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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:40 PM
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The more the MSM is seen as propaganda, the more DU and the other blogs...
will be used as alternate media. Same thing happened in the last days of the old Soviet Union - people will eventually sense they're being lied to and will seek alternate sources of information.

Oh, BTW, that also means that more "Rapid Response Astroturf" posters will infest our site. I guess you take the bitter with the sweet. And so it goes. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:42 PM
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1. Mainstream media is already passe and obsolete. They did it to
themselves.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:42 PM
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2. Smokin!!!
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:43 PM
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3. What's a "rapid response astroturf" poster?
sounds kinky
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:45 PM
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4. The Heidi Fleiss high-dollar version of a troll...
and, yeah, they are kinky... :evilgrin:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:47 PM
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5. Well heck I better get out
my super dooper troll scooper I got at Target.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 01:48 PM
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6. Then let's all get on the same page on terminology.
The Corporate Media are not "mainstream" - and never were. WE're the mainstream media. So please don't use "MSM." Call them what they are - the Corporate Media. And if you feel a need to refer to them in terms of their predominance, call them the Dominant Media.

NGU.


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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 02:10 PM
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7. The acronym "MSM" is, I think, taking on all the characteristics...
you describe. If space allows, however, you're right "Corporate Media" is far more descriptive.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 02:58 PM
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11. CM could work too.
There's a real danger in using Radical RW frames, even if it's only over a space consideration. It suggests that we're giving tacit consent to the characterization of the CM as "mainstream."

NGU.


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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 02:15 PM
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8. You'll like this then,,,,
This I ripped out of another thread - the importance of this is the fact the MSNBC referred to the BLOGS several times as possible sources. Read below, also I remember a thread in regards to Rolling Stone indicating that BLOGS stay on top of the raw news and dinosaurs like the NYT's are missing the real news - just thought you would enjoy!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8657402 /

Tony Maciulis's blog on the Battle of Fallujah...

<snip>

But two reports from the Italian media today are calling into question what weapons and means were used in that battle, and they are spreading rapidly across the Web, including to the Arabic daily Al Jazeera.
First, the Italian newspaper "La Repubblica" is reporting that U.S. troops used white phosphorous on civilians. The Pentagon admits that the substance has been used for the purpose of illuminating target areas, but not on civilians.
Next, an Italian television station aired a documentary today claiming that a new form of napalm was also used in that siege. That documentary is also available online at RAI's website and on several left leaning blogs, but it contains some disturbing footage.
Bloggers have watched and read the reports and have some strong statements today.
The blogger at "The Next Left" says that like the pro-torture lobby, this accusation further undermines America's credibility in this war.
A similar point is coming from "TPM Cafe." This blogger says that the story will cause an even greater shock to the world than the allegations of torture at Abu Ghraib did.
But at "Environmental Republican," this blogger isn't buying the claims. He says the U.S. has not violated any laws. White phosphorous is not a banned substance, and the U.S. uses it in a legal manner.
Before this story gets any bigger on the blogs I wanted to ask an expert to help me understand it better, and truth squad it a bit. I spoke to retired Army Colonel Jack Jacobs and he shed some light on the story, separating fact from fiction.
First, the documentary by Italian state television claims that Mark77 was used, and calls this chemical a "new and improved form of napalm."
Jack tells me that this is not a new form of napalm and is essentially the same stuff that was used in Vietnam. He also says that by law the U.S. military is not permitted to target civilians with the chemical, nor would they be allowed to do so with white phosphorous.
The chemicals are used for the purpose of illuminating targets and not intended nor permitted to be used on civilians. That said, rounds do go astray. I will talk to Jack today about the matter. It has the potential to be a big story.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 02:44 PM
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9. Note the condescending tone...
"Before this story gets any bigger on the blogs"... lets get the "truth" from the US Military spokesperson... :eyes:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 02:55 PM
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10. their idiots - it doesn't matter who they ask - The BLOGS rule today's
information highways, and the BLOGS will only get bigger and better in defination.
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:30 AM
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13. That said, rounds do go astray.
Ya Right.....

Like on purpose??????
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:59 AM
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12. .
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 02:34 AM
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14. .
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:52 AM
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15. samizdat, baby!
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