White Phosphorus my ass

[undergroundpanther]

It's Nalpalm! And People have known about it FOR YEARS.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m10781
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20030805-9999_1n5bomb.html


These articles I have sent to someone else here before.. Now they are mysteriously "down" from looksmart now.
But if you can get library copies or something here is even earlier accusations of US use of Nalpalm in Iraq and the references you may need to get them.



JOHN pilger - journalism and the Persian Gulf War
New Statesman, June 26, 2000

As the ceasefire was being negotiated with Iraq, columns of retreating Iraqis and foreign guest workers who had been trapped in Kuwait were attacked by American carrier-based aircraft. They used cluster bombs and napalm B, the type that sticks to the skin while continuing to burn. Returning pilots bragged about a "turkey shoot". Others likened it to "shooting fish in a barrel". Among the fleeing military trucks were old Toyotas, Volkswagens, motorbikes. Defenceless people were strafed as they ran for cover.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FQP/is_4492 ...



Daisy Cutters signal switch to crude tactics
Evening Standard (London), April, 2003 by HUGH DOUGHERTY

While other allied bombs are dropped from strike aircraft or American bombers, Daisy Cutters are the size of a small family car - so large that they have to be dropped from the back of a specially adapted Hercules transport plane.

They contain 15,000lb of fuel-air explosives, a variation on the deadly napalm which the US deployed with huge destructive effect - and to massive public outrage - in Vietnam.
The plane carrying the device has to fly above 6,000 feet to escape being destroyed by the blast.

The bomb works by detonating only three feet above the ground, spraying tiny droplets of fuel-based explosive into the air where they create a massive "air burst", a huge explosion, marked by a mushroom cloud visible for miles around.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4153/is_200 ...


Fighting the postwar battles: the end of the gulf war has not brought peace to the Kurds, the Shiites, the Arabs or Israel
US News & World Report, April 22, 1991 by Louise Lief

On the Turkish and Iranian borders, almost 2 million Kurdish refugees are freezing and starving in icy, ankle-deep mud. French doctors who traveled through the Kurdish areas report seeing many victims of napalm and phosphorous bombs dropped by Hussein's Air Force that left their faces blistered with black and white scabs and doctors sponging off hemorrhages with dirty rags. "We need a massive mobilization," says Dr. Francis Charhon of Doctors Without Borders, a French relief group that has sent almost 40 doctors and nurses into Turkey and Iran to help the refugees. "The Kurds are dying."


Why Napalm....???


From an article by Scott Shuger in Slate, who favors the use of napalm flamethrowers in Afghanistan:

"Although in Vietnam napalm was used irresponsibly on civilians, it is not inherently dangerous to them." Shuger adds, "Flamethrowers might even save some terrorists' lives because they would rather give up than be burned alive."



American terrorist: forget Hutton. He will not reveal what the US and UK authorities really don't want you to know: that radiation illnesses caused by uranium weapons are now common in Iraq
New Statesman, Jan 12, 2004 by John Pilger

According to a November 2003 study by the Uranium Medical Research Centre, witnesses living next to Baghdad airport reported a huge death toll following one morning's attack from aerial bursts of thermobaric and fuel air bombs. Since then, a vast area has been "landscaped" by US earth movers, and fenced.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FQP/is_4670 ...


Did the US start germ warfare? - United States
New Statesman, Oct 25, 1999 by Peter Pringle

I refer to Britain's and America's shameful past with "bio-weapons". All the charges about "rogue" states making these nasty poisons tends to steer us away from past deeds. No one mentions that, in 1944, Churchill wanted to finish off the Germans with anthrax bombs but was dissuaded by his generals; or that the Americans secretly gave immunity to Japanese second world war criminals who experimented with biological agents on Chinese prisoners - and used the results for developing US germ weapons. And the half-century-old charges by the Chinese that the United States actually used biological agents in the Korean war are repeatedly glossed over.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FQP/is_4459...

[undergroundpanther]

1. More...

The Independent August 10, 2003
US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

In-Depth Coverage

By Andrew Buncombe

American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive fireballs that obliterated several Iraqi positions.

The Pentagon denied using napalm at the time, but Marine pilots and their commanders have confirmed that they used an upgraded version of the weapon against dug-in positions. They said napalm, which has a distinctive smell, was used because of its psychological effect on an enemy.

A 1980 UN convention banned the use against civilian targets of napalm, a terrifying mixture of jet fuel and polystyrene that sticks to skin as it burns. The US, which did not sign the treaty, is one of the few countries that makes use of the weapon. It was employed notoriously against both civilian and military targets in the Vietnam war.



http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030810-napalm-iraq01.htm

[entanglement]

2. Very informative post, Thank you

[spooked]

3. It's MK-77 and yes there is Napalm in it

"Mr Ingram said 30 MK77 firebombs
were used by the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in the invasion
of Iraq between 31 March and 2 April 2003. ...

The MK77 bombs, an evolution of the napalm used in Vietnam and
Korea, carry kerosene-based jet fuel and polystyrene so that,
like napalm, the gel sticks to structures and to its victims."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0617-01.htm


US defends use of napalm-like firebombs
August 8, 2003 - 8:35AM

US forces used napalm-like MK-77 firebombs against Iraqi forces in their drive toward Baghdad last spring, a Pentagon official confirmed today, defending their use as legal and necessary.

"We napalmed both those (bridge) approaches," Colonel Randolph Alles, the commander of Marine Air Group 11, was quoted as telling the newspaper.

The MK-77 are filled with a different mix of incendiary chemicals than napalm but have the same terrifying effect, a penetrating fire that seeps into dug-in infantry positions.

"The generals love napalm," Alles was quoted as saying. "It has a big psychological effect."

The US military destroyed its stock of napalm bombs in 2001 because they were deemed an environmental hazard.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/08/08/1060145835413.html?oneclick=true


MK 77 Mod 4
MK77 750lb Napalm

The last remnants of America’s MK 77 Mod 4 napalm stockpile were stored at Fallbrook, and a state-of-the-art facility was built on base to help eliminate these weapons. The last filled napalm canister was destroyed in March 2001.

The MK-77 is a napalm canister munition. The MK77 familiy is an evolution of the incendiary bombs M-47 and M-74, used during the conflict in Korea and the war in Vietnam. Napalm is an incendiary mixture of benzene, gasoline and polystyrene. The Marine Corps dropped all of the approximately 500 MK-77s used in the Gulf War. They were delivered primarily by the AV-8 Harriers from relatively low altitudes. During Operation Desert Storm MK-77s were used to ignite the Iraqis oil-filled fire trenches, which were part of barriers constructed in southern Kuwait.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/mk77.htm

[dutchdemocrat]

4. Video up here

I have put the Italian documentary in Flash here:

http://www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/

and backed up the wmv video file to take some pressure off their servers. It's available as a link on the bottom of the page.

Cheers

DD

http://www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/

For the horrific slideshow click here: (NOT VERY COMFORTABLE TO VIEW)

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/slideshow.asp?gallery=1&id=2

[aquart]

5. We napalmed Iraq. Which never attacked us.

We're criminals. Even though we protested. It's our nation. And we didn't fight to keep them from seizing it.

And those of us who did fight, weren't smart enough to stay out of small planes.

[ClintonTyree]

6. We've become what we said we were fighting against........

"a brutal regime that gassed his own people"....how many times did we hear that phrase during the run up to this illegal, immoral war?
And now we're using tactics similar to or worse than the "brutal dictator" we replaced.
The end does not justify the means. How many war crimes are the bush administration guilty of? Too bad they'll never be tried in a World Court for them. None of them would ever see the light of day again.

[EFerrari]

15. I think it's the other way around.

We manufactured an enemy who resembles us.

I have to believe these criminals will be held to account. Have to.

[Shallah Kali]

26. Yes, after all Bush and Rumsfeld helped Saddam be all he could be

same with the Taliban. How much reduced would have saddam's power have been if he hadn't been supplied all those years by Regan's government? we will never know...

[EFerrari]

27. Exactly. n/t

[spooked]

14. Thanks so much for the links

These should be emailed to all majot news outlets

[xchrom]

7. the ONLY thing that pisses me off is

why, why do/did people think we would act differently?

there is nothing about the nature of these explosives and their use that is out of character with the u.s. and how it fights.

there are only hyperbolic claims to our virtue.

mostly held by conservatives -- and used by conservative leaders who don't give a damn about the common ''man'', merely use emotionalism to manipulate him.

[Moochy]

21. Great point, WE KNOW BETTER

We know better than to fall into those manipulative lies and frames of American virtue with regard to how we fight wars.

To pay them lip service only gives the lies power.
Deconstruct them, and shove the lies back in their face.

[kittenpants]

8. what a humanitarian...

"Although in Vietnam napalm was used irresponsibly on civilians, it is not inherently dangerous to them." Shuger adds, "Flamethrowers might even save some terrorists' lives because they would rather give up than be burned alive."

[auburngrad82]

9. This is why Bushco is against the International Criminal Court

Using Napalm and White Phosphorous on people, which is against the Geneva Convention.

Torturing captured Iraqis, which is against the Geneva Convention.

Bush and Cheney are as bad as Milosovic and the other dictators who had no regard for international law.

Actually, I'd like to see every member of PNAC tried in an international court and then sued for damages by Americans for what they've done to our economy, environment, and the public school system. Not to mention our country's reputation throughout the world.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. What makes you think white phosporus wasn't used on people?

I haven't watched the Italian report yet, but descriptions of it sound as if they have a good case. Why do you think they've got it wrong?

[niallmac]

12. I join my fellow pastafarian in asking the same question.nt

[Lerkfish]

13. I think they have it RIGHT. The condition of the bodies is

more consistent with white phophoros than napalm.

Have you ever seen white phosphorus ignite? I have. A chemistry teacher had a candybar-sized piece of white phoshporus stored under an oily substance. He cut off a slice roughly equal to a thin dime, and brought it out of the oil. He placed it on a plate. As the oil evaporated, water and air got to the phosphorus. It ignited and fumed for quite sometime.
he had to open all the windows.
It was a spectacular bright light display. Of course, we weren't being forced to breathe in dust from it into our lungs to burn from the inside out. I remember him saying:
I'm showing you this so you know that chemicals can be very, very dangerous. They are not to be handled lightly. He was wearing industrial strength oven mitts and handling the sliver with very long tongs. We were at least 20 feet away.

The idea that ANYONE would think this is an acceptable weapon is beyond inhuman.

[MADem]

19. It is not an acceptable weapon, but we are the only idiots who have not

signed off on that notion, unfortunately.

This article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417024.stm makes some very good points:

...Rai says this amounts to the illegal use of chemical arms, though such bombs are considered incendiary devices.

The US military admits using the weapon in Iraq to illuminate battlefields.

But US military officials deny using it in built-up areas. Washington is not a signatory of an international treaty restricting the use of white phosphorus devices. ...

[mtnester]

11. Tell me WHY protests like in South America do not follow this nutjob

in the WH EVERYWHERE he goes, including in this country?

Shame on them...for damn shame. Although I am not by any means a very religious person, someday, I firmly believe, that judgment will come, and this administration and its entire extended political family which help prop him up will be found LACKING and hurled from the gates/doorway/other.

[tuvor]

16. One year ago: "FALLUJAH NAPALMED " Sunday Mirror, Nov.8, 2004

(Posted in its entirety since it's no longer at its original link.)

FALLUJAH NAPALMED

www.sundaymirror.co.uk

Nov 28 2004

US uses banned weapon ..but was Tony Blair told?

By Paul Gilfeather Political Editor

US troops are secretly using outlawed napalm gas to wipe out remaining insurgents in and around Fallujah.

News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun governments around the world.

And last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh.

Outraged critics have also demanded that Mr Blair threatens to withdraw British troops from Iraq unless the US abandons one of the world's most reviled weapons. Halifax Labour MP Alice Mahon said: "I am calling on Mr Blair to make an emergency statement to the Commons to explain why this is happening. It begs the question: 'Did we know about this hideous weapon's use in Iraq?'"

Since the American assault on Fallujah there have been reports of "melted" corpses, which appeared to have napalm injuries.

Last August the US was forced to admit using the gas in Iraq.

A 1980 UN convention banned the use of napalm against civilians - after pictures of a naked girl victim fleeing in Vietnam shocked the world.

America, which didn't ratify the treaty, is the only country in the world still using the weapon.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=14920109%26method=full%26siteid=106694-name_page.html

[stop the bleeding]

17. This on the live feed right now on democracynow! 9:40 am EST n/t

[Toots]

18. Willy Pete is even worse than Napalm

If someone is saying it is only white phosphorous (willy pete) then they don't know what they are talking about. It is considered just as bad as gas and it's usage has been banned. At least during the Vietnam Conflict there was an excuse for napalm. It was triple canapy jungle that protected the enemy and without spraying poison which we also did (agent orange) the best way was to burn it quick. All napalm attacks I ever witnessed were in dense jungle. Willy Pete on the other hand was used to spot with and it was a banned substance over three decades ago. It would burn right through a person with no way of putting it out. The only way was to dig it out of your body because it would continue to burn even under water.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. Under water?

That surprises me, becasuse the safe way to store white phosphorus is under water.

In air, it catches fire at temperatures 10-15 degrees above room temperature. Because of its high reactivity with oxygen in air, white phosphorus is generally stored under water.

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/phs103.html

[MojoXN]

31. Once it's ignited, the oxidation process will pull the O2 out of H2O.

As long as it hasn't ignited, it IS safe to store under water (as long as it's DISTILLED, of course...)

MojoXN

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. Ahh, thanks, that makes sense (n/t)

[Moochy]

22. Its pretty damnned small distinction

.... when your skin is peeling off in sheets of fire ...

"Oh thank heavens it's WP and not napalm!"

[Junkdrawer]

23. DemocracyNow: Bodies melted, clothes left in place

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/08/1516227

Napalm doesn't work like that...

[oldlady]

24. White Phosphorus Victim (US)

A widely known speaker on the Christian circuit, Dave Roever was accidentally hit by phosphorus during Viet Nam. See his bio at Promise Keepers (photo after many, many surgeries) http://www.promisekeepers.org/confbios330

I remember that he exploded in flames on the operating table when some pockets of phosphorus embedded in his wounds contacted air.

Yeah, we know what it does & we use it anyway.

I know this is not exactly Napalm, but the effects are the same & handy to have on hand when talking to those who don't so easily see pain unless it's one of ours.

[Joe Chi Minh]

25. ......."or that the Americans secretly gave immunity to Japanese

second world war criminals who experimented with biological agents on Chinese prisoners".

I read that US prisoners of war were also used, specifically, in lethal cryogenic exeriments. A deal was concluded - I think by the CIA (or its predecessor) - with the CEO of a large pharmaceuticals or chemcials outfit, for his exoneration, in exchange for the research data obtained.

Of course, after the war, he continued to prosper as CEO of the organisation. Take some beating, don't they?

[Chicago Democrat]

28. Great Article and links - Recommended!

:)


du = Quality articles, smart people (argumentative, but smart)

[lebkuchen]

29. Correction: "New and improved Napalm"

That's how fucked up the US has become under the NeoNazis.

[MojoXN]

30. Only a minor semantic point...

But White Phosphorus and Napalm are two entirely different things. One (WP) is an elemental form of phosphorus that ignites on contact with air, the other (napalm) is a jellied petroleum that is nearly impossible to extinguish, and sticks to everything that it touches.

MojoXN

[Realityhack]

37. Dosn't seem very minor to me.

That was what I noticed right off the bat as well.

[northamericancitizen]

32. I posted this in an other thread and I want to share it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5298214

[northamericancitizen]

33. Sorry I linked to the whole thread.

I don't know how to link to my reply which is number 18

[Realityhack]

35. " As the ceasefire was being negotiated with Iraq..."

IIRC That incident (or a virtualy identical one) actualy occured after the Cease Fire.

[Realityhack]

36. I do NOT know the accuracy of this but... (link)

http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-index.htm

Basicaly a record reguarding US 'war crimes' agains Iraq (first war) in the style of a tribunal.

This is NOT an official doucument/war crimes proceeding etc. Just in that style.