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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:55 AM
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King Abdullah of Jordan is Wonderful
I like him because he's a moderate and thinks with a clear mind. He sees through the Bushies for who they are. His wife is also nice.


GO KING ABDULLAH!!!
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:58 AM
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1. Queen Rania and him make a great couple.
Not that it is relevant to anything, but she is also extremely beautiful. But it's a beauty that transcends just her physical appearance. She just seems like a kind soul.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:42 AM
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4. She's the most gorgeous and well dressed woman in the public eye
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 10:42 AM by elehhhhna
today.

By far.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:27 AM
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8. She's also Palestinian, which helps her connect with Jordanians. nt
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:59 AM
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2. What did he see through the bushes?
Maybe I missed something.
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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:06 AM
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3. He knew there were no WMD's
He knows what they're all about and that this bunch is full of mud.

King Abdullah is no idiot.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:58 AM
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5. If he were a real smart cookie,
he would distance himself from shrubadubya. dubby is the cause for much of the pain around the world.
Chalabi ripped off Jordan and dubby loves him some chalabi.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:19 AM
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6. He speaks English better than *.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:21 AM
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7. His mother is American and exceptionally well educated. Gorgeous too!
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 11:23 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:28 AM
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9. I think Abdullah's mother was actually a previous wife of Hussein....
But his stepbrothers and stepsisters are the children of Queen Noor.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:34 AM
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12. I stand corrected! Thank you for enlightening me. :) I just did a quick
search.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_II_of_Jordan

Abdullah became king on February 7, 1999 upon the death of his father King Hussein. Hussein had recently named him Crown Prince on January 24, replacing Hussein's brother Hassan after many years in the position. It was not a universally popular decision. Abdullah's mother, Antoinette Avril Gardiner (commonly referred to as Toni Avril Gardiner), was British by birth – she was renamed "Muna al-Hussein" upon her marriage to King Hussein, created a royal princess by her husband, and remains a popular philanthropic figure in Jordan – and many people in Jordan thus considered it unfitting that he should be an heir to the Hashemite throne, which traces its descent directly from the Prophet Muhammad. (King Abdullah is a 43rd generation descendant of the prophet).
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:29 AM
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10. The fellow who pardoned Chalabi
at the beest of George?

Hm.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:48 AM
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16. Isn't Chalabi still 'wanted' in Jordan ?
Hadn't herd that he was pardoned.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:54 AM
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18. Not anymore
The King pardoned him before he became Iraq's Oil Minister.

At the request of George.

You can look it up.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:08 PM
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19. I did look it up but
although I knew Abdullah had been requested to pardon Chalabi I didn't find anything confirming that Chalabi was actually pardoned. Could you point me to a site confirming the pardon? How much clout does Abdullah really have? I would hate to lose any respect I have for Abdullah. I really would appreciate your help.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:51 PM
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21. The last word on it from the Jordanians looks like "it's being considered"
WEYMOUTH: Could you elaborate on rumors that you are going to pardon Ahmed Chalabi?

HIS MAJESTY: All that's happened so far is that (Iraq's) President (Jalal) Talabani asked me to look into the Chalabi case to see if we can't find a solution to the problem. Obviously, Ahmed Chalabi is a senior member of the Iraqi government, and we believe in a strong relationship with Iraq, so we should put our best efforts into solving this problem. The issue with Chalabi is an economic problem, not a political one. It is (about) money owed to people, not to the government.

WEYMOUTH: Do you think these people will have to be reimbursed?

HIS MAJESTY: At the end of the day, we will have to figure out how to compensate these people.

22nd May 2005
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:58 PM
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23. Here
Jordan's King Abdullah II is set to pardon Ahmad Chalabi, who has emerged as vice-premier in the new government. Chalabi was indicted in Jordan in 1992 for embezzling over $200 million from his Petra Bank in the 1980s in that country. A lot of his bank's stated collateral was fraudulent, and a lot of the missing money appears to have gone to Chalabi relatives in the form of loans never collected on. Chalabi was investigated by the US military for allegedly passing sensitive information from the US to Iran. He was close to the Neoconservatives in the Pentagon, whom he provided with false reports about Iraq's weapons capabilities, and apparently one of the Neocons told him that the US had broken the codes used by the Iranian government. Chalabi let the Iranians know, and they changed their code. One result of this espionage on behalf of Iran by Chalabi is that the US now cannot so easily monitor the Iranian nuclear program. Chalabi survived his tiff with the US government, however, by allying with the hard line Shiite Muqtada al-Sadr faction, as well as maintaining his links with Shiite moderates, so that he emerged as a power broker in the new government (he was number 10 on the United Iraqi Alliance cobbled together by Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani.) The US military turned over to Chalabi surviving records from the Iraqi ministry of the interior, which he has apparently used to blackmail politicians who, the documents show, were on Saddam's payroll.

Just so readers don't put their necks out doing a double take, I just want to repeat that Chalabi is a vice premier of Iraq and the Jordanian government is going to pardon him for embezzling over $200 million. In an unrelated story, two burglars from Dubuque, Iowa, face life in prison under a 'three strikes and you're out' law for their robbery of the West Locust Mart (their third offense), in 2000.

http://www.juancole.com/2005/05/constitution-drafting-subcommittee.html

JORDAN

Reported Decision by King Abdullah to Pardon Ahmad Chalabi

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2005/46058.htm
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:31 AM
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11. Saddam used to be wonderful too
As long as he towed the US line. I think the king is endangering his citizens by torturing people for Bush.

Don
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:53 PM
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25. The King is like the Shah of Iran
He's an American puppet, educated in the USA. Jordan is practically a colony of the United States and most Arabs really hate that.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:38 AM
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13. He' s a King. Get rid of him.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:40 AM
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14. that's what I was about to say
Maybe he's a great guy or whatever, but come on, it's the 21st century. We don't need kings.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:50 PM
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20. Right - a failed state degenerating into anarchy or a terrorist state
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 12:51 PM by dmordue
Is much better than a style of government that protects peoples rights and offers security.

Consistent with your philosophy going into Iraq to get Saddam out of power was a good idea. Like Bush says "democracy will solve all the worlds problems". Who is next on the list to liberate?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:34 PM
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24. Who says it will degenerate into anarchy.
Consistent with your philosophy the Shah would still be in Iran.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:41 AM
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15. Down with all kings...
so says the American revolution.

He is no exception.
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Orangeone Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:49 AM
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17. Right On!

It's o.k. to be a dicator/king if you kiss American & Israeli ass and you present a westernized image.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 12:58 PM
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22. he ain't that wonderful - he's afraid of the bushgang


he has to walk a fine line to keep Jordanians from being killed by either side.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:00 PM
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26. He has no concern for the Jordanian people
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 06:11 PM by NNN0LHI
Otherwise he wouldn't be torturing people for Bushit or allowing Bush to use his country to invade another sovereign country. Simple as that. He is pond scum.

Don
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