear... it just takes a lot of readying between the lines.

Oh and I expect some to call this ahem, tin foil nuttery too

[Cha]

16. Do you have a link, nadin? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Unfortunately no,

let me see if I can find it in the archives, hopefully it has not gome down the proverbial memoery hole (adn did not save it)

This seems to be the closest, after a cursory check and it is NOT AP

http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news080.htm

And look down, somebody did

;-)

[Cha]

23. Thanks, what a tragic

mess..all based on the pnacer/bush lies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Yep it is a mess

[dogman]

4. The international inspectors would not be fooled.

It would have been like the forged Niger documents.

[unblock]

10. my point is, they don't need to fake EVERYBODY

i mean, we at du see through their other lies. they've shown, time and time again, that it is enough to be able to fool most of the people. you then denounce the others as unpatriotic or liberal or mistaken or whatever. think how they dealt with the un weapons inspectors.

[Inland]

30. I see what you are saying, but that's not the calculus.

WMD that is found and later seen to be faked or planted would bolster the case for war among 20% and lead to 50% calling for impeachment. For those that didn't believe, there wouldn't be any rest until Bush was gone and everyone involved in prison. Much safer to claim an understandable screw up.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Too many people would have been needed to do it.

The logistics of a credible "plant" of WMDs would have required a fair number of lower-level military people and Iraqis, and the more people who participate in a conspiracy, the more likely there is to be a leak. I think they knew they couldn't have kept that quiet, so they chose to lie in other ways. I think they thought they'd just whup some ass and everybody'd call it a huge success -- remember the flowers and parades thing -- and if no WMDs were ever discovered it wouldn't matter.

[leftofthedial]

7. a shipment of Murkan chemical weapons was reported to have been

found in Basra

another British special forces op gone bad

they certainly had enough money to fake whatever they wanted

[havocmom]

8. The US is not the only contry with satellites looking down

Chances of being busted big time?

[BJW]

24. excellent point

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Because this is the gang that couldn't shot straight

They're all smoke and mirrors.

[Octafish]

13. They outted Plame and Brewster Jennings & Associates.

Their specialty was countering WMD proliferation. These same people were keeping the former Soviet stockpile from getting in the wrong hands. Wayne Madsen reports they also may've stopped the little turd from Crawford moving nerve gas from Turkey into Iraq. No wonder the Pentagon doesn't like Bush.

[goodboy]

17. they tried to...google 665,000 hits for "plant WMD in Iraq"

http://www.trinicenter.com/oops/ciadod.html

CIA and DOD Attempted To Plant WMD In Iraq
by Iraqwar.ru
June 20, 2003

A DOD whistleblower detail an attempt by a covert U.S. team to plant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The team was later killed by friendly fire due to CIA incompetence.
Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/ DoD Fiascos
In a world exclusive, Al Martin Raw.com has published a news story about a Department of Defense whistleblower who has revealed that a US covert operations team had planted "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (WMDs) in Iraq – then "lost" them when the team was killed by so-called "friendly fire."

The Pentagon whistleblower, Nelda Rogers, is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the Defense Department. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq.

According to Al Martin Raw.com, "Ms.Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.

The information that is being leaked out is information "obtained while she was in Germany heading up the debriefing of returning service personnel, involved in intelligence work in Iraq for the Department of Defense and/or the Central Intelligence Agency.

"According to Ms. Rogers, there was a covert military operation that took place both preceding and during the hostilities in Iraq," reports Al Martin Raw.com, an online subscriber-based news/analysis service which provides "Political, Economic and Financial Intelligence."

[guruoo]

32. Nelda Rodgers

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Nelda+Rogers%22&btnG=Google+Search
If I had more time, I'd try to find out how they explained, or covered up the deaths. Need to know the appx date the covert op was carried out, and then search for news on friendly fire or any other coinciding event that could have been used to explain away the casualties, and provide press cover for the operation.

[smoogatz]

20. Because they didn't care if WMD were found or not.

They had plenty of alternate rationales for the war--at least enough to confuse the electorate for awhile and keep the '04 election close enough to steal. Mission accomplished.

[Geek_Girl]

21. They couldn't fool the world but they sure as hell could

dupe the idiots that make up our citizenry. So they didn't have to plant anything. Just keep the spin going and ma and pa Joe American will be so confused they'll believe whatever this administration wants them to believe.

[notadmblnd]

22. I think they t ried

and didn't get away with it. Early on, wern't there were reports of a convoy exploding? As I recall the convoy was moving into Iraq from Kwuait?

[Wilms]

25. Maybe they DID plant them.

And forgot where...

:shrug:

[BJW]

27. Presumes WMD was legitimate reason

not the smokescreen reason in a number of rationales.

Keep in mind that we're building permanent military bases.

Am thinking that their logic was to deliberately NOT find WMDs, which would then have led to a call by Americans to leave immediately (mission really accomplished, early on), but rather the real mission was to put troops into situation that would deteriorate, so that the underlying real reasons (control oil, establish permanent military presence) can be accomplished.

[drb]

29. ...and a deteriorating situation that just happens to lead to....

...killing an enourmous number of Iraquis while leaving the oil resources intact.

[BJW]

35. Exactly!

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. They were the Casus Belli, no WMDs, the war is ilegal

that is why they tried

[BJW]

36. True. The real questions needs to be

Why we are building permanent military bases in Iraq?

[Inland]

28. They not only need WMD, but packaging, placement, and

Iraqis who would identify it as being there prior the war.

Plus, the thing about WMD? Hard to just have it disappear, reappear. It isn't like moving around inert matter that can be placed in a truck. Shit's dangerous, and unless the US wants to explain the sudden death of military at an airbase, a lot of precautions have to be taken.

That means hundreds, maybe thousands, of people involved. It couldn't be kept secret.

[Rex]

33. They own the oil fields - mission accomplished.

Last time I checked there were NO angry peasants at the WH gate with torches and pitchforks, so why worry about WMD? I'm sure the BFEE would have planted them if the IWR would have failed in Congress.

No need to.

[drm604]

34. Too risky.

If the choice is between appearing to have been taken in by "faulty intelligence", or risking getting caught planting fake evidence, which would you choose?
The consequences of the first choice can be bad politically, but the possible consequences of the second are something you most definitely wouldn't want to face.
So you end up looking somewhat foolish and gullible (but with your goal accomplished) or you risk ending up in a federal penitentiary. I'd choose the first.

[ComerPerro]

37. I don't know if they could have gotten away with it